TG can help TO

[LaTunaNostra]

Compare away...Who should teach who?

NO one has said that Owens has not had the better career stats.


But his gifts have been God-given size and strength, and an amazing size-speed ratio.

He has never had to excel on precision route running to amass YAC, and has managed to get away with less than textbook ball handling because of his physical gifts.

One can only wonder how great he could have been had he had the 'right' teachers early, or had applied himself mentally as well as he has physically. Sometimes great physical gifts are not matched with exceptional playbook study, disciplined route running, or near perfect mechanics.

As another physically gifted athlete (superb agility), but a far smaller one, Glenn has HAD to work hard on fundamentals. His QBs invariably comment on his 'intelligent' game... NFL players T's size who think they can get away with playing stupid or sloppy don't last long.

As to who should be teaching whom - it isn't Terry Glenn the coaches have out on the field this week teaching "fundamentals'.

It's the OTHER 11 year veteran.:laugh2:

 

[khiladi]

Why is everything meant to by a stab at TO?

Whenever greats in professional sports go through some slide, what do they talk about?

Getting back to the FUNDAMENTALS... Basketball, Baseball, Football...

ALex Rodriguez spoke about it, and so do countless other great ones...

Why is it a big deal for TO?

We know you love Terry Glenn much more, but for crying out loud...

 

[LaTunaNostra]

On ESPN they said that BP has been having receivers and coaches teach TO the fundamentals this week.

Must be Sam Hurd out there returning the favor...certainly can't be the guy who Calvin Wakins (DMB Blog) just reported came off the practice field limping.

That's Terry for ya..he'll put his own freaking career in jeopardy to do what's 'right'.

 

[Doomsday101]

Why is everything meant to by a stab at TO?

Whenever greats in professional sports go through some slide, what do they talk about?

Getting back to the FUNDAMENTALS... Basketball, Baseball, Football...

ALex Rodriguez spoke about it, and so do countless other great ones...

Why is it a big deal for TO?

We know you love Terry Glenn much more, but for crying out loud...

Because some of us look at TO as classless, immature and a loud mouth. Just because he changed uniforms does not mean he is a different person. For the sake of this team I hope he can get it together and stop dropping balls in clutch situation

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

But his gifts have been God-given size and strength, and an amazing size-speed ratio.

I dont know about God-given... he had height but he was a scrawny kid I believe. He worked hard and created the body he has. The size-speed ratio I will give ya.

He has never had to excel on precision route running to amass YAC, and has managed to get away with less than textbook ball handling because of his physical gifts.

Is he that bad at route running? I am asking.. I dont know? As far as his catching... I dunno... there are many ways to swing a golf club incorrectly and yet still achieve GREAT results. I hear ya though...

One can only wonder how great he could have been had he had the 'right' teachers early, or had applied himself mentally as well as he has physically. Sometimes great physical gifts are not matched with exceptional playbook study, disciplined route running, or near perfect mechanics.

He had Rice. Probably learned alot. Probably ignore alot and did it his way too. As far as coaches teaching him... yeah he hasnt any real good ones... if he did probably didnt listen all that much.... like Frank says, "I did it my way"

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Why is everything meant to by a stab at TO?

Whenever greats in professional sports go through some slide, what do they talk about?

Getting back to the FUNDAMENTALS... Basketball, Baseball, Football...

ALex Rodriguez spoke about it, and so do countless other great ones...

Why is it a big deal for TO?

We know you love Terry Glenn much more, but for crying out loud...

I think if you read this thread more carefully, you won't see attacks on Owens..just props for our injured receiver who never but never blows his own horn.

Perhaps if a few more people weren't so hell bent on dissing TG, I wouldn't be so eager to 'defend him'.

And then again, maybe I would.

 

[khiladi]

I'm sure countless draft experts notices Vince Young's side motion when he throws the ball... those are just things you try and correct, but it's hard to break patterns that have been re-inforced through years of playing....

To works hard, it's not just 'God-given' size and speed... everybody talks about how his body is like a temple to him, and he trains like a beast... he does have flaws, for example precise route running.. and a lot of that has to do with his 'God-given' size and speed...working with a much bigger and heavier body, coupled with tremendous speed, means a tougher time controllin your routes..

 

[LaTunaNostra]

He had Rice. Probably learned alot. Probably ignore alot and did it his way too. As far as coaches teaching him... yeah he hasnt any real good ones... if he did probably didnt listen all that much.... like Frank says, "I did it my way"

It would be interesting to look at who Owens' position coaches have been over the years. Certainly a few Walsh Tree folks must have been amongst them, and they are usually among the best.

PS, With all due respect to Frank, now it's time to do it "Bill's Way".

 

[khiladi]

I think if you read this thread more carefully, you won't see attacks on Owens..just props for our injured receiver who never but never blows his own horn.

