CFZ The best NFL teams draft QBs even when they have a good starter

[rambo2]

You would think the value of taking a flyer on a mid/late round QB would be front and center in Jerry's mind since it's just that very thing that produced the two best QBs of his tenure, after Aikman of course.

The main thing is that they are confident in the 3 qbs that they already have. They leave no stone unturned in their scouting, drafting, and roster building today.

 

[Diehardblues]

If they win a ring you’d feel that way?

Of course . I felt that way when we won our last SB ring. We had a dysfunctional organization then as well. We just had the best talent in the league thanks to Jimmy.

BTW.. our dysfunctional ownership cost us another one in 94 as well. It’s a tremendous pile of crappola to overcome. And why we are where we have been for almost 30 years .

Dysfunctional and or unorthodox leadership is still able to finally strike luck or find that acorn . It isn’t beyond the realm of possibilities even after almost 3 decades.

It doesn’t mean our ownership still isn’t a problem and obstacle to overcome .

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Yes , the money is the driving force . But the motivating factor behind it has always been my focus .

His initial passion is to be a celebrity football guy. And in order to keep from facing the pressure to make a change in his ways he has revolutionized generating revenue. That’s where the money comes in .

I’ve always argued if his revenue was threatened then he might have to change his ways .

yes, and he was behind a lot of the new model of team revenue generation.

 

[rambo2]

Of course . I felt that way when we won our last SB ring. We had a dysfunctional organization then as well. We just had the best talent in the league thanks to Jimmy.

BTW.. our dysfunctional ownership cost us another one in 94 as well. It’s a tremendous pile of crappola to overcome. And why we are where we have been for almost 30 years .

Dysfunctional and or unorthodox leadership is still able to finally strike luck or find that acorn . It isn’t beyond the realm of possibilities even after almost 3 decades.

It doesn’t mean our ownership still isn’t a problem and obstacle to overcome .

I think that they are doing well now. They have built this very good team with a good plan.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Of course . I felt that way when we won our last SB ring. We had a dysfunctional organization then as well. We just had the best talent in the league thanks to Jimmy.

BTW.. our dysfunctional ownership cost us another one in 94 as well. It’s a tremendous pile of crappola to overcome. And why we are where we have been for almost 30 years .

Dysfunctional and or unorthodox leadership is still able to finally strike luck or find that acorn . It isn’t beyond the realm of possibilities even after almost 3 decades.

It doesn’t mean our ownership still isn’t a problem and obstacle to overcome .

It’s not ideal but it’s not nearly the crap it was in the 2000s especially since Will McClay came on.

 

[Diehardblues]

It’s not ideal but it’s not nearly the crap it was in the 2000s especially since Will McClay came on.

No doubt it’s better than it has been but Jethro is still our greatest obstacle to overcome .

We shall see how it progresses this year . If we have another disappointing ending then we could see another major change in coaching and potential turmoil setting us back again.

Jethro has already stated that Champ game is the expectation. His blabbering mouth is a big part of the problem.

 

[rambo2]

No doubt it’s better than it has been but Jethro is still our greatest obstacle to overcome .

We shall see how it progresses this year . If we have another disappointing ending then we could see another major change in coaching and potential turmoil setting us back again.

Jerry isn't playing in the games. They have a good contending team with good coaches.

 

[conner01]

The thinking is that they are built to win now and Schoonmaker will help them do that.

That would make logical sense
Some of it is talent at different positions is just deeper. The middle rounds bring lots of LB and we’ve got solid TE there. The drop off at QB by round happens real fast. That’s not to say you can’t get one like we did Dak but it’s the hardest position to get as the rounds tick by

 

[Diehardblues]

Jerry isn't playing in the games. They have a good contending team with good coaches.

Yea they are relative and interesting which is Jethro’s priority . We shall see if it develops into more .

 

[rambo2]

Yea they are relative and interesting which is Jethro’s priority . We shall see if it develops into more .

They are right at the door.

 

[igtmfo]

After this year's draft, a reporter called Jerry on his quote (he should draft a QB every year).

McCarthy took the question after Jerry said something I can't remember - McCarthy said that it is very hard to work 4 QBs into practice sessions - to get that 4th QB meaningful snaps.

So that was that. No interest in shoving Grier off the team I guess. ... I read that they considered O'Connell (Purdue) in 4th round but took Fehoko instead. None of the remaining QBs in the draft must have been competition for Grier.

 

[rambo2]

After this year's draft, a reporter called Jerry on his quote (he should draft a QB every year).

McCarthy took the question after Jerry said something I can't remember - McCarthy said that it is very hard to work 4 QBs into practice sessions - to get that 4th QB meaningful snaps.

