The Blinders View Of Everything Cowboys

DFWJC

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JJ was never compared to the best back in the NFL, nor was he any where close to the best rb in college. That was a JJ being JJ pick.

Yeah, he should have said Trent Richardson instead of Julius Jones:D

lol
btw...I'm not one that'd have a fit if Dallas took Zeke....though I think he can easily had a bit later.
For me it was always Zeke plus a free 2nd or 3rd >>> Zeke at 4
 

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One of the best things about this forum is the varied, diverse views expressed by the various factions on this board. While much of it it agenda driven, and is the same old tired act, this board also has some fresh views of things that says why can't we do "XYZ" which often raises some interesting thought provoking questions.

Foe example when Mike Ditka used "Refrigerator Perry" as a blocker/running back in his super bowl run with the Bears it was imaginative and more importantly successful. I have no doubt that if someone on this message board suggested such a thing happen in Dallas on this message board would be met with tar, feathers, pitchforks and a hangman's noose for good measure.

I realize that there are posters who also post things that are so far fetched that they are outside the realm of any rational thinking, but that is not what I am talking about here.

One such example is the proposition that Elliott should be the pick at #4 overall. Many have suggested that was too high to pick a running back, because it is not worth the cap hit, etc. I'm not proposing that is a great idea, just one of a myriad of examples of the types of issues that this mob mentality here so vehemently opposes.

I am not really sure why some posters are so narrow minded that they can't at least consider the validity of another poster's viewpoint. The whole purpose of the draft is TO ASSEMBLE A BETTER TEAM TO WIN NOW AND IN THE LONG RUN.

I'm not sure if Elliott is any good or not, so I don't really have a strong opinion on it one way or the other. I can tell you that if the Cowboy's staff grades Elliott to be as good as Adrian Peterson then I would have no problem taking him as high as #1 overall, especially in light of the assemblage of this young, talented offensive line. I also understand that there are trade offs to doing that, and I can understand how another poster might say sure Verdict, I see your point, but what if we don't have a QB to hand him the ball to keep offenses honest? Both are valid concerns and points of view.

Another example of this "inside the box only" thinking is we shouldn't draft Ramsey to play safety at #4 overall because safeties are not worth that cap hit. Similarly, many people said don't draft Martin so high because guards are not worthy of such a high pick. Or what about the "We over drafted Fred Beard" camp?

The truth is that you can't pigeon hole things into a formula. I know this is a copycat league, but in reality being a copycat isn't what wins championships. Picking the best players (at what ever position they are found) and maximizing their talents and putting them in a position to succeed is what wins championships.

With regards to Elliott, let's be honest here and it's not just posters that have said the cap hit for Elliott at #4 is too much.

The Cowboys, themselves, have said and done things that give credence to the thought that they won't take Elliott at 4.
 

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One of the best things about this forum is the varied, diverse views expressed by the various factions on this board. While much of it it agenda driven, and is the same old tired act, this board also has some fresh views of things that says why can't we do "XYZ" which often raises some interesting thought provoking questions.

Foe example when Mike Ditka used "Refrigerator Perry" as a blocker/running back in his super bowl run with the Bears it was imaginative and more importantly successful. I have no doubt that if someone on this message board suggested such a thing happen in Dallas on this message board would be met with tar, feathers, pitchforks and a hangman's noose for good measure.

I realize that there are posters who also post things that are so far fetched that they are outside the realm of any rational thinking, but that is not what I am talking about here.

One such example is the proposition that Elliott should be the pick at #4 overall. Many have suggested that was too high to pick a running back, because it is not worth the cap hit, etc. I'm not proposing that is a great idea, just one of a myriad of examples of the types of issues that this mob mentality here so vehemently opposes.

I am not really sure why some posters are so narrow minded that they can't at least consider the validity of another poster's viewpoint. The whole purpose of the draft is TO ASSEMBLE A BETTER TEAM TO WIN NOW AND IN THE LONG RUN.

I'm not sure if Elliott is any good or not, so I don't really have a strong opinion on it one way or the other. I can tell you that if the Cowboy's staff grades Elliott to be as good as Adrian Peterson then I would have no problem taking him as high as #1 overall, especially in light of the assemblage of this young, talented offensive line. I also understand that there are trade offs to doing that, and I can understand how another poster might say sure Verdict, I see your point, but what if we don't have a QB to hand him the ball to keep offenses honest? Both are valid concerns and points of view.

Another example of this "inside the box only" thinking is we shouldn't draft Ramsey to play safety at #4 overall because safeties are not worth that cap hit. Similarly, many people said don't draft Martin so high because guards are not worthy of such a high pick. Or what about the "We over drafted Fred Beard" camp?