I'm sorry, but claiming one is primarily great because he possesses God-given size and strength and the other, though possessing SOME traits as God-given agility, has to work very hard and possess intelligence, to you is not an attack, but to me it clearly wreaks of taking a jab at TO, even if unintentionally..

it's great that TG doesn't prop his own horn, and he's a damn good receiver, but TG is not the same personality as TO... one is outspoken and brash, the other is to him self.. there are introverts and there are extroverts... I also see TG celebratin his TDs... I'm sure he likes attention too....

And who is 'hell-bent' on dissing TG? Nobody that I know of has been hell-bent on attacking TG? To me it seems to be, "I like TG much better, and he deserves more of the attention, but TO is taking his spotlight" type of post...

 

[LaTunaNostra]

I'm sure countless draft experts notices Vince Young's side motion when he throws the ball... those are just things you try and correct, but it's hard to break patterns that have been re-inforced through years of playing....

To works hard, it's not just 'God-given' size and speed... everybody talks about how his body is like a temple to him, and he trains like a beast... he does have flaws, for example precise route running.. and a lot of that has to do with his 'God-given' size and speed... your working with a huger body, coupled with greater speed to control your routes..

I'll give you the concentration on the body. And even ignore the exhibitionism angle.

Owens HAS prized his body, and understood the importance of top conditioning...if he hadn't, I doubt Bill would have agreed last spring to let him train away from the team.

Parcells always wants his players in his specially designed off-season conditioning program...the fact he (far as we know) acquiesced to Owens not conforming to the policy must signify he trusted Owens' workout ethic.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Some of these T.O. fans are as thin-skinned as Roy...

 

[khiladi]

And some of these anti-TO people are as whiny as the media... they just can't let things go, talking about penalties that had absolutey no effect on the game... get over it.. TO loves attention... he likes to celebrate... he's hot-tempered, but he plays the game damn well, despite his 'flaws', and his lack of being good in 'fundamentals', whatever that means... he's with the Dallas Cowboys, and he's not going anywhere...

it's like they are waiting for **** to happen so they can say, "I told you so..." and they complain about TO's ego...

people are just as egotistical as TO... they want him to screw up so they can win a damn argument, and prove their opinions are right about a man... they would rather have him fail in Dallas than him succeed... these are the type of people whom a business fires first, before they fire the one whom everybody is complaining about...

 

[Doomsday101]

Some of these T.O. fans are as thin-skinned as Roy...

I admit I did not like him at SF or Philly and just because he is wearing our uniform does not change the way I feel. All the things I disliked about him then are the same things I dislike about him today. As for his ability I know he can be a great asset to the team and can make big plays, right now I'm not seeing many big plays out of him which makes it more frustrating having to tolerate him and not get the big plays from him. As the Cowboys said in the 90’s if you’re going to talk the talk you better walk the walk and right now I hear a lot more talking than walking.

 

[Doomsday101]

And some of these anti-TO people are as whiny as the media... they just can't let things go, talking about penalties that had absolutey no effect on the game... get over it.. TO loves attention... he likes to celebrate... he's hot-tempered, but he plays the game damn well, despite his 'flaws', and his lack of being good in 'fundamentals', whatever that means... he's with the Dallas Cowboys, and he's not going anywhere...

it's like they are waiting for **** to happen so they can say, "I told you so..." and they complain about TO's ego...

these are the type of people whom a business fires first, before they fire the one whom everybody is complaining about...

I'm not a hypocrite like many TO fans who bashed him in Philly and SF, I did not like him then I don't like him now. He is here to be a playmaker that is why he is getting the bucks and right now he is not filling the role as a big time player.

 

[khiladi]

Hell yeah I bashed him in Philly and SF... I also did not like Deion until he came to Dallas.. but I sure as hell didn't bash him for his 'moral conduct'...

I hated him because he was NOT A Dallas Cowboy, and those teams, were our main threats to the Super Bowl.. it was easy to hate him, because he was a huge threat....

if some no-namer on Philly and SF got put in jail, nobody would care... but if it happened to TO, than all of the sudden the morality card comes into play... the only reason people hate on TO so much is because he is that DAMN GOOD AT FOOTBALL...

that's HYPOCRISY if I have ever seen it...

this moral high horse is pathetic, especially when it involves sports, where people do worse, such as carry guns, snort cocaine, pay for hookers, get charged with indecent exposure for committing lewd acts on ships, cut their fellow playes with scissors, and on and on and on, and than try and say that **** is not a distraction, but sleeping in the end-zone is an egotistical act and proves that TO is bi-polar or depressed...

I guess Ben Roethlisberger's motorcycle accident was not a distraction to the team, because that **** happened OFF the field...

 

[LaTunaNostra]

I'm sorry, but claiming one is primarily great because he possesses God-given size and strength and the other, though possesses SOME God-given strength as agility, works very hard and possesses intelligence, to you is not an attck, but to me it clearly wreaks of taking a jab at TO, even if unintentionally..

