Texas and Baylor vie for receiver talent... and the under dog is winning recruits

[Aikbach]

This is a thorough read that breaks down Briles' Xs and Os with nice precision.

http://www.footballstudyhall.com/20...all-art-briles-lache-seastrunk-spread-offense

 

[jterrell]

Stoops has had plenty of talent at OU and he only has the 1 NC. Both OU and UT have had the same talent level during the Stoops/Brown era. Save for the last 3 years or so. Texas has had very poor talent along their offensive line and at defensive tackle, which are the biggest reasons they have struggle mightily the last few years. That and having even an average QB over the last few seasons.

UT has not had poor talent along either line. the plethora of draftable guys they run through there is insane. many players are better pros out of that group than they were collegiately.

they have missed on QB and WR badly.

Mack needs to either step up or step out. UT is wasting a ridiculous recruiting advantage right now with the walking dead as a head coach.

Stoops suffered for his success losing key assts.
OU has been insanely inconsistent for a few seasons now but they recruit as well as anyone.

Snyder-- He knows what kinds of players he wants and goes and gets them out of JUCOs. He fills in around that with sleeper kids from Texas. He focuses on systems he can control games with and wins the special teams phase almost weekly.

 

[jterrell]

This is a thorough read that breaks down Briles' Xs and Os with nice precision.

http://www.footballstudyhall.com/20...all-art-briles-lache-seastrunk-spread-offense

Briles is a heck of a coach. The question is how soon does he take over for Mack?

 

[StylisticS]

Stoops has had plenty of talent at OU and he only has the 1 NC. Both OU and UT have had the same talent level during the Stoops/Brown era. Save for the last 3 years or so. Texas has had very poor talent along their offensive line and at defensive tackle, which are the biggest reasons they have struggle mightily the last few years. That and having even an average QB over the last few seasons.

I hate that I'm sticking up for stoops or OU here. But even though Stoops has 1 nc. He's played in three more championship games and has won the conference 7 times. And of course, he is 9-5 against Mack. Stoops resume is just better as if now.

 

[StylisticS]

I've posted this before, but I think Stoops is so overrated (by some)... He has his pick of talent just about like Mack, and he underachieves almost every year. At least the last several years.

Now Snyder... That guy is a genius. Probably the best coach in America, even over Saban.

The last three years no doubt. Not overall, though.

 

[joseephuss]

UT has not had poor talent along either line. the plethora of draftable guys they run through there is insane. many players are better pros out of that group than they were collegiately.

they have missed on QB and WR badly.

Nope they have been very poor along their offensive line the last few years. At one time they were producing some decent pro offensive lineman yearly, but over the last 3 seasons they have trotted out some terrible players. And I specifically said defensive tackle, not the entire defensive line. And again that is only over the last few seasons. They had a nice run there of putting guys in the NFL, but over the last 3 seasons they have had little talent at their DT spots.

I hate that I'm sticking up for stoops or OU here. But even though Stoops has 1 nc. He's played in three more championship games and has won the conference 7 times. And of course, he is 9-5 against Mack. Stoops resume is just better as if now.

Why are you sticking up for Stoops when I wasn't even putting him down. The thought that he would have more national championships if he coached at Texas is what I was commenting on. It was not about his overall success, but specifically about winning multiple national titles. OU is equal to Texas in talent level if not even a bit better and he hasn't been able to win multiple titles there. It wouldn't be any different at Texas. It is a tough thing to do.

 

[Aikbach]

Briles is a heck of a coach. The question is how soon does he take over for Mack?

i think at age 57 he is not in the mood to start over but to keep building a good thing.

 

[dart]

Recruits...and non trolls assuming their fifth screen name after multiple bans for the same strange obsession.

so according to your pale self - I can not dislike any team

amazing you claim to know who I am - psychic abilities
well well does Baylor teach that

I don't know you from adam and am glad

bye bye Mr White

could go on but you are not worth my time

 

[Zordon]

UT sports is in the dumps right now.

 

[Aikbach]

http://www.faniq.com/blog/Baylor-Football-Bears-steal-4star-WR-from-Longhorns-Blog-66740

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

UT needs to hit on a QB here soon. They have elite talent at the RB position right now. I have never been overly impressed with Mack. As mentioned earlier I think McDaniels would make a great HC for Texas.

 

[erod]

Drew Brees
Matt Stafford
Greg McElroy
Christian Ponder
Andy Dalton
Andrew Luck
Robert Griffin III
Johnny Manziel

Boy, that Mack Brown can sure evaluate a quarterback, eh? Let all these Texan kids walk away from the Longhorns.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I actually like Josh McDaniels but I do not think he would be a very good fit for Texas. He has no ties to recruiting in Texas (or really anywhere), he has spent a total of season as a Graduate Assistant at Michigan St. and nowhere else, ever. He jumped right from that to the NFL. He has no real NCAA experience. To put him in charge of one of the biggest programs in the entire NCAA, if not the biggest, would be a serious mistake IMO. Yeah, he knows football but as I have said earlier, the Texas job is about a LOT more then just Football.


