The Ayodele "Roughing" call

[TEK2000]

I know you make so many of these small gifs, and I love em. I was just wondering if there was a place I can see all the ones you've made. I couldn't locate them on the website in your sig.

I'll PM you later on with links to all the ones I have on my server. I doubt the forum admins would like me to post ALL of them in 1 thread as that would take a long time to load for slower internet users (56K).

 

[Stautner]

If you can look at TEK2000 video and tell me that Akin did not lead with his helmet and hit him in the helmet with it then we just need to stop arguing because our computers must be distorting that video so that 1 of us is seeing 1 thing and the other is seeing the other because I just have no other explanation for you.:laugh2:

First, it's a non-issue since helmet to helmet contact was not called - the call was for a late hit.

Second, this does emphasize the difficulty in refs making calls - the viewing angle can distort what actually happened, and refs don't have the option of viewing a play from different angles unless it is a reviewable penalty, which a late hit is not.

 

[TEK2000]

I must say... my lil GIF was just an attempt to make fun of Lloyd and his FLOP that he uses somewhat often... and it sure has sparked quite a debate over the penalty.

BY THE WAY... the discussion over at Extremeskins takes an opposite view. Lloyd made a great play by SLIPPING and DRAWING the late hit to get them 15 more yards! (according the Skins fans)

 

[Stautner]

I must say... my lil GIF was just an attempt to make fun of Lloyd and his FLOP that he uses somewhat often... and it sure has sparked quite a debate over the penalty.

Frankly I don't see how anyone can blame him for the flop. I would challange anyone on this board to just let a 250 pound LB take a running, full speed free shot at you after being spun around and while pivoting on one foot trying to regain balance.

Macho and stupid have essentially the same meaning in that situation.

 

[TEK2000]

Frankly I don't see how anyone can blame him for the flop. I would challange anyone on this board to just let a 250 pound LB take a running, full speed free shot at you after being spun around and while pivoting on one foot trying to regain balance.

Macho and stupid have essentially the same meaning in that situation.

Going down when he's right on top of you is one thing... going down, having time to tuck your head down and brace yourself while the guy is still 2 steps away from you.. is a FLOP!

Did you watch this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUZaEuzV7u8
That is a PANIC at the site of contact coming. He was lucky to get the 1st down.

I'm sorry but MOST NFL recievers would have AT LEAST dove FORWARD rather than just flopping straight on the ground IMMEDIATELY at the site of a defender!

 

[Stautner]

Going down when he's right on top of you is one thing... going down, having time to tuck your head down and brace yourself while the guy is still 2 steps away from you.. is a FLOP!

Did you watch this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUZaEuzV7u8
That is a PANIC at the site of contact coming. He was lucky to get the 1st down.

I'm sorry but MOST NFL recievers would have AT LEAST dove FORWARD rather than just flopping straight on the ground IMMEDIATELY at the site of a defender!

This is a completely different play than we were talking about - I'm not arguing in favor of Lloyd, just that the flop with Ayodele was prudent.

At the risk of starting something else though, let me tell you my reaction to the clip you provided above. My initial reaction was that he definitely wimped out on that play. He had plenty of time to find some kind of seam and drive to it - especially considering he needed to try and get extra yardage for a first down. Then, after I heard the announcer say his foot went out from under him (which my first reaction to that was to think BS), I specifically focused on his right foot and it does appear that he stepped on the side of his foot as he was trying to make a cut. That's not to say that he wasn't planning to flop anyway because I think he was, but it leaves a little room for uncertainty.

 

[CATCH17]

Some of you dont see very well.

He had time to pull up.....IMO

If im see'ing this correctly Ayodele is in the picture before Lloyd even hits the ground.

It shouldn't have been called because he isn't down until he is touched. It was a bang bang play.

End of story. Roll credits.

 

[ghst187]

I thought it was a good call by the refs....
Lloyd had clearly given up and was on the ground Ayodele still hit him. It probably would've been tough for him to pull up but anytime you nail someone on the ground with your shoulder and helmet...it looks bad and its probably going to get called....unless of course you're playing for Oregon at Oregon and the game is hanging in the balance ha

 

[Rack]

Frankly I don't see how anyone can blame him for the flop. I would challange anyone on this board to just let a 250 pound LB take a running, full speed free shot at you after being spun around and while pivoting on one foot trying to regain balance.

Macho and stupid have essentially the same meaning in that situation.

It's football. If you don't want to get hit by 250 lb men running full speed at you, then you shouldn't be there.


And about your "challenge" I just retired from that stuff (played the last three years in a semi-pro league) and never in my life, even at 34 years of age, did I flop down like Lloyd did, regardless of who was running at me.


My 150 lb nephew (RIP) would go head on with our 438 lb Nose Guard in practice. If he can handle that, then I'm sure anyone here could handle a 250lber.

