The Amazing Spider-Man

[HTownCowboysFan]

I think you are going to see more reboots, instead of a series going on and on and on 'til it dies. BATMAN BEGINS -- which is a GREAT film, sorry -- showed that a franchise can be rebooted successfully. TAS-M is a direct result of BEGINS' success. Honestly, I'm in favor of this "Trilogy" approach where a good filmmaker with passion for the source material can tell a story without having to worry about what came before or what will come after (ex. Chris Nolan's DARK KNIGHT Trilogy). Hell, Batman on film is going to be rebooted in a few years with a new creative team (although Nolan and his wife, Emma Thomas, are going to produce ala MAN OF STEEL).

And BATMAN RETURNS sucks.

 

[StevenOtero]

I think you are going to see more reboots, instead of a series going on and on and on 'til it dies. BATMAN BEGINS -- which is a GREAT film, sorry -- showed that a franchise can be rebooted successfully. TAS-M is a direct result of BEGINS' success. Honestly, I'm in favor of this "Trilogy" approach where a good filmmaker with passion for the source material can tell a story without having to worry about what came before or what will come after (ex. Chris Nolan's DARK KNIGHT Trilogy). Hell, Batman on film is going to be rebooted in a few years with a new creative team (although Nolan and his wife, Emma Thomas, are going to produce ala MAN OF STEEL).

And BATMAN RETURNS sucks.

 

[Yeagermeister]

I think you are going to see more reboots, instead of a series going on and on and on 'til it dies. BATMAN BEGINS -- which is a GREAT film, sorry -- showed that a franchise can be rebooted successfully. TAS-M is a direct result of BEGINS' success. Honestly, I'm in favor of this "Trilogy" approach where a good filmmaker with passion for the source material can tell a story without having to worry about what came before or what will come after (ex. Chris Nolan's DARK KNIGHT Trilogy). Hell, Batman on film is going to be rebooted in a few years with a new creative team (although Nolan and his wife, Emma Thomas, are going to produce ala MAN OF STEEL).

And BATMAN RETURNS sucks.

IMO Begins sucked but since you are an obvious fan boy we'll agree to disagree.

 

[Reality]

I think you are going to see more reboots, instead of a series going on and on and on 'til it dies. BATMAN BEGINS -- which is a GREAT film, sorry -- showed that a franchise can be rebooted successfully. TAS-M is a direct result of BEGINS' success. Honestly, I'm in favor of this "Trilogy" approach where a good filmmaker with passion for the source material can tell a story without having to worry about what came before or what will come after (ex. Chris Nolan's DARK KNIGHT Trilogy). Hell, Batman on film is going to be rebooted in a few years with a new creative team (although Nolan and his wife, Emma Thomas, are going to produce ala MAN OF STEEL).

And BATMAN RETURNS sucks.

It is one thing to reboot a poor performing or just outright bad previous movie. It is another to take a successful movie, especially a recent trilogy, and try to reboot it.

The most recent Batman movies have been great and are easily the best ever made in that line. But in 5 years, I don't want to see yet another reboot of it either. Either continue the existing line of the movies or at least wait 10+ years from the last movie before attempting to reboot the franchise if its movies were highly successful.

#reality

 

[StevenOtero]

IMO Begins sucked but since you are an obvious fan boy we'll agree to disagree.

In your opinion please enlighten us as to why Begins sucked.

 

[Yeagermeister]

In your opinion please enlighten us as to why Begins sucked.

I don't think Christian Bale is a good Batman. They whole voice change is stupid. The Sandman? They couldn't come up with a better villian? The batmobile is terrible.

but again those are MY opinions and if yours differ then more power to you

 

[DallasEast]

I think it comes down to having respect for both the subject matter and the audience.

When you do that, you have success. When you don't, you don't.

Agreed, but...

Look at Batman in particular. Which films did better? The ones that took things more or less seriously?

If one looked at it solely from the box office perspective, Burton's original was taken more seriously in terms of moviegoers' interest:

http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/records/100million.php

However, Burton did not taken the character seriously. At best, Batman can be defined as a gothic drama-comedy. Granted, it was a commercial success and deservedly so.

Yet, comparisons between his original and Nolan's original in terms of serious application of the character onto the big screen are weak. Nolan exorcised all the comedic nonsense (like that 60's television you know what) from the Gotham Knight and infused his rendition from the hearts of Bob Kane and Frank Miller. What audiences received for their tickets was the Batman. No frills. No falsehoods. No compromises (minus the cityscape in the first movie, that is).

So, by comparison, the first two of the respective movie franchises were contradictions of each other. The Dark Knight does fully support your assertion though. Then again, no other Batman film (in my opinion) which came before Begins compares with it in the slightest.

Look at the incredible success the Avengers has, it's because the people responsible respected both the subject matter and the audience.

And they were handsomely rewarded.

I agree with that as well. It is what I hope for most with The Amazing Spider-Man.

 

[StevenOtero]

I don't think Christian Bale is a good Batman. They whole voice change is stupid. The Sandman? They couldn't come up with a better villian? The batmobile is terrible.

but again those are MY opinions and if yours differ then more power to you

The Sandman? huh? Are you confusing Spider-Man 3 with Batman Begins??

Ra's Al Ghul is the main villain of Batman Begins, Scarecrow is in there too.

Either way, you have your opinion just like everyone else in the world. Our opinions sure as heck don't have to match.