No, I think the guys that would be good fits at Texas are Muschamp, Patterson, Kirby Smart, Charlie Strong, Chris Peterson and possibly a guy like Brady Hoke or Jerry Grey.

I think that any of those guys would be good fits at Texas. JMO

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Is Mack on the hot seat?

 

[joseephuss]

Drew Brees
Matt Stafford
Greg McElroy
Christian Ponder
Andy Dalton
Andrew Luck
Robert Griffin III
Johnny Manziel

Boy, that Mack Brown can sure evaluate a quarterback, eh? Let all these Texan kids walk away from the Longhorns.

Drew Brees began his college career at Purdue in 1997. Mack Brown became the Longhorns coach in 1998.

 

[muck4doo]

Baylor is serious business.

/Sic em Bears!

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

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One of the best offensive games ever...defense, not so much.:laugh2:

 

[Verdict]

This is not true. Over the past couple of seasons, Baylor has had better talent at the QB spot and that has shown on the Offensive Side of the ball. Also, Baylor is not losing players early to the NFL so they have not had to deal with substantial talent turning over year to year. If you want to say Briles is better at the actual coaching, I'm OK with that. However, outcoached by anyone is not accurate IMO. You put Briles or anybody in the same situation as Brown and they are going to struggle. That's just how it is.

Hey, as an OU fan, I'm glad Mack Brown is still coaching the Longhorns ..... but if you think Mack isn't getting out coached, then you are drinking the kool aid.

On a similar note, I think at one time Bob Stoops was an incredible college coach, but he has gotten a little bit complacent over the last few years and it is showing in a negative manner north of the Red River too. Ole Bobby has gotten out coached several times himself in the past few years too and it is starting to get old.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Drew Brees began his college career at Purdue in 1997. Mack Brown became the Longhorns coach in 1998.

Good point and to be fair,

When Stafford signed with Georgia out of Highland Park, there was no guarantee that he would have signed with UT. He's from Dunwoody Ga., his Dad is a graduate of Georgia so it's not like he was a lock for Texas. He only moved to Dallas in HS, he was not a Texan born and bread and had Stafford signed with Texas, it was not a sure thing that he would have started immediately. Remember, Young declared early so had he elected to stay, Stafford would not have started like he did at Georgia as a Freshman. He would also have had to have beaten out Colt and Snead. While Jevan Snead didn't pan out, he was certainly no slouch as a recruit at the time. He was a Two Time All State QB, a Prep All American, 23-2 as a starter. I don't believe that Stafford was every coming to Texas but whatever.


Same deal with McElroy, he was from California and moved to Texas. He originally committed to Tech and then changed to Bama late. He was not even close to the top QB recruit out of Texas that year. You can make an argument that Texas should have recruited him more but honestly, Snead was regarded as a much better prospect at the time and McElroy was nowhere near as good as Colt was in college so I think it's kind of full hardy for him. This is basically the same deal for Ponder. All those who say that Ponder would have come to Texas are not entirely accurate. Ponder's Dad played at FSU. Ponder was no lock for Texas. He was basically in the same situation as was Stafford.

Now, Chaise Daniels, maybe you could make a case there.

I don't think you can hold any of those guys up as examples of misses by Mack and the Staff. Now the rest, maybe there is a better case to be made there.

 

[joseephuss]

Good point and to be fair,

When Stafford signed with Georgia out of Highland Park, there was no guarantee that he would have signed with UT. He's from Dunwoody Ga., his Dad is a graduate of Georgia so it's not like he was a lock for Texas. He only moved to Dallas in HS, he was not a Texan born and bread and had Stafford signed with Texas, it was not a sure thing that he would have started immediately. Remember, Young declared early so had he elected to stay, Stafford would not have started like he did at Georgia as a Freshman. He would also have had to have beaten out Colt and Snead. While Jevan Snead didn't pan out, he was certainly no slouch as a recruit at the time. He was a Two Time All State QB, a Prep All American, 23-2 as a starter. I don't believe that Stafford was every coming to Texas but whatever.


Same deal with McElroy, he was from California and moved to Texas. He originally committed to Tech and then changed to Bama late. He was not even close to the top QB recruit out of Texas that year. You can make an argument that Texas should have recruited him more but honestly, Snead was regarded as a much better prospect at the time and McElroy was nowhere near as good as Colt was in college so I think it's kind of full hardy for him. This is basically the same deal for Ponder. All those who say that Ponder would have come to Texas are not entirely accurate. Ponder's Dad played at FSU. Ponder was no lock for Texas. He was basically in the same situation as was Stafford.

Now, Chaise Daniels, maybe you could make a case there.

I don't think you can hold any of those guys up as examples of misses by Mack and the Staff. Now the rest, maybe there is a better case to be made there.

I agree. Those guys were not likely to play at Texas. The rest could very well be poor decisions by the UT staff.

From what I understand, Gregg Davis was all over Garrett Gilbert early on in his highschool days. Because of this and knowing they still had Colt McCoy for another couple of years, they never even gave Andrew Luck a look in 2008 and were content to wait another year until Gilbert was graduating.