 

[tomson75]

Is there a rule that protects ballcarriers (other than the QB), from getting hit by a defender (one that doesn't lead with his helmet), before he has been ruled down? NO? Was this player down? NO?

Weird. Bad Call. Case closed.

 

[Stautner]

Is there a rule that protects ballcarriers (other than the QB), from getting hit by a defender (one that doesn't lead with his helmet), before he has been ruled down? NO? Was this player down? NO?

Weird. Bad Call. Case closed.

It's very questionable to say he was clearly not down - he was after all on the ground, and he had been spun around by one of our players immediately before going to the ground.

Nevertheless, I don't disagree that it was probably a bad call, i just don't get the continued whining about it.

It was a close call that probably should not have been made, but like close calls every single week there are some that go in our favor and some don't. It happens.

 

[Screw The Hall]

I thought it was a good call

 

[Stautner]

I thought it was a good call

LOL - see, the fact that so many saw it one way and so many saw it the other way - even with the benefit of replay, which the official's didn't have, tells you that this was just one of those very close judgment calls that could have gone either way. It's just not a big deal, it happens every week and some will go in our favor as the year goes on.

 

[aikemirv]

I thought it was a good call

It was a good call.

1. It was Unneccessary - the guy was on the ground.

2. He could have held up - obvious from the fact that he had time to lower his head and shoulders and plant them in his back and head.

3 It was helmet to helmet. That is clear in the replay.

Unneccessary roughness was the call and it was a good call and the type of it the NFL wants to do away with - Period.

 

[tomson75]

It's very questionable to say he was clearly not down - he was after all on the ground, and he had been spun around by one of our players immediately before going to the ground.

Nevertheless, I don't disagree that it was probably a bad call, i just don't get the continued whining about it.

It was a close call that probably should not have been made, but like close calls every single week there are some that go in our favor and some don't. It happens.

I agree about the whining part. Hence my "case closed" plee. Its old news. The fact is, this happens four or three or four times in any given "hard hitting" game. This one was called...most are not. It was weak. These refs should go referee soccer, and we should get some rugby refs. IMO.

 

[Rack]

LOL - see, the fact that so many saw it one way and so many saw it the other way - even with the benefit of replay, which the official's didn't have, tells you that this was just one of those very close judgment calls that could have gone either way. It's just not a big deal, it happens every week and some will go in our favor as the year goes on.

I don't recall anyone saying otherwise.


Obviously the official thought Lloyd was down from the first contact. He was wrong. That's all this debate has been about the whole time.


And who is whining? By what you're saying, any "whining" that has occured in this thread has been matched with the same amount of "whining" from people with opposing opinions.

Yes, I just said you're "whining" just as much as anyone in this thread.


Nobody is "whining". And accusing people of whining when you lose an argument doesn't make your argument any more valid.

 

[Rack]

It was a good call.

1. It was Unneccessary - the guy was on the ground.

2. He could have held up - obvious from the fact that he had time to lower his head and shoulders and plant them in his back and head.

3 It was helmet to helmet. That is clear in the replay.

Unneccessary roughness was the call and it was a good call and the type of it the NFL wants to do away with - Period.

This isn't college, it's the NFL. You aren't automatically down when you touch the ground in the NFL.


And pointing out it was "helmet to helmet" is completely irrelevant. The ONLY time "helmet to helmet" comes into play is if it's on a QB or a "Defenseless" reciever (in the air).

Other then those two instances you can go "helmet to helmet" any time as long as you don't spear the opponent.

 

[Stautner]

I agree about the whining part. Hence my "case closed" plee. Its old news. The fact is, this happens four or three or four times in any given "hard hitting" game. This one was called...most are not. It was weak. These refs should go referee soccer, and we should get some rugby refs. IMO.

I will agree with this to a point.

Although I disagree that this particular call was clear enough to be harsh with the refs making the decision they did, I do understand what you are saying and that there are times that the refs very clearly do go overboard protecting players. The only thing I disagree with you in that regard is that I believe it's the NFL's fault rather than the refs - they are calling the game as instructed by a league that has become overly soft due to a desire to protect big draw players that bring in the fans.

 

[aikemirv]

This isn't college, it's the NFL. You aren't automatically down when you touch the ground in the NFL.


And pointing out it was "helmet to helmet" is completely irrelevant. The ONLY time "helmet to helmet" comes into play is if it's on a QB or a "Defenseless" reciever (in the air).

Other then those to instances you can go "helmet to helmet" any time as long as you don't spear the opponent.

I know it is not college but you still can't lower your head and shoulders into a guys back and head while he is laying on the ground.

That is called unneccessary roughness.

Read the rule I posted earlier about helmet to helmet contact.

 

[Rack]

I know it is not college but you still can't lower your head and shoulders into a guys back and head while he is laying on the ground.

That is called unneccessary roughness.

Read the rule I posted earlier about helmet to helmet contact.

I already know the rules regarding helmet to helmet contact.


You, obviously, do not.