So that was that. No interest in shoving Grier off the team I guess. ... I read that they considered O'Connell (Purdue) in 4th round but took Fehoko instead. None of the remaining QBs in the draft must have been competition for Grier.

That's right. I think they had interest in Hooker and O'Connell. Charlie Jones the receiver from Purdue is a stud too. The Bengals got him.

 

[rambo2]

After this year's draft, a reporter called Jerry on his quote (he should draft a QB every year).

McCarthy took the question after Jerry said something I can't remember - McCarthy said that it is very hard to work 4 QBs into practice sessions - to get that 4th QB meaningful snaps.

So that was that. No interest in shoving Grier off the team I guess. ... I read that they considered O'Connell (Purdue) in 4th round but took Fehoko instead. None of the remaining QBs in the draft must have been competition for Grier.

Grier is better or just as good as any qb that they could have drafted in the 4th round.

 

[Captain-Crash]

Another crying about Jerry thread. sheesh

 

[xwalker]

The QB position is THE hardest to find sustainable, quality talent. It often requires several attempts before finding a QB that has real value. Doesn’t mean you have to use Day one or two draft picks every year, but there is certainly evidence that even after you find a quality starting QB, your team should still be QB shopping in the draft often.

For some reason, our front office does not choose to draft QBs very often. Since JJ bought the team in 1989, the Cowboys have drafted 7 QBs. That’s 7 QBs in 34 years. From 1992-2009, the Cowboys only drafted 2 QBs- Quincy Carter in 2001 and Stephen McGee in 2009. From 2010-23, we have drafted 3 QBs- Dak, Mike White and Ben DiNucci.

Part of this was because of finding Tony Romo as an UFA in 2003 and stumbling upon Dak in round 4 in 2016. But it is still interesting how little the Cowboys have used draft capital to draft a QB. In the combined 19 years of the Cowboys having Romo and Dak under center, the Cowboys have only drafted 4 QBs.

One of the things I’ve noticed is the habit of many of the better NFL organizations is drafting QBs even when they have a quality starter. Look at these three organizations’ approach to drafting QB talent, even when they had a great starter:

• Green Bay- even when Brett Favre was QB, putting together a HOF career, the pack drafted 9 QBs in 13 drafts. In 2005, they drafted Aaron Rodgers in round 1, and went to 5 NFC championships and won a SB with Rodgers, yet in the 18 seasons Rodgers was in GB, the pack still drafted 6 QBs.
  
  
• San Francisco- the niners have played in 6 NFC championships and 2 SBs in this century and they have done that with 4 different starting QBs. Their habit of acquiring QB talent even when they have a great starter goes all the way back to the 80s when they acquired Steve Young in a trade with the Bucs when they already had the great Joe Montana. The niners have drafted 6 QBs in the last 12 drafts, and their draft of Brock Purdy with the last pick of the 2022 draft, even after drafting Trey Lance in round 1 in 2021 paid big dividends last season.
  
  
• New England- in the 20 seasons the GOAT Tom Brady was winning SBs in NE, the pats still drafted 9 QBs. Three of those QBs- Jacoby Brissett, Matt Cassel, and Jimmy Garropolo all were traded for better draft capital than they were originally drafted. New England‘s philosophy of drafting QBs even when they had the greatest QB in NFL history served them well.
  
  
• Kansas City- KC had Alex Smith from 2013-17, and he led the chiefs to the playoffs in 4 of his 5 seasons there. He was certainly seen as a good starter. Yet the chiefs chose to trade up in round 1 to draft Patrick Mahomes in 2017. No one knew Pat Mahomes was going to be what he turned into. And I’m a Texas Tech fan who saw Mahomes play in person 5 times!

Bottom line- IMO the Cowboys would be wise to draft a QB more often. The above teams have drafted QBs even with HOF talent in place. Regardless of what happens with Dak and his future with Dallas, this organization needs to draft a QB more often.

KC: Zero QBs drafted since Mahomes...

KC Alex Smith: The majority of teams/fans considered Alex Smith a bus driver.

SF Purdy: They had already deemed Trey Lance a possible bust before drafting Purdy.

SF Young: You said "draft" and then reference Young who was not drafted by SF.

Patriots: They drafted JimmyG in the 2nd and later got a 2nd when they traded him. They didn't have a replacement for Brady despite drafted multiple QBs. That strategy was a fail for them.

 

[Bobhaze]

KC: Zero QBs drafted since Mahomes...

KC Alex Smith: The majority of teams/fans considered Alex Smith a bus driver.

SF Purdy: They had already deemed Trey Lance a possible bust before drafting Purdy.

SF Young: You said "draft" and then reference Young who was not drafted by SF.

