The Blinders View Of Everything Cowboys

[Verdict]

One of the best things about this forum is the varied, diverse views expressed by the various factions on this board. While much of it it agenda driven, and is the same old tired act, this board also has some fresh views of things that says why can't we do "XYZ" which often raises some interesting thought provoking questions.

Foe example when Mike Ditka used "Refrigerator Perry" as a blocker/running back in his super bowl run with the Bears it was imaginative and more importantly successful. I have no doubt that if someone on this message board suggested such a thing happen in Dallas on this message board would be met with tar, feathers, pitchforks and a hangman's noose for good measure.

I realize that there are posters who also post things that are so far fetched that they are outside the realm of any rational thinking, but that is not what I am talking about here.

One such example is the proposition that Elliott should be the pick at #4 overall. Many have suggested that was too high to pick a running back, because it is not worth the cap hit, etc. I'm not proposing that is a great idea, just one of a myriad of examples of the types of issues that this mob mentality here so vehemently opposes.

I am not really sure why some posters are so narrow minded that they can't at least consider the validity of another poster's viewpoint. The whole purpose of the draft is TO ASSEMBLE A BETTER TEAM TO WIN NOW AND IN THE LONG RUN.

I'm not sure if Elliott is any good or not, so I don't really have a strong opinion on it one way or the other. I can tell you that if the Cowboy's staff grades Elliott to be as good as Adrian Peterson then I would have no problem taking him as high as #1 overall, especially in light of the assemblage of this young, talented offensive line. I also understand that there are trade offs to doing that, and I can understand how another poster might say sure Verdict, I see your point, but what if we don't have a QB to hand him the ball to keep offenses honest? Both are valid concerns and points of view.

Another example of this "inside the box only" thinking is we shouldn't draft Ramsey to play safety at #4 overall because safeties are not worth that cap hit. Similarly, many people said don't draft Martin so high because guards are not worthy of such a high pick. Or what about the "We over drafted Fred Beard" camp?

The truth is that you can't pigeon hole things into a formula. I know this is a copycat league, but in reality being a copycat isn't what wins championships. Picking the best players (at what ever position they are found) and maximizing their talents and putting them in a position to succeed is what wins championships.

 

[CIWhitefish]

You can never go wrong drafting the best player on your board...assuming you don't window dress it.

 

[gimmesix]

Fans go out of their way to defend what they believe is best for the team, even to the extent of gross overexaggeration.

Mostly, they are wrong and I'm right. (Hey, I said mostly.)

 

[the_h0wey]

One of the best things about this forum is the varied, diverse views expressed by the various factions on this board. While much of it it agenda driven, and is the same old tired act, this board also has some fresh views of things that says why can't we do "XYZ" which often raises some interesting thought provoking questions.

Foe example when Mike Ditka used "Refrigerator Perry" as a blocker/running back in his super bowl run with the Bears it was imaginative and more importantly successful. I have no doubt that if someone on this message board suggested such a thing happen in Dallas on this message board would be met with tar, feathers, pitchforks and a hangman's noose for good measure.

I realize that there are posters who also post things that are so far fetched that they are outside the realm of any rational thinking, but that is not what I am talking about here.

One such example is the proposition that Elliott should be the pick at #4 overall. Many have suggested that was too high to pick a running back, because it is not worth the cap hit, etc. I'm not proposing that is a great idea, just one of a myriad of examples of the types of issues that this mob mentality here so vehemently opposes.

I am not really sure why some posters are so narrow minded that they can't at least consider the validity of another poster's viewpoint. The whole purpose of the draft is TO ASSEMBLE A BETTER TEAM TO WIN NOW AND IN THE LONG RUN.

I'm not sure if Elliott is any good or not, so I don't really have a strong opinion on it one way or the other. I can tell you that if the Cowboy's staff grades Elliott to be as good as Adrian Peterson then I would have no problem taking him as high as #1 overall, especially in light of the assemblage of this young, talented offensive line. I also understand that there are trade offs to doing that, and I can understand how another poster might say sure Verdict, I see your point, but what if we don't have a QB to hand him the ball to keep offenses honest? Both are valid concerns and points of view.

