The Buehler Effect

[TD-33]

Jerry spent a fifth round pick on a kicker. :bang2:






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this is sarcasm

 

[joseephuss]

Jerry spent a fifth round pick on a kicker. :bang2:






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Jerry spent his 11th pick of the draft on a kicker. Nothing to be frustrated about.

 

[joseephuss]

Those aren't correct. Last year, our opponents' average starting line after kickoffs was the 29.3, which ranked 29th. This year, it's the 21.8, which ranks third.

Thanks. I figured you had the actual rankings somewhere.

 

[craig71]

Jerry spent a fifth round pick on a kicker. :bang2:






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And Al spent a first round pick on kicker once upon a time too.The 17th overall pick at that.

Craig

 

[DallasEast]

And Al spent a first round pick on kicker once upon a time too.The 17th overall pick at that.

Craig

I was about to ask whether you meant kicker or punter, then I finally remembered Janikowski. Brain fart.

 

[craig71]

I was about to ask whether you meant kicker or punter, then I finally remembered Janikowski. Brain fart.

I forgot about Ray Guy. 1st. round 23rd pick overall.

So Al has taken both a punter and a kicker in the 1st. round.

Craig

 

[DallasEast]

I forgot about Ray Guy. 1st. round 23rd pick overall.

So Al has taken both a punter and a kicker in the 1st. round.

Craig

I've always felt that it's a crying shame that Guy hasn't made it into the Hall. He's been eligible since the early 90's. Crazy.

 

[AdamJT13]

Thanks. I figured you had the actual rankings somewhere.

Here are this year's stats --

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=windsorstar&page=/nfl/stat/nfl-kickoffs.htm

 

[Big Country]

Hostile's little toe >>> Bob's abs

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[UVAwahoos]

And Al spent a first round pick on kicker once upon a time too.The 17th overall pick at that.

Craig

:laugh2:


I love how Al Davis is being used to somehow make Jerry look more intelligent.

Whoever scouted Buehler and convinced Jerry to draft him is the person who deserves the true credit here.

1) for talent eval
2) for reasoning with an insane GM

 

[Future]

How can you be first in the league in touchbacks, and sixth in the league in yards per kick?

That seems strange to me.

 

[Hostile]

Plus Coach Joe DeCamillis deserves some credit, too.

These are the big stats for the kickoff coverage team.

13 touchbacks ranks 1st
(ranked 32nd in 2008)

37.1% of kickoffs that are touchbacks ranks 4th
(ranked 32nd in 2008)

68.1 yards average kickoff ranks 6th
(ranked 31st in 2008)

20.9 yards per kick that is returned ranks 6th
(ranked 6th in 2008)

21.76 yard line is opponents average starting field position from either returns, touchbacks and kicks out of bounds ranks 2nd
(31.00 yard line ranked 31st in 2008) I had to edit these two numbers. Messed up my calcs just a little, but the rankings did not change.

I am not complaining, but that % is a little below his predicted output. I didn't think there was any way he could put 60% or better back there, but he may actually climb that number the way he is kicking off.

It helps us win. That much we can agree on.

 

[Hoofbite]

There was a thread last December about how Folk didn't get the Pro Bowl vote.

Some were saying he didn't deserve it, some saying he did.

Anyway I went and took a look at some other kickers stats and there was 1 guy who jumped out at me. Dude from Carolina because he was a TB machine.

I was looking at some other kickers stats and I hadn't ever noticed that Carolina has a kick off specialist with 24 TBs on the season. Every 3rd kick is a TB.

Thats pretty awesome for them. I know you would have to use a spot for a guy like that but hell I'd take a TB every game.

His KOs on average land at the 2-3 yard line and with a return average of 22, when teams do get a chance to take a KO, they usually start at the 25.

Folk usually hits the 10 and with an identical return average, opponents of Dallas usually start at the 32-33.

When you factor in that guys TBs as average starting position, the other teams usually starts at the 23. Just about 10 yards difference and with 5 kicks per game, were looking at half the field this guy adding on.

