Thank You, Bill Parcells

[Manster68]

There is a time and a place for everything.

There wass a time when Dallas had three consecutive 5-11 seasons.

There was a time when the Cowboys lost to Houston in their inaugural game in 2002.

There was a time when the Cowboys showed little to no discipline in almost every game they played.

Ther was a time when the Cowboys had horrendous draft after horrendous draft. Mainly 1994 through 2001 with the exception of a few successes.

After the 2002 season, the time had come for Jerry to bring in Bill Parcells.

Despite not winning a playoff game, Parcell did much to turn this franchise around.

1. DISCIPLINE - It was discipline that prepared the Cowboys to go into Giants Stadium in 2003 come away with that overtime win.

It was DISCIPLINE that Zuriel Smith let that kickoff roll out-of-bounds with only 11-seconds left.

DISCIPLINE also played into the Carter to Bryant reception to set up the game tying field goal.

It was DISCIPLINE that gave Randall Williams the opportunity to score a kickoff return TD in 3 or 4 seconds against Philly.

It was DISCIPLINE that let Carter hit Galloway on that blitz-beating reception to set up the go-ahead field goal.

It was DISCIPLINE that turned around a three-time 5-11 loser into a playoff team. Maybe one of the best coaching jobs in history.

2. DRAFT - Even though some fo the drafts could have been better when Parcells was here, the most important gift Parcells gave the Cowboys was to teach the Player Personnel Department what to look for in acquiring talent.

Hence, the Cowboys have NOT had a truly horrendous draft since 2001 (Quincy Carter, Tony Dixon, etc.).

How many 2nd day picks (and undrafted free agents) have contributed for the Cowboys since Parcells arrived?

Crayton
Barber
James
Hurd
Austin
McBriar
Choice
Ratliff
Buehler
Hatcher
Romo
Ball

Now how many 2nd day draft picks were there between 1994 to 2001?

NONE!
Well, the best was Mario Edwards (whom I do not think is a s good as Alan Ball)


Bottom Line: There was a time and a place for Bill Parcells here in Dallas. I am very grateful for his service here.

 

[J-DOG]

Reminds me alot of 4th & 1 vs Minnesota. Having our way with the Minny defense at the time...definitely on the fringe of FG range...and Wade opts for the FG try. Big miss...we could have 'punched the gorilla in the mouth' their also. For me, that was the turning point in the Minnesota loss...so we're still too conservative.

Either scenario, you make it you're a genius, miss it and you're too conservative for 'today's NFL' as all the youngens like to say.

And I hope all of our coaches play not to lose. Playing to lose just won't cut.

I agree with your first paragraph.
Problem I had with Parcells was not just that playoff loss to the Seahawks...that was just one example that I remembered off the top of my head. We called a timeout and he ran the most predictable play after the timeout...that is the very version of conservative.
The Viking game was another example of bad strategy by kicking the field goal.
Garrett needs to re-evaluate our short yardage offense package. Our offensive line is not the dominant line that played in the 90's. We need to be less predictable.
Playing not to lose will only get you so far. To play with the big dogs you can't act like a pup.
The Saints showed everyone that agressive strategy can give you an edge.

 

[Draegerman]

There is a time and a place for everything.

There wass a time when Dallas had three consecutive 5-11 seasons.

There was a time when the Cowboys lost to Houston in their inaugural game in 2002.

There was a time when the Cowboys showed little to no discipline in almost every game they played.

Ther was a time when the Cowboys had horrendous draft after horrendous draft. Mainly 1994 through 2001 with the exception of a few successes.

After the 2002 season, the time had come for Jerry to bring in Bill Parcells.

Despite not winning a playoff game, Parcell did much to turn this franchise around.

1. DISCIPLINE - It was discipline that prepared the Cowboys to go into Giants Stadium in 2003 come away with that overtime win.

It was DISCIPLINE that Zuriel Smith let that kickoff roll out-of-bounds with only 11-seconds left.

DISCIPLINE also played into the Carter to Bryant reception to set up the game tying field goal.

It was DISCIPLINE that gave Randall Williams the opportunity to score a kickoff return TD in 3 or 4 seconds against Philly.

It was DISCIPLINE that let Carter hit Galloway on that blitz-beating reception to set up the go-ahead field goal.