 

[DallasEast]

I don't think Christian Bale is a good Batman. They whole voice change is stupid. The Sandman? They couldn't come up with a better villian? The batmobile is terrible.

but again those are MY opinions and if yours differ then more power to you

Sandman? Or Scarecrow? Spidey 3 had The Sandman (unfortunately ).

 

[StevenOtero]

Sandman? Or Scarecrow? Spidey 3 had The Sandman (unfortunately ).

Yeah, I knew what he meant...but for him to rattle off the Scarecrow as the villain....

Ra's al Ghul was the main villain of that movie.

 

[StevenOtero]

Anyway back on topic:

Rotten Tomatoes currently has it at 76%

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_amazing_spider_man/

 

[Yeagermeister]

The Sandman? huh? Are you confusing Spider-Man 3 with Batman Begins??

Ra's Al Ghul is the main villain of Batman Begins, Scarecrow is in there too.

Either way, you have your opinion just like everyone else in the world. Our opinions sure as heck don't have to match.

Yeah I meant Scarecrow but the Sandman was terrible also. :laugh1:

 

[DallasEast]

Yeah I meant Scarecrow but the Sandman was terrible also. :laugh1:

I would say that Spider-Man III could have been better if it only had The Sandman as the villain and left out Venom or visa versa. Then again, it was messed up from jump. Nothing could have made it better. :

 

[Yeagermeister]

I would say that Spider-Man III could have been better if it only had The Sandman as the villain and left out Venom or visa versa. Then again, it was messed up from jump. Nothing could have made it better. :

Venom would have been better with a better actor. 'Topher didn't fit the part. lol

 

[DallasEast]

Venom would have been better with a better actor. 'Topher didn't fit the part. lol

Agreed. Maybe Raimi was looking for an actor similar in physical appearance and temperment to Tobey Mcguire. If that was the case, the strategy failed.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Agreed. Maybe Raimi was looking for an actor similar in physical appearance and temperment to Tobey Mcguire. If that was the case, the strategy failed.

I still don't know how he pulled a babe like Donna :laugh2:

 

[HTownCowboysFan]

IMO Begins sucked but since you are an obvious fan boy we'll agree to disagree.

I am NOT an "obvious fan boy." In fact, I despise that moniker as it's associated with the worst of fandom. Just because one likes comic books or -- in my case Batman -- one particular fictional character who originates from the comics, doesn't make one a "fan boy."

Do I look like a fanboy to you?

See, just a regular guy, like you.

As far as BEGINS, you're right we'll agree to disagree...even though you're wrong.

 

[Stash]

Agreed, but...
If one looked at it solely from the box office perspective, Burton's original was taken more seriously in terms of moviegoers' interest:

http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/records/100million.php

However, Burton did not taken the character seriously. At best, Batman can be defined as a gothic drama-comedy. Granted, it was a commercial success and deservedly so.

Yet, comparisons between his original and Nolan's original in terms of serious application of the character onto the big screen are weak. Nolan exorcised all the comedic nonsense (like that 60's television you know what) from the Gotham Knight and infused his rendition from the hearts of Bob Kane and Frank Miller. What audiences received for their tickets was the Batman. No frills. No falsehoods. No compromises (minus the cityscape in the first movie, that is).

So, by comparison, the first two of the respective movie franchises were contradictions of each other. The Dark Knight does fully support your assertion though. Then again, no other Batman film (in my opinion) which came before Begins compares with it in the slightest.
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My point applies more toward the original 4 Batman theatrical films. Burton obviously trends toward the bizarre, but he took a dramatic turn away from the '60's camp Batman and I feel that was to the character's benefit.

When Schumacher (and the corporate suits) took over, that seriousness was lost and the series plunged into a bad joke and was killed off because of those decisions.

If you're not going to respect what you're doing, why would your audience?

Nolan's influence will surely be missed as I feel he's currently Hollywood's best filmmaker.

But he will leave behind a template on how to successfully handle the character. A template that Warner Bros can learn a great deal from as they try to follow Marvel's lead and craft their own Universe.

 

[Stash]

Venom would have been better with a better actor. 'Topher didn't fit the part. lol

Amen to that!

Terrible casting.

I chalk it up to Raimi being forced to include Venom over his own objections.

I think the casting was his attempt to sabotage it.

 

[HTownCowboysFan]

My point applies more toward the original 4 Batman theatrical films. Burton obviously trends toward the bizarre, but he took a dramatic turn away from the '60's camp Batman and I feel that was to the character's benefit.

When Schumacher (and the corporate suits) took over, that seriousness was lost and the series plunged into a bad joke and was killed off because of those decisions.

If you're not going to respect what you're doing, why would your audience?

Nolan's influence will surely be missed as I feel he's currently Hollywood's best filmmaker.

But he will leave behind a template on how to successfully handle the character. A template that Warner Bros can learn a great deal from as they try to follow Marvel's lead and craft their own Universe.

Here here!

BATMAN '89 is, to this day, the most important Batman film to date -- and perhaps the most important comic book film of all time (I'd give that title to SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE personally). I love that film. However,

I despise RETURNS as I feel it's a Burton film disguised as a "Batman Movie." Regardless, I'm a big Burton fan.

Chris Nolan is a genius. He has indeed changed the way the films of this genre are made as well as set the bar HIGH.

Warner Bros. wants him to be more involved with their DC-based films (he's producing MAN OF STEEL and helped write the script) and I don't blame them.

GO COWBOYS!