Another example of this "inside the box only" thinking is we shouldn't draft Ramsey to play safety at #4 overall because safeties are not worth that cap hit. Similarly, many people said don't draft Martin so high because guards are not worthy of such a high pick. Or what about the "We over drafted Fred Beard" camp?

The truth is that you can't pigeon hole things into a formula. I know this is a copycat league, but in reality being a copycat isn't what wins championships. Picking the best players (at what ever position they are found) and maximizing their talents and putting them in a position to succeed is what wins championships.

Mr. Madison, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

[jobberone]

There are generalities that hold true but they are guidelines not inviolate laws.

Keep in mind the avg careers of a RB say vs a DB or a QB. Then correlate that with the general risk of injury for each. RBs stand a higher risk of injury than either. What is the relative worth of a superior player at each position? What is the relative worth of each to making the playoffs.

I know when I say there is no RB in this draft I'd pick at four I preface that with the relative worth of RBs to making one's goal of winning a SB or just getting to the playoffs which is the primary goal each season. They just aren't high on the list in the present NFL.

So I personally don't have an agenda other than to win. If a top RB gets you there go get him. This year while my short term goal is first to improve the pass rush, I like the long term goal of acquiring a QB.

 

[darthseinfeld]

There are generalities that hold true but they are guidelines not inviolate laws.

Keep in mind the avg careers of a RB say vs a DB or a QB. Then correlate that with the general risk of injury for each. RBs stand a higher risk of injury than either. What is the relative worth of a superior player at each position? What is the relative worth of each to making the playoffs.

I know when I say there is no RB in this draft I'd pick at four I preface that with the relative worth of RBs to making one's goal of winning a SB or just getting to the playoffs which is the primary goal each season. They just aren't high on the list in the present NFL.

So I personally don't have an agenda other than to win. If a top RB gets you there go get him. This year while my short term goal is first to improve the pass rush, I like the long term goal of acquiring a QB.

Odds are very small that Ezekiel Elliott is NOT an unrestricted free agent in 2021

 

[MichaelWinicki]

There are generalities that hold true but they are guidelines not inviolate laws.

Keep in mind the avg careers of a RB say vs a DB or a QB. Then correlate that with the general risk of injury for each. RBs stand a higher risk of injury than either. What is the relative worth of a superior player at each position? What is the relative worth of each to making the playoffs.

I know when I say there is no RB in this draft I'd pick at four I preface that with the relative worth of RBs to making one's goal of winning a SB or just getting to the playoffs which is the primary goal each season. They just aren't high on the list in the present NFL.

So I personally don't have an agenda other than to win. If a top RB gets you there go get him. This year while my short term goal is first to improve the pass rush, I like the long term goal of acquiring a QB.

That's the problem right there...

RB's have such a short career anymore. I just can't justify in my mind dropping a #4 overall on one.

Look at the number of "bellcows" that lost playing time last season... the number is large.

And with the concussion protocol rules, if a back gets up a little wobbly he's out.

On top of that the guys that end up carrying the ball 300+ times a season simply don't last long.

I'd rather have just about any other position.

 

[TwoDeep3]

One of the best things about this forum is the varied, diverse views expressed by the various factions on this board. While much of it it agenda driven, and is the same old tired act, this board also has some fresh views of things that says why can't we do "XYZ" which often raises some interesting thought provoking questions.

Foe example when Mike Ditka used "Refrigerator Perry" as a blocker/running back in his super bowl run with the Bears it was imaginative and more importantly successful. I have no doubt that if someone on this message board suggested such a thing happen in Dallas on this message board would be met with tar, feathers, pitchforks and a hangman's noose for good measure.

I realize that there are posters who also post things that are so far fetched that they are outside the realm of any rational thinking, but that is not what I am talking about here.

One such example is the proposition that Elliott should be the pick at #4 overall. Many have suggested that was too high to pick a running back, because it is not worth the cap hit, etc. I'm not proposing that is a great idea, just one of a myriad of examples of the types of issues that this mob mentality here so vehemently opposes.

