The Battle for Center

Chocolate Lab said:
I don't see what's so hard to believe about it. Coaches would always rather see the bigger, stronger, more physical player play.

But, as anyone who has played at any level knows, the best physical specimens don't always start. Sometimes they're not smart enough, sometimes they're lazy, sometimes they lose concentration, sometimes they just don't have the instincts or feel for the game. And when that happens too often, the coach can't play them -- as has been the case with Gurode so far.

What's so outlandish about that?
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First of all BP has never been on the high end of the size range when looking for offensive lineman (save RT in some cases and when he has no other options). Other than that they have to be able to get out and pull, trap, sweep, screen and get to the 2nd nevel.

BP has known about Gurode's stupidity since his first year here hence you draft Peterman, sign Rivera and Kosier.

Which one of these not like the other?

1) Kevin Mawae
2) Bart Oates
3) Al Johnson
4) Torrin Gurode

Gurode's last season in Dallas.

You can't fix stupid.

There's probably a good reason BP was working Proctor and the other bust (Peterman) at OC.
 
Considering the realist cannot even get Gurode's whole name right, the rest is pure drivel. Gurode played center as a rookie. Then spent the next two years as a guard. THen last year went back to center. BP has flat out said that he made a mistake and that he should have kept Gurode at center. Just how often has BP admitted a mistake like that? If he did not really think that Gurode had a real shot to be a good center this would not be happening.
Some very intelligent people cannot do certain things- Gurode had a high GPA in school and it was not in Phys Ed. So he is very intelligent. Just had trouble being consistent on the football field. BP is giving him one last chance- and so far it seems to be working.
 
burmafrd said:
Considering the realist cannot even get Gurode's whole name right, the rest is pure drivel. Gurode played center as a rookie. Then spent the next two years as a guard. THen last year went back to center. BP has flat out said that he made a mistake and that he should have kept Gurode at center. Just how often has BP admitted a mistake like that? If he did not really think that Gurode had a real shot to be a good center this would not be happening.
Some very intelligent people cannot do certain things- Gurode had a high GPA in school and it was not in Phys Ed. So he is very intelligent. Just had trouble being consistent on the football field. BP is giving him one last chance- and so far it seems to be working.
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Now I don't know Gurode's name?

No, you lack the ability to see below the surface.

Step back and think about Torrin Gurode just a little bit their genius.

Actually Mr. know it all.....the last time BP admitted a mistake is when he tried to sell the world on why it was a good idea to have Tucker move over to LT from RT. (November 3rd, 2005 press conference) "At this point I'd be very, very reluctant to move TT to RT. I see something now that made me remember something I thought about him in the past. Better fit at LT. In Torrin's case on the RT he behaves a certain way vs on the LT. Behaves better at LT. Can't identify it."

And no, Gurode hasn't had trouble being consistent.

He's been consistently mediocre his whole career.
 
So that was admitting to a mistake. sure. have it your way. I know if Gurode makes it you have to eat crow and you don't want to, but you better get out the salt, pepper and ketchup.
 
It's called BP spinning it to appear he's admitting a mistake when really he's manufacturing depth, competition and pseudo confidence in guys like Tucker and Gurode.

Admitting a mistake would be you admitting you were unable to grasp my Torrid Gurode comment.
 
diehard2231 said:
yes was there for the first 5 days of practices
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not doubting -- just asking.

hope you got up to Santa Maria for some BBQ.
 
Regarding your mangling of Gurode's name- I could care less if somehow you are trying to be funny. I never saw any sign of that ability so I figured you were just ignorant of Gurode's name.
 
summerisfunner said:
really? well Randall Williams looked like a player during TC, where is he now?

oh that's right, he's a backup TE :laugh2:
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Is he really? i said he should be bulked up, and moved to TE about 3 years ago.

He may be able to stay in the league for a while longer.
 
Charles said:
p.s They also scouped me Dan Campbell being a broke down player leading into last season.. I got heat for wanting "a possible" upgrade in Heath Miller................but I guess Fasano/Hannam will suffice....hopefully
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I remember you getting all of that heat before the '05 draft over Miller. And few had complaints about Fasano in the 2nd this year.
 
burmafrd said:
Regarding your mangling of Gurode's name- I could care less if somehow you are trying to be funny. I never saw any sign of that ability so I figured you were just ignorant of Gurode's name.
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Not suprising. You seem to miss a lot of signs and signs of ability, or lack there of.
 
The Realist said:
First of all BP has never been on the high end of the size range when looking for offensive lineman (save RT in some cases and when he has no other options). Other than that they have to be able to get out and pull, trap, sweep, screen and get to the 2nd nevel.

BP has known about Gurode's stupidity since his first year here hence you draft Peterman, sign Rivera and Kosier.

Which one of these not like the other?

1) Kevin Mawae
2) Bart Oates
3) Al Johnson
4) Torrin Gurode

Gurode's last season in Dallas.

You can't fix stupid.

There's probably a good reason BP was working Proctor and the other bust (Peterman) at OC.
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I suggest you might want to listen to BP's PC from yesterday. It sounds to me that BP is impressed with what he's seeing from Gurode and that he's leaning towards starting him. He does not think he's stupid. He does think he's "distractable" and that he needs to work on avoiding that if he is to become successful.

As for working Peterman and Procter at different positions, that's just being a smart coach. Flexibility is critical in today's NFL. We will keep no more than 9 and possibly 8 OL guys this year. That means the backups need to be able to play more than one position.
 
DLCassidy said:
I suggest you might want to listen to BP's PC from yesterday. It sounds to me that BP is impressed with what he's seeing from Gurode and that he's leaning towards starting him. He does not think he's stupid. He does think he's "distractable" and that he needs to work on avoiding that if he is to become successful.
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What worries me is that in year 5, he's still distractable. Against a live D that can be a disaster. Of course, this pretty much mirrors Bill's comments about him last year.
 
All sounds to me like what BP was selling last year on Tucker and Gurode in the past.
 
The Realist said:
All sounds to me like what BP was selling last year on Tucker and Gurode in the past.
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Yep.

Both these guys are the type of player that drives coaches nuts. They have physical talent that is better than 90% of the guys at their positions in the league.

If they could just put it all together.

You don't want to be the coach who let the guy go the year before he finally got it.

I still don't understand why Bill loves Andre as a center. His one good performance last year was at RG.
 
abersonc said:
Yep.

Both these guys are the type of player that drives coaches nuts. They have physical talent that is better than 90% of the guys at their positions in the league.

If they could just put it all together.

You don't want to be the coach who let the guy go the year before he finally got it.

I still don't understand why Bill loves Andre as a center. His one good performance last year was at RG.
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Good point on Gurode at RG last year. That's the way most every Cowboy's fan expected Gurode to play when we drafted him.

My wish would be that Gurode could put it all together at RG and have Rivera ride off into the sunset after this year or next. Save a draft pick at OG because as of right now it appears we need a future LT and RG. Flo is closer to the end then most think.

Besides the mental issues the big problem I have with Gurode at OC is he, Flo, and who ever wins the battle at RT is lack of movement and athleticism. That is the antithesis of a BP line IMO.
 
If I were a betting man at this point my money would be on a Center in the 2nd round next year.
 
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