Patriots: They drafted JimmyG in the 2nd and later got a 2nd when they traded him. They didn't have a replacement for Brady despite drafted multiple QBs. That strategy was a fail for them.

Quote from the actual OP regarding SF you apparrently missed:
”Their habit of acquiring QB talent even when they have a great starter goes all the way back to the 80s when they acquired Steve Young in a trade with the Bucs…”

 

[xwalker]

Quote from the actual OP regarding SF you apparrently missed:
”Their habit of acquiring QB talent even when they have a great starter goes all the way back to the 80s when they acquired Steve Young in a trade with the Bucs…”

I didn't miss it. I'm pointing out that it does not fit the context of your post which was about teams drafting QBs even when they already have an entrenched starter.

Why not reply to my comment about KC drafting QBs since Mahomes. KC has to be considered the top team in the league at this point.

 

[rambo2]

I didn't miss it. I'm pointing out that it does not fit the context of your post which was about teams drafting QBs even when they already have an entrenched starter.

Why not reply to my comment about KC drafting QBs since Mahomes. KC has to be considered the top team in the league at this point.

I find it interesting that it took the Chiefs 50 years to get back to and win the Super Bowl again and some people *****, moan, and cry about Jerry and 27 years.

 

[DFWJC]

Given out draft positions and needs

I'd like to see a list of QBs we passed on that we should have drafted since 2016

The QB position is THE hardest to find sustainable, quality talent. It often requires several attempts before finding a QB that has real value. Doesn’t mean you have to use Day one or two draft picks every year, but there is certainly evidence that even after you find a quality starting QB, your team should still be QB shopping in the draft often.

For some reason, our front office does not choose to draft QBs very often. Since JJ bought the team in 1989, the Cowboys have drafted 7 QBs. That’s 7 QBs in 34 years. From 1992-2009, the Cowboys only drafted 2 QBs- Quincy Carter in 2001 and Stephen McGee in 2009. From 2010-23, we have drafted 3 QBs- Dak, Mike White and Ben DiNucci.

Part of this was because of finding Tony Romo as an UFA in 2003 and stumbling upon Dak in round 4 in 2016. But it is still interesting how little the Cowboys have used draft capital to draft a QB. In the combined 19 years of the Cowboys having Romo and Dak under center, the Cowboys have only drafted 4 QBs.

One of the things I’ve noticed is the habit of many of the better NFL organizations is drafting QBs even when they have a quality starter. Look at these three organizations’ approach to drafting QB talent, even when they had a great starter:

• Green Bay- even when Brett Favre was QB, putting together a HOF career, the pack drafted 9 QBs in 13 drafts. In 2005, they drafted Aaron Rodgers in round 1, and went to 5 NFC championships and won a SB with Rodgers, yet in the 18 seasons Rodgers was in GB, the pack still drafted 6 QBs.
  
  
• San Francisco- the niners have played in 6 NFC championships and 2 SBs in this century and they have done that with 4 different starting QBs. Their habit of acquiring QB talent even when they have a great starter goes all the way back to the 80s when they acquired Steve Young in a trade with the Bucs when they already had the great Joe Montana. The niners have drafted 6 QBs in the last 12 drafts, and their draft of Brock Purdy with the last pick of the 2022 draft, even after drafting Trey Lance in round 1 in 2021 paid big dividends last season.
  
  
• New England- in the 20 seasons the GOAT Tom Brady was winning SBs in NE, the pats still drafted 9 QBs. Three of those QBs- Jacoby Brissett, Matt Cassel, and Jimmy Garropolo all were traded for better draft capital than they were originally drafted. New England‘s philosophy of drafting QBs even when they had the greatest QB in NFL history served them well.
  
  
• Kansas City- KC had Alex Smith from 2013-17, and he led the chiefs to the playoffs in 4 of his 5 seasons there. He was certainly seen as a good starter. Yet the chiefs chose to trade up in round 1 to draft Patrick Mahomes in 2017. No one knew Pat Mahomes was going to be what he turned into. And I’m a Texas Tech fan who saw Mahomes play in person 5 times!

Bottom line- IMO the Cowboys would be wise to draft a QB more often. The above teams have drafted QBs even with HOF talent in place. Regardless of what happens with Dak and his future with Dallas, this organization needs to draft a QB more often.

Given our draft positions and needs

I'd like to see a list of QBs we passed on that we should have drafted since 2016

 

[75boyz]

I find it interesting that it took the Chiefs 50 years to get back to and win the Super Bowl again and some people *****, moan, and cry about Jerry and 27 years.

And the Chicago Cubs in baseball took 108 years.
Man...
27 years? What's wrong with these Cowboy fans?

That's nothing. (sarcasm extreme)
Lol, smh