It was DISCIPLINE that turned around a three-time 5-11 loser into a playoff team. Maybe one of the best coaching jobs in history.

2. DRAFT - Even though some fo the drafts could have been better when Parcells was here, the most important gift Parcells gave the Cowboys was to teach the Player Personnel Department what to look for in acquiring talent.

Hence, the Cowboys have NOT had a truly horrendous draft since 2001 (Quincy Carter, Tony Dixon, etc.).

How many 2nd day picks (and undrafted free agents) have contributed for the Cowboys since Parcells arrived?

Crayton
Barber
James
Hurd
Austin
McBriar
Choice
Ratliff
Buehler
Hatcher
Romo
Ball

Now how many 2nd day draft picks were there between 1994 to 2001?

NONE!
Well, the best was Mario Edwards (whom I do not think is a s good as Alan Ball)


Bottom Line: There was a time and a place for Bill Parcells here in Dallas. I am very grateful for his service here.

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[CowboyMcCoy]

Of course you realize that I was defending you in my own awkward way. We've had differences in the past but I agree completely with your initial post on this subject.

Except the part about Wade.

I realized that, but I was giving you a hard time for your style.

 

[JustDezIt]

He definitely turned things around. Before he came our team was a joke.

i agree. not sure the exact reasons but he def reminded me what it felt like to be competitive again.

 

[casmith07]

Me three.

oops, wait a second...

I just realized that it would be pretty stupid of me to say that I don't really care if I took the time to read what CowboyMcCoy wrote and then posted my own opinion about it. But yet...why should I care about the impact Parcells had on this team? I'm only about the present...I couldn't care any less about the past and how it shaped/molded this team to prepare them for a Super Bowl run now.

Hmmm...I just re-read that last statement I wrote and realized that I was being stupid again. Nah, 'stupid' doesn't sound quite right, especially with all the effort I'm putting into this post. I think 'idiot' works better. Yea, but it should have more adjectives to let others know how ill I think of my own post. How 'bout 'blithering idiot'? Yea, that sounds better but it's still missing something.



Wait! Now I know...(ahem)...For me to have taken the time to read CowboyMcCoy's post and then agree with the others about not caring about it and forgetting about how it shaped our team by writing my own post, would make me a stupid, blithering idiot.


Yea, that's the ticket.

Wait! I'll write a painfully thought out witty response in the hopes of putting down fellow Zoners! That will earn me cool points!

Lest you forget, this is the internet, and to answer your question preemptively, no, I still do not care.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Wait! I'll write a painfully thought out witty response in the hopes of putting down fellow Zoners! That will earn me cool points!

Lest you forget, this is the internet, and to answer your question preemptively, no, I still do not care.

Preemptive because he never asked you a question, right?

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

BP was just about burned out when he came here.
He was great in 2003 getting that collection to 10 wins.

That certainly was impressive. But we certainly benefited from an easy schedule. And we did collapse down the stretch. I was real impressed with the win vs Carolina that year.

By the way no coach in the history of the NFL took four separate teams from total losers to the playoffs.

While taking four losing franchises to the playoffs is impressive, the reason why no one else has ever done it could largely be attributed to the fact that no other coach routinely "quit" after such short tenures.

Name me another coach who would stick with a team for 3-4 years before "retiring", only to come out of retirement? I can't think of any off the top of my head.

He will undoubtedly be a first ballot HOF guy.

And his Induction speech should consist of four words: "Thank you Bill Belichick!"

So idiots calling him over rated just show how stupid they are.

He's overrated. It's my opinion. I don't think a difference in opinion qualifies as someone being stupid. We'll agree to disagree.

 

[Doomsday101]

I was glad Parcells was here I thought he was the right man at the right time for the Cowboys. Granted in the end we did not achive everything fans or Parcells wanted to accomplish but we are better off because Parcells was here. I have never had an issue giving Parcells credit for what he did to improve this team just as I have no issue giving Wade the credit for the things he has done to improve this team and hopefully he can get this team into a championship game

 

[zrinkill]

When Parcells brother died ...... it was over for him as a head coach.

He got real old real fast.

