The Calvin Johnson Rule Does Not Apply

[tyke1doe]

I ove when people like you try to act smart. Is comical.
The call wasnt "upheld". It was over turned. Your attempt at symantics is lame and your understanding even of the basics of this play is wrong.

And I find it ironic that people who scoff at others who try to act "smart" can't even spell simple words.

Second, I find it amusing that you didn't answer any of my questions as it relates to your ability to judge this matter based on your experience. Instead, you want to focus on my use of the word "upheld."
I may not have used the exact or appropriate word, but it doesn't change the point. The ref ultimately ruled that Dez did not catch the ball. Whether I used the term "upheld," "verified," "supported," "agreed," etc., doesn't change what happened.

And you can yell all you want about my opinion being wrong. This one thing is true: the refs concluded Dez didn't catch the ball. The Cowboys didn't get the ball at the one-yard line, and they are sitting home this Sunday. And they're the authorities and the ones who get to call the shots. It doesn't matter what you think, or I think. They made the call. And they aren't going to be overruled.

How's that for semantics?

 

[DogFace]

Because unlike you, I won't render an opinion until I have all the facts. Why would I comment on the two plays if I didn't view the Bengals play? That doesn't really make much sense. But since you're droned on and on about it, I'll check it out when I get home. It seems ssssoooo important to you that I comment on a play I haven't seen. If it means that much to you, I'll watch you and give you my opinion later.

The Bengals play is posted on here. Why couldn't you watch it like many others involved in the discussion did?
Maybe because you weren't paying attention. I would guess this has been accused of you before. It could be part of the reason why you're not able to quite "get it" in a lot of situations. Since you commented on this play several times and I told you at least a couple of times that this play was very similar and now on here in its very own easy to read thread and you still didnt even try to learn is puzzling. It also casts doubt on your ability to even umpire children effectively.
The Internet is for learning. It's full of willing teachers. I politely ask you to give it a chance.
Thank you. GO COWBOYS!!!!!!!!

 

[ConstantReboot]

The Bengals play is posted on here. Why couldn't you watch it like many others involved in the discussion did?
Maybe because you weren't paying attention. I would guess this has been accused of you before. It could be part of the reason why you're not able to quite "get it" in a lot of situations. Since you commented on this play several times and I told you at least a couple of times that this play was very similar and now on here in its very own easy to read thread and you still didnt even try to learn is puzzling. It also casts doubt on your ability to even umpire children effectively.
The Internet is for learning. It's full of willing teachers. I politely ask you to give it a chance.
Thank you. GO COWBOYS!!!!!!!!

I think he won't. He is set into thinking he is right and won't budge even though that the evidence in his argument makes no sense. He is just clouded by the media mind machine and brainwashed into thinking that they made the right call - which they didn't.

He is just arguing on the wrong side and won't admit it. Its just human nature. I suggest you don't get worked up over it. But its cool you try and set him straight and I wish you luck though. I know where your coming from and Im with you here.....

 

[DogFace]

And I find it ironic that people who scoff at others who try to act "smart" can't even spell simple words.

Second, I find it amusing that you didn't answer any of my questions as it relates to your ability to judge this matter based on your experience. Instead, you want to focus on my use of the word "upheld."
I may not have used the exact or appropriate word, but it doesn't change the point. The ref ultimately ruled that Dez did not catch the ball. Whether I used the term "upheld," "verified," "supported," "agreed," etc., doesn't change what happened.

And you can yell all you want about my opinion being wrong. This one thing is true: the refs concluded Dez didn't catch the ball. The Cowboys didn't get the ball at the one-yard line, and they are sitting home this Sunday. And they're the authorities and the ones who get to call the shots. It doesn't matter what you think, or I think. They made the call. And they aren't going to be overruled.

How's that for semantics?

In football officiating the terms upheld and overturned have two very very big distinctions reguarding the ruling.

 

[tyke1doe]

The Bengals play is posted on here. Why couldn't you watch it like many others involved in the discussion did?
Maybe because you weren't paying attention. I would guess this has been accused of you before. It could be part of the reason why you're not able to quite "get it" in a lot of situations. Since you commented on this play several times and I told you at least a couple of times that this play was very similar and now on here in its very own easy to read thread and you still didnt even try to learn is puzzling. It also casts doubt on your ability to even umpire children effectively.
The Internet is for learning. It's full of willing teachers. I politely ask you to give it a chance.
Thank you. GO COWBOYS!!!!!!!!

Uh, because my work disables video threads. Uh, because when I get home I'm focused on helping my sons with their homework and other responsibilities a dad and a husband has.

