The Blinders View Of Everything Cowboys

[jazzcat22]

Ok, so it's EE at #4....everyone in agreement?.........
On to round 2, Paxton Lynch is my vote.....

 

[Alexander]

This is a strange thread.

 

[the_h0wey]

Here is a rebuttal of your mob mentality.

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d.../sturms-mailbag-friday-part-1-thoughts-pick-4

Sturm is always a good read. That's why he is my sports leader

 

[Jstopper]

JJ was never compared to the best back in the NFL, nor was he any where close to the best rb in college. That was a JJ being JJ pick.

Okay Trent Richardson then

 

[coult44]

I haven't seen anyone but the most hyperbolic homer compare Zeke to AP, either. He's not even in the same zip code.

Do y'all just say stuff and not really know? Or do you know, and just think you know better? I could literally put up 100 different links.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/bl...t-complete-rb-prospect-since-adrian-peterson/

http://rotoviz.com/2016/01/2016-nfl-draft-prospect-ezekiel-elliott-rb-ohio-state/

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/draft...t-buckeyes-elliott-bosa-roast-ducks-tease-nfl

 

[vicjagger]

One of the best things about this forum is the varied, diverse views expressed by the various factions on this board. While much of it it agenda driven, and is the same old tired act, this board also has some fresh views of things that says why can't we do "XYZ" which often raises some interesting thought provoking questions.

Foe example when Mike Ditka used "Refrigerator Perry" as a blocker/running back in his super bowl run with the Bears it was imaginative and more importantly successful. I have no doubt that if someone on this message board suggested such a thing happen in Dallas on this message board would be met with tar, feathers, pitchforks and a hangman's noose for good measure.

I realize that there are posters who also post things that are so far fetched that they are outside the realm of any rational thinking, but that is not what I am talking about here.

One such example is the proposition that Elliott should be the pick at #4 overall. Many have suggested that was too high to pick a running back, because it is not worth the cap hit, etc. I'm not proposing that is a great idea, just one of a myriad of examples of the types of issues that this mob mentality here so vehemently opposes.

I am not really sure why some posters are so narrow minded that they can't at least consider the validity of another poster's viewpoint. The whole purpose of the draft is TO ASSEMBLE A BETTER TEAM TO WIN NOW AND IN THE LONG RUN.

I'm not sure if Elliott is any good or not, so I don't really have a strong opinion on it one way or the other. I can tell you that if the Cowboy's staff grades Elliott to be as good as Adrian Peterson then I would have no problem taking him as high as #1 overall, especially in light of the assemblage of this young, talented offensive line. I also understand that there are trade offs to doing that, and I can understand how another poster might say sure Verdict, I see your point, but what if we don't have a QB to hand him the ball to keep offenses honest? Both are valid concerns and points of view.

Another example of this "inside the box only" thinking is we shouldn't draft Ramsey to play safety at #4 overall because safeties are not worth that cap hit. Similarly, many people said don't draft Martin so high because guards are not worthy of such a high pick. Or what about the "We over drafted Fred Beard" camp?

The truth is that you can't pigeon hole things into a formula. I know this is a copycat league, but in reality being a copycat isn't what wins championships. Picking the best players (at what ever position they are found) and maximizing their talents and putting them in a position to succeed is what wins championships.

Excellent post! This might be a stretch, but I'm guessing ya didn't compose that one on your phone.

 

[skinsscalper]

Do y'all just say stuff and not really know? Or do you know, and just think you know better? I could literally put up 100 different links.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/bl...t-complete-rb-prospect-since-adrian-peterson/

http://rotoviz.com/2016/01/2016-nfl-draft-prospect-ezekiel-elliott-rb-ohio-state/

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/draft...t-buckeyes-elliott-bosa-roast-ducks-tease-nfl

From your own article:


What he struggles with
Nothing.

Seriously. Elliott doesn’t have a weakness to his game. Even his single biggest weakness is that he’s less awesome than some of his peers or players that have come before him. He’s being downgraded for not being Todd Gurley or Leonard Fournette with the ball in his hands, and while that’s true, he’s a better blocker than either of them, and is certainly no slouch as a ball-carrier.