I am not really sure why some posters are so narrow minded that they can't at least consider the validity of another poster's viewpoint. The whole purpose of the draft is TO ASSEMBLE A BETTER TEAM TO WIN NOW AND IN THE LONG RUN.

I'm not sure if Elliott is any good or not, so I don't really have a strong opinion on it one way or the other. I can tell you that if the Cowboy's staff grades Elliott to be as good as Adrian Peterson then I would have no problem taking him as high as #1 overall, especially in light of the assemblage of this young, talented offensive line. I also understand that there are trade offs to doing that, and I can understand how another poster might say sure Verdict, I see your point, but what if we don't have a QB to hand him the ball to keep offenses honest? Both are valid concerns and points of view.

Another example of this "inside the box only" thinking is we shouldn't draft Ramsey to play safety at #4 overall because safeties are not worth that cap hit. Similarly, many people said don't draft Martin so high because guards are not worthy of such a high pick. Or what about the "We over drafted Fred Beard" camp?

The truth is that you can't pigeon hole things into a formula. I know this is a copycat league, but in reality being a copycat isn't what wins championships. Picking the best players (at what ever position they are found) and maximizing their talents and putting them in a position to succeed is what wins championships.

Here is a rebuttal of your mob mentality.

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d.../sturms-mailbag-friday-part-1-thoughts-pick-4

 

[Nightman]

One of the best things about this forum is the varied, diverse views expressed by the various factions on this board. While much of it it agenda driven, and is the same old tired act, this board also has some fresh views of things that says why can't we do "XYZ" which often raises some interesting thought provoking questions.

Foe example when Mike Ditka used "Refrigerator Perry" as a blocker/running back in his super bowl run with the Bears it was imaginative and more importantly successful. I have no doubt that if someone on this message board suggested such a thing happen in Dallas on this message board would be met with tar, feathers, pitchforks and a hangman's noose for good measure.

I realize that there are posters who also post things that are so far fetched that they are outside the realm of any rational thinking, but that is not what I am talking about here.

One such example is the proposition that Elliott should be the pick at #4 overall. Many have suggested that was too high to pick a running back, because it is not worth the cap hit, etc. I'm not proposing that is a great idea, just one of a myriad of examples of the types of issues that this mob mentality here so vehemently opposes.

I am not really sure why some posters are so narrow minded that they can't at least consider the validity of another poster's viewpoint. The whole purpose of the draft is TO ASSEMBLE A BETTER TEAM TO WIN NOW AND IN THE LONG RUN.

I'm not sure if Elliott is any good or not, so I don't really have a strong opinion on it one way or the other. I can tell you that if the Cowboy's staff grades Elliott to be as good as Adrian Peterson then I would have no problem taking him as high as #1 overall, especially in light of the assemblage of this young, talented offensive line. I also understand that there are trade offs to doing that, and I can understand how another poster might say sure Verdict, I see your point, but what if we don't have a QB to hand him the ball to keep offenses honest? Both are valid concerns and points of view.

Another example of this "inside the box only" thinking is we shouldn't draft Ramsey to play safety at #4 overall because safeties are not worth that cap hit. Similarly, many people said don't draft Martin so high because guards are not worthy of such a high pick. Or what about the "We over drafted Fred Beard" camp?

The truth is that you can't pigeon hole things into a formula. I know this is a copycat league, but in reality being a copycat isn't what wins championships. Picking the best players (at what ever position they are found) and maximizing their talents and putting them in a position to succeed is what wins championships.

Ditka was just copying the 49ers who used an OG as a FB against them the previous year. I forget his name.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Ditka was just copying the 49ers who used an OG as a FB against them the previous year. I forget his name.

Guy McIntyre maybe.

 

[CCBoy]

Straight up, why doesn't Dallas employ the use of Leary as the fullback on short yardage situations?

 

[Kaiser]

I think it all comes down to value. IMO we would be better off trading from 4 down to the 8 - 12 range and we would still be able to pick up a good player like Elliot, but if you think its value to take someone like Ramsey or Elliot then do it. If Goff is Drew Brees, take him. If Ramsey really is another Ed Reed, he is worth it. If Elliot really is equal (overall, not in running alone) to Gurley, take him at 4.

But I still think the best value is to trade down. Every pick is a unique judgement all its own.