Second, I told you initially, I really didn't care about the other play. YOU want to argue that play. I merely answered your questions. And then you seemingly started getting mad because I didn't look at the video nor did I seek to compare it to the Dez catch. I'm sorry if that bothered you, but I don't jump just because you say so.

Third, it's quite hilarious that you would now attack my ability to umpire children's games. You're wounded and frustrated. And so when people are wounded and frustrated, they lash out and target things not even at issue. Your comments don't define my reality. If I were not a good umpire, I wouldn't be umpiring. But you don't have control over that. The umpires who head our organization do. So nothing you say really is even relevant. What it basically does is expose you as immature. And what immature people do is they lash out and attack their opponents regarding areas of their personal life that are outside their understanding, experience and knowledge.

It's really sad to see you descend to this level.

 

[DogFace]

I think he won't. He is set into thinking he is right and won't budge even though that the evidence in his argument makes no sense. He is just clouded by the media mind machine and brainwashed into thinking that they made the right call - which they didn't.

He is just arguing on the wrong side and won't admit it. Its just human nature. I suggest you don't get worked up over it. But its cool you try and set him straight and I wish you luck though. I know where your coming from and Im with you here.....

I shouldn't but I enjoy this.

 

[DogFace]

Uh, because my work disables video threads. Uh, because when I get home I'm focused on helping my sons with their homework and other responsibilities a dad and a husband has.

Second, I told you initially, I really didn't care about the other play. YOU want to argue that play. I merely answered your questions. And then you seemingly started getting mad because I didn't look at the video nor did I seek to compare it to the Dez catch. I'm sorry if that bothered you, but I don't jump just because you say so.

Third, it's quite hilarious that you would now attack my ability to umpire children's games. You're wounded and frustrated. And so when people are wounded and frustrated, they lash out and target things not even at issue. Your comments don't define my reality. If I were not a good umpire, I wouldn't be umpiring. But you don't have control over that. The umpires who head our organization do. So nothing you say really is even relevant. What it basically does is expose you as immature. And what immature people do is they lash out and attack their opponents regarding areas of their personal life that are outside their understanding, experience and knowledge.

It's really sad to see you descend to this level.

You have been working the last three days. Good Job!!
Most people who aren't good at something think that they are. That's the root of most of their problems.

 

[DogFace]

Uh, because my work disables video threads. Uh, because when I get home I'm focused on helping my sons with their homework and other responsibilities a dad and a husband has.

Second, I told you initially, I really didn't care about the other play. YOU want to argue that play. I merely answered your questions. And then you seemingly started getting mad because I didn't look at the video nor did I seek to compare it to the Dez catch. I'm sorry if that bothered you, but I don't jump just because you say so.

Third, it's quite hilarious that you would now attack my ability to umpire children's games. You're wounded and frustrated. And so when people are wounded and frustrated, they lash out and target things not even at issue. Your comments don't define my reality. If I were not a good umpire, I wouldn't be umpiring. But you don't have control over that. The umpires who head our organization do. So nothing you say really is even relevant. What it basically does is expose you as immature. And what immature people do is they lash out and attack their opponents regarding areas of their personal life that are outside their understanding, experience and knowledge.

It's really sad to see you descend to this level.

I'm sorry I made you sad. I take it back. Can we be friends?

I'm sure you know what you're talking about when you discuss how immature people react.

 

[tyke1doe]

I think he won't. He is set into thinking he is right and won't budge even though that the evidence in his argument makes no sense. He is just clouded by the media mind machine and brainwashed into thinking that they made the right call - which they didn't.

When in doubt, blame the media.

He is just arguing on the wrong side and won't admit it. Its just human nature. I suggest you don't get worked up over it. But its cool you try and set him straight and I wish you luck though. I know where your coming from and Im with you here.....

Don't you find it a bit strange - and slightly weird - that you all are so concerned that I have it wrong and need to get it right? I'm one person with an opinion. I was asked a question, and I answered. But because my opinion doesn't square with yours and because I don't back down, this has all become an issue of what I think.

As I said before, it doesn't really matter what you or I think. The refs concluded that Dez didn't catch the ball. And that's it. You can say they were wrong. You can say you are right. It really doesn't matter. The people who have the ultimate say have already ruled.

 

[tyke1doe]

You have been working the last three days. Good Job!!
Most people who aren't good at something think that they are. That's the root of most of their problems.

Huh?

 

[tyke1doe]

In football officiating the terms upheld and overturned have two very very big distinctions reguarding the ruling.

But what was the final conclusion: No catch.

 

[tyke1doe]

I'm sorry I made you sad. I take it back. Can we be friends?

I'm sure you know what you're talking about when you discuss how immature people react.

You're funny.

 

[DogFace]

Huh?

Huh?