Using a roster spot on a KO specialists isn't the ideal thing to do but when you can get that kind of production from the guy, its almost foolish not to. There is always a player on the team who pretty much stands around all game on the sidelines anyway.

Hell, I'd shuttle Carpenter out in a heartbeat if you could get me a leg that would add tilt field position 50 yards in my favor.

Pretty crazy to think Buehler is better than that guy.

We can joke all we want about how much of a hard *** Chuck Norris clone he is but this guy might end up being one of the best moves Dallas made last year.

Not only is he kicking the piss out of the ball, he's putting the ball in the corner of the end zone. Anyone else notice how close he puts some of those kicks to the sideline in the end zone?

Awesome pick up for this team.

 

[Bleu Star]

Plus Coach Joe DeCamillis deserves some credit, too.

These are the big stats for the kickoff coverage team.

13 touchbacks ranks 1st
(ranked 32nd in 2008)

37.1% of kickoffs that are touchbacks ranks 4th
(ranked 32nd in 2008)

68.1 yards average kickoff ranks 6th
(ranked 31st in 2008)

20.9 yards per kick that is returned ranks 6th
(ranked 6th in 2008)

21.76 yard line is opponents average starting field position from either returns, touchbacks and kicks out of bounds ranks 2nd
(31.00 yard line ranked 31st in 2008) I had to edit these two numbers. Messed up my calcs just a little, but the rankings did not change.

Buehler and DeCamillis are the MVPs thus far IMO. They've taken an area of grave disappointment in recent years and made it into an area of strength, Joe D really has a knack for getting the most out of his guys. Gotta love a coach with that quality. I bet a lot of those guys playing STs would run through a brick wall for Coach D.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Buehler and DeCamillis are the MVPs thus far IMO. They've taken an area of grave disappointment in recent years and made it into an area of strength, Joe D really has a knack for getting the most out of his guys. Gotta love a coach with that quality. I bet a lot of those guys playing STs would run through a brick wall for Coach D.

what's so sad, is that kick-coverage is so elementary, just stay in your lane, and charge up the field

it infuriated me watching the last couple of years, how they would run up and freeze, and end up getting juked out of their socks, or getting completely ran by

 

[maxdallasfan]

IMO, getting Buehler was genius. How many times last year did this team take the lead, only to kick it off, and have the opponent return it to the 35? Countless times.

I wish I knew the actual numbers, but I thiink the chance of scoring once you get to the 20, 25, 30 and 35 increases dramatically.

 

[BourbonBalz]

I've always felt that it's a crying shame that Guy hasn't made it into the Hall. He's been eligible since the early 90's. Crazy.

One of the most glaring omissions from the Hall. The greatest of all time at ANY position should be in the Hall without question. Last I recalled, punter is an actual position on all NFL teams. He was a tremendous weapon for the Raiders. They controlled field position with him for years.

 

[TD-33]

IMO, getting Buehler was genius. How many times last year did this team take the lead, only to kick it off, and have the opponent return it to the 35? Countless times.

I wish I knew the actual numbers, but I thiink the chance of scoring once you get to the 20, 25, 30 and 35 increases dramatically.

Too many times.

 

[Quarterback Coach]

Plus Coach Joe DeCamillis deserves some credit, too.

These are the big stats for the kickoff coverage team.

13 touchbacks ranks 1st
(ranked 32nd in 2008)

37.1% of kickoffs that are touchbacks ranks 4th
(ranked 32nd in 2008)

68.1 yards average kickoff ranks 6th
(ranked 31st in 2008)

20.9 yards per kick that is returned ranks 6th
(ranked 6th in 2008)

21.76 yard line is opponents average starting field position from either returns, touchbacks and kicks out of bounds ranks 2nd
(31.00 yard line ranked 31st in 2008) I had to edit these two numbers. Messed up my calcs just a little, but the rankings did not change.

and I got blasted for yelling at bruce read huh?

 

[AdamJT13]

I am not complaining, but that % is a little below his predicted output. I didn't think there was any way he could put 60% or better back there, but he may actually climb that number the way he is kicking off.

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