The truth is that you can't pigeon hole things into a formula. I know this is a copycat league, but in reality being a copycat isn't what wins championships. Picking the best players (at what ever position they are found) and maximizing their talents and putting them in a position to succeed is what wins championships.

I have to agree, I dont think you pick one player over another because they will last longer.
I think need has to factor in somewhat.

The main thing is evaluating just how good the player is, and that is not always easy to do.

I dont know much about elliot either, but if he is capable of being a great back then I would consider him at 4.

Or if you want him, but not at 4 then you can gamble and trade back.
I read that some have philly taking him @ 8

I think it is a moot point though as Cowboys seem to not want a round 1 RB or QB. at least not at 4th pick.
I think they want defensive player at 4 .

Plus I think Cowboys might be content with morris and McF, and maybe a lower rd RB.

This why it would have been good to get murray back as cowboys would know exactly what he can and cant do, and how
they would use him, and he already knew the plays and system and linemen.

But that ship has sailed, so it would be fun to see a explosive RB behind our OL this year, but I doubt that happens.
the 2 we have should do ok, but it wont be as exciting as having elliot or henry.
 

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I have to agree, I dont think you pick one player over another because they will last longer.
I think need has to factor in somewhat.

The main thing is evaluating just how good the player is, and that is not always easy to do.

I dont know much about elliot either, but if he is capable of being a great back then I would consider him at 4.

Or if you want him, but not at 4 then you can gamble and trade back.
I read that some have philly taking him @ 8

I think it is a moot point though as Cowboys seem to not want a round 1 RB or QB. at least not at 4th pick.
I think they want defensive player at 4 .

Plus I think Cowboys might be content with morris and McF, and maybe a lower rd RB.

This why it would have been good to get murray back as cowboys would know exactly what he can and cant do, and how
they would use him, and he already knew the plays and system and linemen.

But that ship has sailed, so it would be fun to see a explosive RB behind our OL this year, but I doubt that happens.
the 2 we have should do ok, but it wont be as exciting as having elliot or henry.

Moreover Emmitt Smith, Walter Peyton, Adrian Peterson and many others would also argue that the alleged shelf life of a running back is currently being overblown. The average running back is staying in the league for a shorter duration than the historical average, but elite running backs aren't being treated like litter. What did the Vikings say it would take to pry away Peterson from them? Wasn't it two first round picks??
 

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For me I have been saying since the end of the season that I would hope the Cowboys will take a top QB in this draft, this of course is just my opinion. However I look at several prospect that are considered top 5 players like Zeke, Bosa, Ramsey and Myles Jack all players I think can make this team better and while it may not be the player I would take they are the types of players I would welcome and support as a fan.
 

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Very well said!! Also, if Zeke ends up being as good as AD, you will never find anyone here that will admit to not wanting to take him. Folks are so caught up in doing things the same old tired way, they aren't willing to think outside of the box. Even if the same old way has gotten us nowhere.

Here is the issue with taking Elliot. We may NEVER be this high again in the next 10 years. We need a QB for the future and a pass rusher. You dont get those guys outside of the top 5 typically. So if we take the RB NOW, when the hell are we going to get the QB and the DE or the CB for that matter? Even if we draft Elliott, we arent winning any SB's anytime soon with this defense. And in 2 years when Romo is toast are we going to run 50 times a game? It just seems like you take the stud RB in the first round when he is one of the last pieces to the puzzle. Not when you are in the beginning of a rebuild or not even half way through it.
 

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Well, I'm confused. On one hand this would be good. On another this could be... Many good points by many good posters. Even some bad posters making some good points.

I'm not really sure what I want. I'll stick with of Ramsey is there get him. After that I don't know. Elliot with our line sounds very good. Rb's career lifespan seems bad. QB of the future sounds good. Is there one here outside of Wentz? Or is he even that good? I didn't think Bosa was good. Some swear he is a can't miss.


Im pretty much at the same place as you.


But, I want a QB. I want them to go QB with a #4. Although If they are looking at these guys and they decide its a "Big No", then....don't pick a QB.

I like Elliott a lot. But I'm a big OS fan. I've seen him play. I like Elliott and think he will transfer over to the NFL much like Gurley did......Who doesn't want a Gurley?

I would stay away from Bosa.

having said all that......I want a QB. A young QB to develop for a few years...... I DONT want him thrown to the wolves, so to say. I want him developed......
 

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Straight up, why doesn't Dallas employ the use of Leary as the fullback on short yardage situations?

Yes. It's too simple and would save the roster spot. Wonder how many snaps Ckutts played. It's a wasted roster spot. The Patriots would and and it would work. Belicheck and staff would make sure it worked.
 
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