You said you couldn't watch it because your job wisely censors what they let you do at work. Thought you could've watched it when it was brought up yesterday or the day before. Sorry.

 

[DogFace]

But what was the final conclusion: No catch.

That was wrong.

 

[ConstantReboot]

When in doubt, blame the media.

Don't you find it a bit strange - and slightly weird - that you all are so concerned that I have it wrong and need to get it right? I'm one person with an opinion. I was asked a question, and I answered. But because my opinion doesn't square with yours and because I don't back down, this has all become an issue of what I think.

As I said before, it doesn't really matter what you or I think. The refs concluded that Dez didn't catch the ball. And that's it. You can say they were wrong. You can say you are right. It really doesn't matter. The people who have the ultimate say have already ruled.

Who said I'm blaming the media? I don't blame things on people or things. I stand up for what I know whats right and I don't let the media influence me with my own decisions.

Lastly, of course it matters what I think.Thats because I can make up my own mind on whats right and whats wrong and don't rely on TV to tell me so. You shouldn't either. It has nothing to do with conspiracies or UFOs. Its being honest and genuine. Something I'm sure can use a bit of help with.

Do I have to let it rest? No I don't. Does it make me upset at all about the call? Of course it does. Thats why I'm speaking out and won't rest until I get answers. We should all be like that as humans - to find out why that went wrong and don't stop until you find answers. Some people though are just mindless drones that are told what to think and do by the media and thats fine. But I'm certainly don't want to be that.

 

[tyke1doe]

You said you couldn't watch it because your job wisely censors what they let you do at work. Thought you could've watched it when it was brought up yesterday or the day before. Sorry.

I've been responding from work for the most part. I have a split screen so I can work on my assignments and occasionally check in. But videos are out because we deal with proprietary information. In fact, I went to check today, but couldn't pull it up.

 

[tyke1doe]

That was wrong.

Who determines right or wrong? The authorities that make the decision.
Otherwise, we're all just sharing opinions. And what makes your opinion correct?

See, this is the distinction between right and wrong and opinion. When you're dealing with right and wrong, it has to be backed up with authority, particularly an authority that has the power to enforce right and wrong.

You don't have that power. I don't have that power. The refs have that power, and the league has that power.

That's the distinguishing difference.

 

[tyke1doe]

Who said I'm blaming the media? I don't blame things on people or things. I stand up for what I know whats right and I don't let the media influence me with my own decisions.

Uh, you did.

He is just clouded by the media mind machine and brainwashed into thinking that they made the right call - which they didn't.

Translation: He (me) thinks the way he does because he's been brainwashed into thinking this way by the media. In essence, you are blaming the media for the reason I believe the call was a no catch.

Lastly, of course it matters what I think.Thats because I can make up my own mind on whats right and whats wrong and don't rely on TV to tell me so. You shouldn't either. It has nothing to do with conspiracies or UFOs. Its being honest and genuine. Something I'm sure can use a bit of help with.

And others can make up their own mind that it wasn't a catch. And they can be just as honest and genuine.

Do I have to let it rest? No I don't. Does it make me upset at all about the call? Of course it does. Thats why I'm speaking out and won't rest until I get answers. We should all be like that as humans - to find out why that went wrong and don't stop until you find answers. Some people though are just mindless drones that are told what to think and do by the media and thats fine. But I'm certainly don't want to be that.

And some people are conspiracy theorists who see agendas and plots at every twist and turn. And I certainly don't want to be that.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Uh, you did.



Translation: He (me) thinks the way he does because he's been brainwashed into thinking this way by the media. In essence, you are blaming the media for the reason I believe the call was a no catch.



And others can make up their own mind that it wasn't a catch. And they can be just as honest and genuine.




And some people are conspiracy theorists who see agendas and plots at every twist and turn. And I certainly don't want to be that.

LOL please comprehend - can you at least do that? I did not blame the media and never said once it was their fault. I said they were wrong and I did not need to believe them. That my friend is not blaming the media. Its the ability for me to judge for myself.

Stop it with your diversion tactics. Like I said its okay to believe the media as if its real. Nothing wrong with that. But I feel sorry that its your basis for reality in life.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Of course, you would say so because you agree with him.



Or, maybe you're being overly sensitive. If you've read the thread carefully, you'll notice the progression of the conversation. I'm not the one that got offensive and overly sensitive.

I may have missed it. My apologies.

Second, you have no power to tell me what to do. You only have control over yourself. If you don't like what I say or you don't like my tone, then don't respond. It's simple as that.

I agree completely.

I'm always learning. I hope you are too.



So let me get this straight. You say that my comment is BS. Then you say a lot of them are "towing a line". Hhhhhmmm. So wouldn't that make my statement true? If a lot of them are towing the line, doesn't that also mean that I'm correct in saying they supported the call as it finally was rendered?

