CFZ The better teams in the NFL are often drafting QBs

[Bobhaze]

Yea, all the QBs the Pats drafted really made a difference for them.

What a ridiculous point.

The pats got a 2nd round pick for Matt Cassel and later got a 2nd rounder for Jimmy Garropolo. Those picks did make a difference. Not to mention Cassel went 11-5 the year Brady was out with his knee injury.

And Garropolo was 2-0 as a starter to start the 2016 season when Brady was suspended4 games for “Deflate-gate”. Jimmy G was hurt in the 2nd game and another drafted QB, Jacoby Brissett stepped in and was also 2-0 as a starter.

You can’t say those Patriots QB draftees did not make a difference.

 

[ICP]

I have figured it out!!!! The team is run by idiots, oh wait, most of us already know that

 

[DogFace]

In business he’s smart. Well, once you hit with a raw material like oil it’s not hard to seem smart, but football wise Jerry is truly stupid in almost every way an owner could be.

 

[Jayinem]

But if we drafted a QB in the first round it might upset Dak, causing him to play poorly in the playoffs.

 

[MikeyJones214]

I hate the mentality the front office has of being "set" at QB

It was that mentality that made the team give Dak that awful contract that is hurting us to this day because we didn't have another choice but to sign him because we didn't have other options at QB

The Patriots had the best QB in history and he rarely got injured but they still drafted Garoppolo despite not needing a QB

If Michael Penix is there, you better take him if for no other reason than to let Dak know there are other options (don't extend Dak this off-season)

 

[MikeyJones214]

Myth. Totally made up.

How long was Phillip Rivers in SD? Matt Ryan in Atlanta? Ben Roeth in Pitt?

Teams don't move on from QBs who give them a chance to be good because there are so few of them and there is no solution for replacing them.

Save the stupid "Ben won a Super Bowl" argument. It's not relevant. He was there for another 12 years after his last win.

He said good teams...


As in, successful

The Steelers were somewhat successful and as you said, they shouldn't be used in this example

The other two teams are examples of why you should move on after 8 years...if a QB doesn't take you deep in the playoffs early in his career, It ain't happening.

 

[noshame]

Here’s a very revealing stat: Since 2000 - the last 24 drafts - the Cowboys have only drafted 6 QBs. Here’s the list:

• 2001- Quincy Carter round 2
• 2007- Isiah Stanback- round 4 (never took a snap as a QB because he was converted to WR)
• 2009- Stephen McGee, round 4 (part of the worst draft in team history)
• 2016- Dak Prescott, round 4
• 2018- Mike White, round 6
• 2020- Ben DiNucci- round 7

That’s it. Six QBs drafted in 24 drafts. We’ve drafted 2 QB in the last 8 drafts and that was 6th rounder Mike White and 7th rounder Ben DiNucci. That’s just crazy.

Looking at the teams in the 21st century with the most success, they draft QBs often. Even if they already have a HOF QB in place. Look at the number of QBs these teams have drafted since 2000:

• Patriots: 13 (they drafted 12 after getting the GOAT Tom Brady!)
• Niners: 11 (They drafted Brock Purdy the year after drafting Trey Lance in round 1)
• Broncos: 11
• Ravens: 10 (they drafted Lamar Jackson when they already had SB MVP Joe Flacco)
• Eagles: 10
• Packers: 8 (they drafted Aaron Rodgers with the 24th pick 3 yrs before Favre left and drafted Jordan Love with the 26th pick when they had Rodgers!)
• Chiefs: 7 (they moved up in the draft to get Mahomes in 2017 when they already had Alex Smith who had just taken them to the playoffs)

Every single one of those teams have won multiple conference championships and either won or played in multiple SBs since 2000. The Cowboys have drafted 6 QBs in the same time frame and have zero conference championship appearances. That’s not a coincidence. For whatever reason, Jerry has acted like “we’re set at QB“ without any interest in finding a diamond in the rough as so many other teams have.

It’s pretty clear that the better teams the last two decades know how important it is to draft a QB. Even if you already have a QB you like. There’s a fundamental truth at play here: You can’t find a diamond in the rough at QB if you don’t even try.

Late edit: It’s six QBs drafted not five. Missed Mike White in 2018. Thanks @TheMarathonContinues

Thanks, Bob now where did I put that bridge I was gonna jump off of.

 

[Cmac]

You want a QB drafted every year or frequently.......yet we can't draft a decent defensive lineman or LB in some years. The last draft.....was terrible. We drafted projects. 2022 draft yielded Tolbert, Bland, Sam Williams, and Tyler Smith. 2021 was terrible, 2020 granted CeeDee, Diggs, Gallimore, and Biadasz. I don't trust the draft room, at all.

 

[Cowboys5217]

In business he’s smart. Well, once you hit with a raw material like oil it’s not hard to seem smart, but football wise Jerry is truly stupid in almost every way an owner could be.

It's a common failing of the successful - they get the belief that success in one area means they will be a success in all areas. Nobody is truly a jack of all trades. For example, there has never been a person to become world champion in both chess and checkers.