Its a shame ...... we could have really done things with the old Bill Parcells.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

I was glad Parcells was here I thought he was the right man at the right time for the Cowboys. Granted in the end we did not achive everything fans or Parcells wanted to accomplish but we are better off because Parcells was here. I have never had an issue giving Parcells credit for what he did to improve this team just as I have no issue giving Wade the credit for the things he has done to improve this team and hopefully he can get this team into a championship game

I can agree with this. I know when Parcells was introduced, I was incredibly excited. His influence was certainly needed in this franchise. He gave the organization some direction. And it seems as though Jerry learned a lot from Bill.

My disdain for Parcells stems largely from my frustration with his (IMO) poor coaching and stubborness, both to his antiquated schemes and "his guys." Also, I get tired of those fans who give credit entirely to Parcells for everything, as though he had no faults.

IMO, that was far from the truth. He made several gaffs on draft day that are equally as bad as some of Jerry's drafts from the late 90s/early 2000s. And his gameday coaching was worse than Campo's at times.

Overall, are we a better franchise now that Parcells came and went? Yes. But there are many contributing factors to that. I think the increased influence of Stephen Jones and scouting directer Tom Ciscowski (sp?) are other contributing factors. Just as finally having an agressive and innovative defensive mind like Wade Phillips plays a key role.

 

[Doomsday101]

I can agree with this. I know when Parcells was introduced, I was incredibly excited. His influence was certainly needed in this franchise. He gave the organization some direction. And it seems as though Jerry learned a lot from Bill.

My disdain for Parcells stems largely from my frustration with his (IMO) poor coaching and stubborness, both to his antiquated schemes and "his guys." Also, I get tired of those fans who give credit entirely to Parcells for everything, as though he had no faults.

IMO, that was far from the truth. He made several gaffs on draft day that are equally as bad as some of Jerry's drafts from the late 90s/early 2000s. And his gameday coaching was worse than Campo's at times.

Overall, are we a better franchise now that Parcells came and went? Yes. But there are many contributing factors to that. I think the increased influence of Stephen Jones and scouting directer Tom Ciscowski (sp?) are other contributing factors. Just as finally having an agressive and innovative defensive mind like Wade Phillips plays a key role.

I agree Parcells was not perfect and never has been perfect. I firmly believe to win it takes more than 1 man it takes a franchise and all those involved from the coaches, scouts, GM and Owner it is not 1 man.

Jerry had to change how things would be done and did for anyone to say that was only Parcells is kidding themselves nothing changes unless Jerry allows that change to happen.

The scouting department became much more involved in the process of bring talent on the team both in terms of draft picks but FA players as well and yes BP had a voice in that as does our current HC.

I will say that the respect Parcells commands was a major factor in the turnaround for Jerry Jones and this franchise

 

[STSINAZ]

thank quincy carters drug habit for romo still being here because if not romo was getting the ax that year..we all knew it...so hats off to jerry for his miscue in drafting a drug addict QB who threw wobblers...

 

[Doomsday101]

thank quincy carters drug habit for romo still being here because if not romo was getting the ax that year..we all knew it...so hats off to jerry for his miscue in drafting a drug addict QB who threw wobblers...

I agree the selection of Carter did not work out for us and anytime you select a QB in the draft that does not pan out it sets a club back. You look at the time and effort that was expended on that QB so when it fails your back to point A.

 

[Hostile]

thank quincy carters drug habit for romo still being here because if not romo was getting the ax that year..we all knew it...so hats off to jerry for his miscue in drafting a drug addict QB who threw wobblers...

I knew Quincy was gone in March of 2004, 5 months before he was axed. So I have never doubted Romo was going to be here. Not necessarily as our future starter, because I admittedly thought that was Henson.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

I knew Quincy was gone in March of 2004, 5 months before he was axed.

That is interesting. I remember the day he was cut, hearing it on my car radio during an ESPN SportsCenter update, and not being entirely suprised. I didn't "see it coming", yet I wasn't shocked.

So I have never doubted Romo was going to be here. Not necessarily as our future starter, because I admittedly thought that was Henson.

I think almost everyone was on Henson back then. I remember hearing Tom Brady and Ron Wolf speak very highly of Henson.

 

[DFWJC]

I think Big Bill and his staff did help right the ship around here somewhat. I also happen to think that if Wade had been brought in under the same circumstances, he and his staff would have righted the ship too. As far as drafting and player development go, they both seemed to have done much better than average,imo.