Fair enough and my fault for not communicating clearly. I view the phrase "towing the line" as a way out of , saying what they rally want to say which might put their financial life in jeopardy .

Second, it's interesting that you lecture me about trying to understand someone else's thought processes and then you say that the people who agreed Dez didn't catch the ball are "towing the line."

Uh, you're doing THE SAME THING. You are making an ASSUMPTION that because they agree with the call that they have a particular motivation for doing so.

Maybe,,,,

See, this is why I say you guys are merely arguing to be arguing. You don't even apply your own logic to your own conclusions.

No. No sir. we aren't on here all week and for days and days, arguing just to be arguing. At least I am not. I am upset! In shock that the NFL and others don't see, wont see , or are ignoring, what was clear as day , to me on the video, and in real time. I need to vent!

Yawn. So guys who are already on television are supporting the call because they want to get their names known? So they have 100 other priorities (and you would know this how?) and they're just following the crowd.

Because I have been alive an observant, for at least 15 years prior to the event.

And then we have your expert opinion about people's motives based on your filmsy evaluation that you've seen it "time and time again."
Have you ever worked on television? Written for a newspaper? Played in the NFL? Coached in the NFL? Have you ever been an official of any sport? Professional level?


You apparently have no idea how the world works, which is why you're so taken aback by my comments and my perspective.
Pulease.

lol. Do you know how the world works? Please enlighten us all.

I have played football since 8 years old to a sophomore in college, Div 2 and I am very proud of that. No , nothing special , but tough and hustle and well liked. And it does mean something. I have been around football my entire life. playing , watching, observing. That means something and if I have to explain why that meas something....., fuggga about it. I also officiated pee- wee leagues years ago. I hated it and sucked at it. didn't last long. I have also been a sports writer for a small town newspaper for a few year. Now. I am a 9-5 guy, and I have no illusions of being anything other then that. But, this aint my first time at the rodeo. Time has ensured that. And time = experience. And experience = Wisdom. Something I think we have lost sight of as most have "followed that corporate mantra" and become servile. Kind of like you. Hey tyke, smoking isnt bad for you, fracking sint harmful, there were WMD in Iraq..... Borderline political, we better watch ourselves.

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Really? Who proved this? Do they have anyone saying they are trying to cover up the call? You can't make a statement like that without proof of motive. You do understand that a component of a crime is motive? Just because things APPEAR to be one way doesn't mean they are. You have to establish motive. So what motive do the refs have against the Cowboys?

This isnt the court of law Tyke, I am not a lawyer!!! Its just guys BSing... I can make just about any statement I want. You got something right though and u may have a point. It was a CRIME!!!! Thats for sure.

Please, your arguments are elementary in nature and conspiratorial at best. The only proof is that which exists in your Kool-aid drunken mind.

*snicker snicker snicker* - He said " elementary in nature "......
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And that's also the reason why our nation is as divided as it is. That is also the reason why people don't respect authority. Yes, indeed, what has happened to this country.

Not a convo for this forum or thread. and youre right.

If it was a catch, then the Cowboys would have received the ball at the one yard line. But the Cowboys didn't. Therefore, it wasn't a catch. Your opinion doesn't matter. The opinion of those who referee the game and upheld the call is the only thing that matters. Sorry.

Well you dont have to be mean about it!!!

I don't take things personally. I can take it and dish it. I just think you're mad because I don't acquiesce. Really, that's the heart of the issue here. You and those like you want everyone to view the call as incorrect and join the groupthink that the refs are out to get us.

what does "acquiesce" mean? my google machine keeps popping up to ....well, its embarrassing and I wont say....

I don't subscribe to that. Furthermore, you want me to be quiet. You want me to go away. You don't like it that I have an alternative opinion and that I can articulate my opinion. And because I'm stubborn and you're stubborn, you got personal. I didn't get personal - well, at least not first. I was merely articulating dynamics, i.e., why I didn't think the refs were being bias and the ref in question hypocritical. And because I speak and write articulately, you guys think I'm trying to "talk down" on others. Well, that's not my problem. Maybe you guys need to pick up more books and read and expand your vocabulary. I am who I am, and you are who you are. I'm not responsible for your feelings of inadequacies.

I was following you until those few sentences. And then I realized . Your bubble hasn't been popped. No worries It will.....just try not and get physically hurt.

Now we can continue this conversation or let sleeping dogs lie. It's up to you. I've not nearly exhausted the reservoir of my words.

I am sure you have plenty to say. But lets call that a truce. But, if you wanna retort, get last word in, go ahead.

You cant be all that Bad, your a Cowboys fan, right?