Jerry also grew up in privilege. His success is mostly artificial. Nobody ever hears of Jerry Jones if he grew up in a trailer park.

 

[Cowboys5217]

You want a QB drafted every year or frequently.......yet we can't draft a decent defensive lineman or LB in some years. The last draft.....was terrible. We drafted projects. 2022 draft yielded Tolbert, Bland, Sam Williams, and Tyler Smith. 2021 was terrible, 2020 granted CeeDee, Diggs, Gallimore, and Biadasz. I don't trust the draft room, at all.

We got far more from the 2023 UDFA class than we did from the 2023 draft.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Jerry is still scarred by the post - Aikman parade of loser QBs. What he has apparently forgotten is that the first position JJ drafted was a QB (Aikman) and then he spent another future first round pick on Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft. Jimmy knew you had to nail that position first or the other ones wouldn’t matter enough to win much and certainly not a Super Bowl. It’s truly baffling that Aikman is STILL the last QB we used a first round pick on.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

The pats got a 2nd round pick for Matt Cassel and later got a 2nd rounder for Jimmy Garropolo. Those picks did make a difference. Not to mention Cassel went 11-5 the year Brady was out with his knee injury.

And Garropolo was 2-0 as a starter to start the 2016 season when Brady was suspended4 games for “Deflate-gate”. Jimmy G was hurt in the 2nd game and another drafted QB, Jacoby Brissett stepped in and was also 2-0 as a starter.

You can’t say those Patriots QB draftees did not make a difference.

Nope. They made no difference whatsoever to them winning Super Bowls.

Cassel was traded with Vrabel, he alone didn't get that pick. They didn't even make the playoffs that year.
In 2016, they could have started 0-4 and it wouldn't have mattered.

So no, those picks don't matter, not relative to just drafting good players

 

[Bobhaze]

Nope. They made no difference whatsoever to them winning Super Bowls.

Cassel was traded with Vrabel, he alone didn't get that pick. They didn't even make the playoffs that year.
In 2016, they could have started 0-4 and it wouldn't have mattered.

So no, those picks don't matter, not relative to just drafting good players

I will agree to disagree.

 

[Sandyf]

Might want to list all the Quarterbacks those teams drafted since 2000 also. Kansas City hasn't draft a QB since Mahomes. Nice logic but unless you compare apples to apples then it doesn't make much sense.

Should Dallas draft a QB every year? No! You should only draft a guy if you believe that he can make the team not just for the sake of drafting a QB. Draft should be about picking players that are going to help you not throwing away a pick on some QB just because he is a QB.

 

[Creeper]

Because I have nothing better to do...

From 2000 thru 2023 294 QBs have been drafted. I have no idea how many were signed as UDFAs.

Of all QBs drafted 45 have made at least 1 pro-bowl, but not always while they were with the team that drafted them. 18 made it to the Super Bowl (6%) . 10 won the Super Bowl. The 18 include Colin Kaepernick, Rex Grossman, Nick Foles, Matt Ryan, Jared Goff, Jimmy Garopollo, and Joe Flacco. Foles and Flacco won.

69 QBs were drafted in the first round 29 were selected to at least 1 pro-bowl. That means only 16 QBs drafted rounds 2-7 made a pro-bowl appearance. Dak is one of them. 11 first round picks made it to a Super Bowl (15%), and 6 have won at least one Super Bowl.

Over that period the average number o QBs drafted per team is just over 9. The highest number of QB drafted by a team is 14 by the NY Jets. The lowest is the Dallas Cowboys with 6. They are tied with the KC Chiefs.

The teams with the highest number of QBs drafted are the Jets, 49ers (13), Patriots (13), Commanders (12), Broncos (12), Browns (11), and Chargers (11).

The Teams with the fewest are Dallas, KC, Falcons (7), Colts (7), and Seahawks (7).

The data clearly shows the earlier a QB is drafted, the more likely he is to be good (shocker!). But his draft position doesn't make him better. He is drafted high because he is more talented.

The data also shows that it is exceedingly rare for any QB to make it to the Super Bowl. But good teams have gotten there with QB who were good but not great. Two have won it. There is also no denying teh QBs like Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes elevate their teams. I might put Aaron Rodgers into that group too, but maybe just a step behind.

What does all of it mean? I think a good QB is necessary to win a Super Bowl, but I also think with the exception of Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes, he also needs a good team behind him. I think Dak is better than Rex Grossman, Nick Foles, Jimmy G and some of the others who have been there. He just needs a supporting cast. Maybe Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady don't, but they are rarities in the NFL. In 24 years only 2 of them have been drafted. The chances of finding a better QB than Dak in the draft is smaller than the chances of finding a QB who is worse. Then again, Maybe Dallas gets lucky in the next draft.

BTW, one other thing I spotted in the draft data. Stay away from USC QBs. If Caleb Williams succeeds in the NFL, he will be the first in the last 25 years.