 

[coult44]

One of the best things about this forum is the varied, diverse views expressed by the various factions on this board. While much of it it agenda driven, and is the same old tired act, this board also has some fresh views of things that says why can't we do "XYZ" which often raises some interesting thought provoking questions.

Foe example when Mike Ditka used "Refrigerator Perry" as a blocker/running back in his super bowl run with the Bears it was imaginative and more importantly successful. I have no doubt that if someone on this message board suggested such a thing happen in Dallas on this message board would be met with tar, feathers, pitchforks and a hangman's noose for good measure.

I realize that there are posters who also post things that are so far fetched that they are outside the realm of any rational thinking, but that is not what I am talking about here.

One such example is the proposition that Elliott should be the pick at #4 overall. Many have suggested that was too high to pick a running back, because it is not worth the cap hit, etc. I'm not proposing that is a great idea, just one of a myriad of examples of the types of issues that this mob mentality here so vehemently opposes.

I am not really sure why some posters are so narrow minded that they can't at least consider the validity of another poster's viewpoint. The whole purpose of the draft is TO ASSEMBLE A BETTER TEAM TO WIN NOW AND IN THE LONG RUN.

I'm not sure if Elliott is any good or not, so I don't really have a strong opinion on it one way or the other. I can tell you that if the Cowboy's staff grades Elliott to be as good as Adrian Peterson then I would have no problem taking him as high as #1 overall, especially in light of the assemblage of this young, talented offensive line. I also understand that there are trade offs to doing that, and I can understand how another poster might say sure Verdict, I see your point, but what if we don't have a QB to hand him the ball to keep offenses honest? Both are valid concerns and points of view.

Another example of this "inside the box only" thinking is we shouldn't draft Ramsey to play safety at #4 overall because safeties are not worth that cap hit. Similarly, many people said don't draft Martin so high because guards are not worthy of such a high pick. Or what about the "We over drafted Fred Beard" camp?

The truth is that you can't pigeon hole things into a formula. I know this is a copycat league, but in reality being a copycat isn't what wins championships. Picking the best players (at what ever position they are found) and maximizing their talents and putting them in a position to succeed is what wins championships.

Very well said!! Also, if Zeke ends up being as good as AD, you will never find anyone here that will admit to not wanting to take him. Folks are so caught up in doing things the same old tired way, they aren't willing to think outside of the box. Even if the same old way has gotten us nowhere.

 

[Eddie]

Straight up, why doesn't Dallas employ the use of Leary as the fullback on short yardage situations?

Yep ...

Dat Nguyen to Safety.
Larry Allen to DT.
Ebenezer Ekuban to TE.

Works all the time.

 

[Jstopper]

Very well said!! Also, if Zeke ends up being as good as AD, you will never find anyone here that will admit to not wanting to take him. Folks are so caught up in doing things the same old tired way, they aren't willing to think outside of the box. Even if the same old way has gotten us nowhere.

And if he ends up as Julius Jones you won't find anyone admitting they were homering out for him this year either

 

[Craig]

The odds of getting a starter calibre player at running back in rounds 3 and 4 are as good at getting a starting calibre player at virtually any other non special teams position at 1 or 2. This and this alone is why i have no interest in spending the first round pick on a rb.

 

[coult44]

And if he ends up as Julius Jones you won't find anyone admitting they were homering out for him this year either

JJ was never compared to the best back in the NFL, nor was he any where close to the best rb in college. That was a JJ being JJ pick.

 

[skinsscalper]

JJ was never compared to the best back in the NFL, nor was he any where close to the best rb in college. That was a JJ being JJ pick.

I haven't seen anyone but the most hyperbolic homer compare Zeke to AP, either. He's not even in the same zip code.

 

[fortdick]

Sure glad the OP was objective and not agenda driven. I would have hated for him to push an agenda on the narrow minded folks that don't agree with this.

 

[CCBoy]

Yep ...

Dat Nguyen to Safety.
Larry Allen to DT.
Ebenezer Ekuban to TE.

Works all the time.

Get real, a guard pulls and fills in all the way to opposite guard to outside. That is normal duties for a guard.