If he ain't Gurey or Fournette, he's no AP.

 

[jjktkk]

And if he ends up as Julius Jones you won't find anyone admitting they were homering out for him this year either

Too easy, they would just blame 'Ole Jerry reaching for a rb at 4.

 

[coult44]

From your own article:

What he struggles with
Nothing.

Seriously. Elliott doesn’t have a weakness to his game. Even his single biggest weakness is that he’s less awesome than some of his peers or players that have come before him. He’s being downgraded for not being Todd Gurley or Leonard Fournette with the ball in his hands, and while that’s true, he’s a better blocker than either of them, and is certainly no slouch as a ball-carrier.

If he ain't Gurey or Fournette, he's no AP.

In the same article he compares him to AD. Which is what we are arguing. I don't think he's AD, but I hear the comparison all the time.

 

[skinsscalper]

In the same article he compares him to AD. Which is what we are arguing. I don't think he's AD, but I hear the comparison all the time.

Actually they say that he's the best prospect SINCE AP. Which isn't exactly the same as comparing him to AP.

Like I said, I think Elliott is going to be a damn good back in this league. He's no Adrian Peterson (which we agree on, it seems).

 

[jobberone]

Very well said!! Also, if Zeke ends up being as good as AD, you will never find anyone here that will admit to not wanting to take him. Folks are so caught up in doing things the same old tired way, they aren't willing to think outside of the box. Even if the same old way has gotten us nowhere.

Stop with the us against them. You may find this as pleasing to you but it's going to stop. You like a player or no then say so and leave off the mantras. /mod off.

Every player and every year is different as is each draft pick. People here are all fans of the Dallas Cowboys. Well at least the vast vast majority of them.

 

[Idgit]

Very well said!! Also, if Zeke ends up being as good as AD, you will never find anyone here that will admit to not wanting to take him. Folks are so caught up in doing things the same old tired way, they aren't willing to think outside of the box. Even if the same old way has gotten us nowhere.

That's not true (and that's coming from somebody who was immediately envious of the AD pick when MIN took him). I don't want Zeke at #4 because it's bad value. If he turns out to be s superstar, then it will have been a good value, despite the position he plays. But it still would have been a bad bet.

It's like the Zack Martin pick. I have zero interest in mid-first round OGs because I think there are so many college players who can transition inside in the NFL, and so many other small school players who can reach quality OG status after some time in an NFL weight room. It's a bad value pick. Given how that 2014 draft broke, though, the pick made sense. He turned out to be a great player, so nobody sweats it, but it still was a case where we got stuck on a pick.

But at #4, you can't get stuck at a pick. To take a low-value player because you have a crush on him there is foolish. And we'd be kicking ourselves just as hard if Wentz ends up the next Luck or Ramsey the next Woodson or Bosa the next Watt. The smart move is to play the odds and add the hard-to-find pieces when you're picking high enough that you've got a relatively safe bet. The easier to find pieces can always be found elsewhere, and you need both hard and easy pieces to win anything worthwhile in this league.

 

[coult44]

That's not true (and that's coming from somebody who was immediately envious of the AD pick when MIN took him). I don't want Zeke at #4 because it's bad value. If he turns out to be s superstar, then it will have been a good value, despite the position he plays. But it still would have been a bad bet.

It's like the Zack Martin pick. I have zero interest in mid-first round OGs because I think there are so many college players who can transition inside in the NFL, and so many other small school players who can reach quality OG status after some time in an NFL weight room. It's a bad value pick. Given how that 2014 draft broke, though, the pick made sense. He turned out to be a great player, so nobody sweats it, but it still was a case where we got stuck on a pick.

But at #4, you can't get stuck at a pick. To take a low-value player because you have a crush on him there is foolish. And we'd be kicking ourselves just as hard if Wentz ends up the next Luck or Ramsey the next Woodson or Bosa the next Watt. The smart move is to play the odds and add the hard-to-find pieces when you're picking high enough that you've got a relatively safe bet. The easier to find pieces can always be found elsewhere, and you need both hard and easy pieces to win anything worthwhile in this league.