That is exactly as I see it.

Owens has done LESS with MORE. He could have been the best. Better than Rice, even, but he failed to correct the flaws that could have immortalized him.

Sorry if you see that as a 'jab'..I meant it as a flat-out indictment of the insufficient utilization of exceptional physical gifts...the best in fact, I have ever seen at the position.

it's great that TG doesn't prop his own horn, and he's a damn good receiver, but TG is not the same personality as TO... one is outspoken and brash, the other is to him self.. there are introverts and there are extroverts... I also see TG celebratin his TDs also... I'm sure he likes attention too....

I know TG 'likes attention'...they all do. However, when you have a player in the prima donna NFL wideout position who says he gets his satisfaction from 'seeing the happy faces of my team-mates after a win', you have to realize you've got an exceptional human being on your team.

Now I know the "Anti-TO" is the flat out opposite of Owens, or they wouldn't be calling him 'the anti-to".

I just would like to see Terry's wonderful influence rub off a little, just to know the self-sacrifice hasn't been a waste, as it apparently was with AB. I don't expect Owens to begin displaying anything that remotely resembles 'humility' (a trait I happen to admire), but I will be very happy to see him stop boasting, whining, and egregiously grand-standing...because it will mean he really has changed, as he says he is trying to do.

it seems "I like TG much better, and he deserves more of the attention, but TO is taking his spotlight" type of post...

ANYONE could take the spotlight from TG..he's just that self-effacing and humble an individual.

But I'm not ..so will continue to hype my favorite Cowboy as much as his fine performance and dedication to his team warrant...especially now that he's injured and HURTING... he's getting my best respect and cheer-leading.

24/7, so if it strikes you as anti-to when I laud the "Anti-TO" feel free to hit the ignore button.

I'm not about to stop.

 

[Doomsday101]

Hell yeah I bashed him in Philly and SF... I also did not like Deion until he came to Dallas.. but I sure as hell didn't bash him for his 'moral conduct'...

I hated him because he was NOT A Dallas Cowboy, and those teams, were our main threats to the Super Bowl.. it was easy to hate him, because he was a huge threat....

if some no-namer on Philly and SF got put in jail, nobody would care... but if it happened to TO, than all of the sudden the morality card comes into play...

that's HYPOCRISY if I have ever seen it... this moral high horse is pathetic...

This has nothing to do with morals, he is not making big plays he is dropping them he did it aginst the skins and the giants, his action in the endzone I did not like and it cost the team and just because the skins did not score off of it makes it no less stupid. TO needs to get his act together and start earning his damn pay check instead of talking about getting the popcorn ready. He has not done anything to help make this team better.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Originally Posted by khiladi
I'm sorry, but claiming one is primarily great because he possesses God-given size and strength and the other, though possesses SOME God-given strength as agility, works very hard and possesses intelligence, to you is not an attck, but to me it clearly wreaks of taking a jab at TO, even if unintentionally..

That is exactly as I see it.

Owens has done LESS with MORE. He could have been the best. Better than Rice, even, but he failed to correct the flaws that could have immortalized him.

Sorry if you see that as a 'jab'..I meant it as a flat-out indictment of the insufficient utilization of exceptional physical gifts...the best in fact, I have ever seen at the position.

I see what you are saying LaTuna and agree... he could have been better BUT... he has done HIS part when with team for the most part(I know we are waiting for that to happen in Dallas, it will in 2nd half I believe) - he went to Philly and did his part... they should have won SB... so while he could have done more for his career... he has done enough to win the SB... his QB yuked it away

 

[khiladi]

This has nothing to do with morals, he is not making big plays he is dropping them he did it aginst the skins and the giants, his action in the endzone I did not like and it cost the team and just because the skins did not score off of it makes it no less stupid. TO needs to get his act together and start earning his damn pay check instead of talking about getting the popcorn ready. He has not done anything to help make this team better.

Your right IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MORALS..

so people need to stop psycho-analyzing why he dances in the end-zone, talking about how it evidences his 'selfish-ness' and greed.. and than in the next post, say it has nothing to do with morals, BUT WINNING and earning the PAY-CHECK..

I know TG 'likes attention'...they all do. However, when you have a player in the prima donna NFL wideout position who says he gets his satisfaction from 'seeing the happy faces of my team-mates after a win', you have to realize you've got an exceptional human being on your team.

I'm sure TO also likes to celebrate with his SMILING friends.. I'm sure we all do...

but than again, I thought it was just about EARNING THE PAY-CHECK...

And we ARE CLEARLY better with TO... our offensive numbers have increased dramatically from last year... but I guess that's all about Romo and Glenn combination, right?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

And we ARE CLEARLY better with TO... our offensive numbers have increased dramatically from last year... but I guess that's all about Romo and Glenn combination, right?

Best in the Red Zone
25 TD already - 36 TD's all of last year.

Yup we are better!