Texas vs Alabama discussion

[ABQCOWBOY]

I was stationed in both states for training but I'd have to say I enjoyed Texas better because it was warmer there.

Huh? Oh you meant the football game.

ROLL TIDE

Roll Memphis St.

You better sleep with one eye open for awhile.

:laugh2:

 

[MC KAos]

SEC >>>>> Big 12, period, end of discussion.

Texas has no running game and McCoy is no threat to throw the ball downfield.

Texas D will probably keep it close, but Alabama is eons better than Nebraska offensively too. I cant think of one player on Nebraska's offense that would start for Alabama's

I expect Bama to win by 10-14...probably something like 27-10 or 27-13

i guess you have never heard of Jordan Shipley, either that or you were making some kind of hillarious joke

 

[jimmy40]

A great deal is made of how good Bama's defense is and how poor Texas OL is. I don't know that I buy into that much. I agree that the Texas running game is not as good as I would like it to be but I don't know that I completely understand it. I definately agree that the Texas OL is not as good as in years past. I mean, they have lost some pretty good guys along the OL in the last two years. The real problem here, IMO, is perception. It's true that Bama is good but I don't believe for a second that they are better then Nebraska is. The two games that Colt and the Texas Offense really struggled in were the Nebraska game and the OU game. The two things that both of those defenses have in commen are their ability to bring pressure. The Nebraska D is 3rd in the Nation in Defensive Sacks. OU is 5th. Bama is 35th.

Bama is a good defense but they don't seem to be able to bring it as well as either Nebraska or OU. I am not sold on those who say that Bama's defense front 7 is better then Nebraska's. They may have more talent defensively but they don't have that dominating pass rusher, so far as I can tell. I think Dareus leads the team 6.5. You look at Nebraska and OU and you have Suh (12), Crick (9.5) and Turner (5.5). With OU, you have Beal (11). McCoy(5) and like 5 other guys with 3 or 4 sacks.

I don't know if Bama just doesn't play that kind of defensive scheme but they can just turn it on and do it or not but I know that if you can't pressure Colt, he's going to put up numbers.

I may be wrong but I'd think that OU and NEB get a lot more opportunities to rush the passer in the Big 12.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I may be wrong but I'd think that OU and NEB get a lot more opportunities to rush the passer in the Big 12.

Could be true but over the course of a season, if the highest sack total is 6, that tells me that they don't pressure much. It is my belief that teams usually do what they do best in big games. It's real hard to move away from what got you to the dance. You can but most teams usually don't because you are usually not as succesful if you try to recreate yourself. It may be that Bama can show something in the way of a pressure defense that they haven't shown in the past. I don't know, but I can definately say that they are not as good at it as a team who uses a pressure defense regularly.

 

[joseephuss]

I may be wrong but I'd think that OU and NEB get a lot more opportunities to rush the passer in the Big 12.

Alabama
407 pass attempts by opponents
31 sacks
1 sack every 14.1 drop backs

Oklahoma
415 pass attempts by opponents
37 sacks
1 sack every 12.2 drop backs

Nebraska
459 pass attempts by opponents
42 sacks
1 sack every 11.9 drop backs

Texas
428 pass attempts
40 sacks
1 sack every 11.7 drop backs

These stats are based only on pass attempts and sacks. They don't include when a QB drops back to pass and then decides to run or escapes pressure and gains positive yardage.

 

[dbair1967]

Based on what?

Pretty much anyone who observes. They put more players in the NFL. The talent is better from top to bottom. The defensive talent is far superior.

Then of course there's this thing with winning the national championships.

 

[dbair1967]

Could be true but over the course of a season, if the highest sack total is 6, that tells me that they don't pressure much. .

sacks do not = pressure

just because a team doesnt rack up alot of sacks doesnt mean they dont pressure the QB

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Pretty much anyone who observes. They put more players in the NFL. The talent is better from top to bottom. The defensive talent is far superior.

Then of course there's this thing with winning the national championships.

So, are we talking about this season or the history of the SEC? I don't think we can make a definative statement on this season, based on past history.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

sacks do not = pressure

just because a team doesnt rack up alot of sacks doesnt mean they dont pressure the QB

OK, fair enough. I don't believe that they are as good at pressuring the QB as are Nebraska or OU either.

 

[dbair1967]

OK, fair enough. I don't believe that they are as good at pressuring the QB as are Nebraska or OU either.

maybe Nebraska and OU appear to get more pressure because they play in an inferior conference?

 

[joseephuss]

maybe Nebraska and OU appear to get more pressure because they play in an inferior conference?

Many of the offenses in the SEC are atrocious. They can be painful to watch. South Carolina is the worst, but there are other bad ones. I am not saying the Big XII isn't bad this year, but the SEC's strength is not on the offensive side of the ball.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

maybe Nebraska and OU appear to get more pressure because they play in an inferior conference?

Or maybe it's because they actually do get more pressure. I'm open to the point of view. If you can substantiate what you claim, the SEC is hands down better, then present your facts.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm looking forward to this game it is starting to remind me of the Texas/USC game where Texas was told they don't stand a chance. Bama is a good team I have a lot of respect for them but Texas is not some slouch team. Texas has big time playmakers on both sides of the ball and can kill you with their special teams, I believe they are only second to VT when it comes to block kicks and punts. Texas has a lot of pride and all this talk about them not having a chance is only going to fuel this team.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Or maybe it's because they actually do get more pressure. I'm open to the point of view. If you can substantiate what you claim, the SEC is hands down better, then present your facts.

Facts?

FACTS?!

Facts have no place in a festival of Texas-bash!

 

[CATCH17]

I think the SEC is better than the Big 12 but Alabama vs Texas isn't about who plays in the better conference.

 

[CATCH17]

Many of the offenses in the SEC are atrocious. They can be painful to watch. South Carolina is the worst, but there are other bad ones. I am not saying the Big XII isn't bad this year, but the SEC's strength is not on the offensive side of the ball.

But when you talk about the big 12 you're looking at a conference that has been terrible on Defense.

The Defenses in the SEC aren't nearly as far behind the Offenses as the big 12 defenses are behind their offenses from a talent perspective.

 

[Doomsday101]

Looks like the early odds have Bama by 5 over Texas

In other BCS matchups

GT 4 over Iowa
TCU 7 over Boise State
Oregon 3.5 over OSU
Florida 10.5 over Cinn.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

But when you talk about the big 12 you're looking at a conference that has been terrible on Defense.

The Defenses in the SEC aren't nearly as far behind the Offenses as the big 12 defenses are behind their offenses from a talent perspective.

Based on What? The Big 12, as I clearly stated earlier, has 3 of the top 10 defenses in the nation.

Offensively, I think it's a real stretch to say that the defenses in the SEC are that much better. Offensively, only Florida and Arkansas put up numbers and really, only Florida scores. The offenses in the SEC are horrid to be honest. You can say it's because they all play such good defense but if that's the case, why can a team like Arkansas, who is not really all that great put up numbers and why does a team like Florida, who really is not all that great offensively also put up numbers?

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Looks like the early odds have Bama by 5 over Texas

In other BCS matchups

GT 4 over Iowa
TCU 7 over Boise State
Oregon 3.5 over OSU
Florida 10.5 over Cinn.

Those odds seem fair and realistic.

 

[Doomsday101]

Those odds seem fair and realistic.

Well of course I think Texas not only covers but wins their game and I would not be shocked to see Cinn give Florida a tough game. Cinn has 2 very fine QB's but of course their main man Pike leads the way for them