I want Wentz, Goff, or Ramsey. I don't want Bossa and I don't want the kid from the Nike Camp University. If Ramaey, And the two QBs are gone, you have only two smart choices available 1) trade back, pick up a couple high picks,. Or 2) you say forget the value chart and take Zeke. The value chart has taken us where? It's only a good formula for teams that are above a 500 average for the past 5 years. We need to flip the script, change the philosophy completely around, do something that everyone else seems is looney. There's not even a big risk involved. ....

 

[Idgit]

I want Wentz, Goff, or Ramsey. I don't want Bossa and I don't want the kid from the Nike Camp University. If Ramaey, And the two QBs are gone, you have only two smart choices available 1) trade back, pick up a couple high picks,. Or 2) you say forget the value chart and take Zeke. The value chart has taken us where? It's only a good formula for teams that are above a 500 average for the past 5 years. We need to flip the script, change the philosophy completely around, do something that everyone else seems is looney. There's not even a big risk involved. ....

I agree on the players you like. I don't take a RB at #4 no matter what, and I don't want to see us make low-probability picks just because we haven't won enough making high probability picks.

Now, if we're able to trade down a bit, I mind talking a RB as much. I still don't love it, but it would at least make more sense. Though at that point we'd be getting into Lynch territory, and I like that more than a RB, too.

 

[Section446]

And if he ends up as Julius Jones you won't find anyone admitting they were homering out for him this year either

I will.

 

[DogFace]

Well, I'm confused. On one hand this would be good. On another this could be... Many good points by many good posters. Even some bad posters making some good points.

I'm not really sure what I want. I'll stick with of Ramsey is there get him. After that I don't know. Elliot with our line sounds very good. Rb's career lifespan seems bad. QB of the future sounds good. Is there one here outside of Wentz? Or is he even that good? I didn't think Bosa was good. Some swear he is a can't miss.

 

[Stash]

There are generalities that hold true but they are guidelines not inviolate laws.

Keep in mind the avg careers of a RB say vs a DB or a QB. Then correlate that with the general risk of injury for each. RBs stand a higher risk of injury than either. What is the relative worth of a superior player at each position? What is the relative worth of each to making the playoffs.

I know when I say there is no RB in this draft I'd pick at four I preface that with the relative worth of RBs to making one's goal of winning a SB or just getting to the playoffs which is the primary goal each season. They just aren't high on the list in the present NFL.

So I personally don't have an agenda other than to win. If a top RB gets you there go get him. This year while my short term goal is first to improve the pass rush, I like the long term goal of acquiring a QB.

I think most opinions come down in either side of the 'win now' or 'build long term' equation.

When it comes to someone like me advocating the drafting of a QB at #4, that's kind of locking you into a long term mentality.

Whereas someone else wanting Bosa, Ramsey, or Elliott is thinking that the team is in position to quickly rebound and one of those players would quickly help that.

 

[cowboyblue22]

the cowboys have told the whole world they are taking a qb just not what round they are taking one in. with kellen moore as the only back up and no free agents to get they will draft a qb

 

[jobberone]

I think most opinions come down in either side of the 'win now' or 'build long term' equation.

When it comes to someone like me advocating the drafting of a QB at #4, that's kind of locking you into a long term mentality.

Whereas someone else wanting Bosa, Ramsey, or Elliott is thinking that the team is in position to quickly rebound and one of those players would quickly help that.

I agree with you but I see both sides. I will completely understand if they say we can win a SB with Romo around in the next 2-3 years......we're going to shore up the defense and go for it. We'll have to get lucky later with a QB. Perhaps that works out best in the long run as well as short term. There are no guarantees a player will perform.

You pays your dollar and you takes your chance. IF they think a QB is a franchise player then they should take them at 4 and not look back.

 

[fortdick]

And if he ends up as Julius Jones you won't find anyone admitting they were homering out for him this year either

We ought to start a pet cat tracking system to see who covets which player and then save that for posterity. I would love to be able to search back and see which posters here wanted Vince Young, Shawne Merriman, or Mo Claiborne.