Even though Parcells personally is not responsible for keeping Romo and Austin around (nor drafting Ware for that matter) it did happen under his watch so he gets the credit. A HC should get credit and blame for what goes on under his watch b/c he usually hired or retained the staff (current OC is the exception).

Austin and Romo (and Ware) have really blossomed under Wade's staff, so they can even take some credit. And then, of course, Wade's group have drafted fairly well so too (see Jenkins, Felix, Spencer, etc). The Roy deal (all Jerry but Wade probably did not oppose) has haunted Wade's group some as far a draft picks and salary cap go....but that story is not over yet.

 

[burmafrd]

what I credit BP most for outside of teaching Jerruh how to run an organization so that its consistent is protecting ROmo long enough for him to grow into an NFL QB. He kept Romo around during the whole Quincy/Henson/Hutchinson mess.

LOL at some people's shots at BP's coaching which was still the best we had had since Jimmy left. ANd ANYONE saying that his drafting was as bad as Jerruh 1994-2002 is a total idiot.


Wade could have done as well, eh? Kind of interesting since Wade NEVER has done it and BP did it 4 times. That is actually kind of funny to even try and say it.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

LOL at some people's shots at BP's coaching which was still the best we had had since Jimmy left.

He did well to get the team prepared, but his game day coaching and adjustments was terrible.

Was it better than Campo, Switzer, or Gailey? Perhaps. But thats like telling a girl she's prettier than Roseanne Barr, Susan Boyle, and Whoopie Goldberg.

ANd ANYONE saying that his drafting was as bad as Jerruh 1994-2002 is a total idiot.

You seem to be high on the insults. Does it make you feel better?

And yeah, I'd say that 2006 draft is almost as bad as some of Jerruhs drafts during that time period.

Edit: I said almost. That 2006 draft is just an example. Carpenter in the 1st and Fasano in the 2nd was bad. Just as passing on Steven Jackson in 04, or taking back to back garbage offensive lineman in... 05? Jacob Rogers was a horrible pick.

Wade could have done as well, eh? Kind of interesting since Wade NEVER has done it and BP did it 4 times. That is actually kind of funny to even try and say it.

Wade has taken the Bills, Saints, Cowboys, and Denver to the playoffs.

He's never won the Super Bowl though. Of course, he's never had the luxury of having Bill Belichick on his staff either.

 

[DFWJC]

Wade could have done as well, eh? Kind of interesting since Wade NEVER has done it and BP did it 4 times. That is actually kind of funny to even try and say it.

Fair enough. It's only hypothetical and it is of no importance to me personally. But really, the Cowboys had drafted so poorly before Bill got there--in part due to giving up two years of early 1st rounders for Galloway, that many coaches coming in when Bill came in would have done better. Just look at those drafts from 99-01...any team would be in a hole after that coupled with an aging roster. Bill walked into a loaded draft with the Cowboys having high picks in every round...so yes I do think Wade and staff (under these circumstances) would have rebuilt this team as well. Just looking at how they both drafted and how the players were developed tells me under this circumstance they both would have done about the same. Bill started the rebuilding--and had 4 full years to do it--and Wade has continued it.

This was no potshot at Bill. Maybe others are doing it but that's not my intention. It's just good to recall the fact that it was not all perfect and that the 2003 draft was pretty sweet given the loaded draft and high slots available. But look at what they did in 2004: 1st round traded down vs taking Steven Jackson, took Julius Jones in Rd 2 (passed on Bob Sanders), took Jacob Rodgers (passing on Darnel Dockett)also in Rd 2, took Steven Peterman in Rd3 (passing on Matt Schuab), took Bruce Thornton in Rd 4 (passing on Jared Allen), took Sean Ryan in Rd 5.....good grief, that had to be some of the worst drafting in Cowboy history that year given the picks available to use...lol. So nobody is perfect.

Two guys were at least intrigued by Romo after the NFL combines--Mike Shanahan and Sean Payton. But as we recall, nobody liked him enough to draft him. Big Bill trusted Payton and brought him in and then the Quincey fallout was the only reason we kept him. The rest is history and I credit that staff for staying with Tony. I credit both staffs for Austin--who was with BP for one year and WP for 2 before breaking out this, his 4th year.