The case against Chip Kelly as head coach

[erod]

Nick Saban at Miami wanted Drew Brees.
the GM said no....and went with Daunte Culpepper instead.
if he lets Saban have Brees...he would never have left Miami.

So in other words, he needed an all-time great QB to be successful.

Too bad we're fresh out of that.

 

[erod]

And college before that.

His first NFL stint was pretty bad though.

It was dreadful.

 

[cowboygo]

For the life of me, I just don't understand all this momentum for Urban Meyer.

Forget for a moment that he basically got run out of Ohio State for knowingly covering up years of horrific domestic violence for a key assistant coach. Forget that he was coaching a bunch of really evil players at Florida and didn't care. Forget the myriad of sleezy recruiting tactics he's known for.

What makes him a good NFL coaching candidate? Nobody from college has had success at the NFL level since Jimmy (Pete Carroll was in the NFL for many years before his stint at USC). College isn't a good place to even look unless you pick a very specific type of football mind.

How would Urban Meyer even translate?

He's the prime definition of the RPO offense. It's all he's ever run. It requires the likes of JT Barrett and Tim Tebow to run it, and Dak hardly looks the part for such an offense. Even Alex Smith was pretty much a runner in college under Meyer.

This smells of Chip Kelly allure.

We saw Kelly bring an even more creative version of that offense to the NFL, and it fell SPLAT in the NFL. Despite accolades from everywhere, that was a crash-and-burn of epic proportions. To this day, analysts like Cris Collinsworth and Jon Gruden (at the time) are embarrassed about how they went gooey over Chip and the "new NFL offense of the future."

Did Urban ever run his QB under center? Did he have read routes for his receivers? Did he employ NFL-style play action? Did anything he ran look NFL worthy, or did he just out-recruit the pants off of everybody and run up gaudy numbers against far lesser players?

The same goes for Chris Peterson and that nonsense offense.

The ONLY college guy I would even consider is Lincoln Riley because he focuses on the run game first and utilizes his QB under center a ton. His is an NFL style offense with fresh passing ideas mixed in and a deep passing game.

For what it's worth, Riley toyed with Meyer in Columbus the last time they met.

But I don't think either of them are the right guy. Jerry needs to go NFL first, and big names at that. I start with Bill Belichick, Mike Zimmer, Sean Payton, Greg Roman, Robert Saleh, etc. Shoot for the moon in the dark of the night, then look for quality assistant coach candidates in the NFL after that.

Just don't fall for Chip Kelly, Steve Spurrier, Greg Schiano, Bobby Petrino Nick Saban, etc.

game planning and his football intellect is why he would be highly sought after.

 

[sean10mm]

It was dreadful.

Best thing it did was set up Belichick taking over the Patriots.

Then he gave the Patriots a ring... in Super Bowl 49

 

[erod]

superior talent at Bowling Green or Utah?
you must be a frustrated fan of a team who got its *** kicked repeatedly by Urban Legend.

I'm an OU fan, and I watched Baker plant the flag at midfield.

What great team did he beat at Bowling Green and Utah?

 

[Wolfpack]

What about his offense translates to the NFL?

In fact, Chip's offense translates better than Meyer's, and we saw how that turned out.

If you watch his teams he actually changes his system based on what players he has. I know that’s a shocking concept around here but his offensive at OSU was slightly different each year.

What I like about him is that he has coached all three areas of the game at some point and he is that obsessive type coach that gets all the details right to win. Like all the great coaches do.

 

[cowboyec]

Don Coryell was HC at San Diego St before getting HC job with St Louis Cardinals.
he was a damn good coach for along time.

 

[erod]

If you watch his teams he actually changes his system based on what players he has. I know that’s a shocking concept around here but his offensive at OSU was slightly different each year.

What I like about him is that he has coached all three areas of the game at some point and he is that obsessive type coach that gets all the details right to win. Like all the great coaches do.

Then why has nobody in the NFL called him yet?

 

[Hook'em#11]

And USC before that.

His first NFL stint was pretty bad though.

He was more of a collegiate assistant the first time around in College. Not quite HC. but, was an assistant at Pacific.

He did take the Pats to the SB though. lol

 

[erod]

Don Coryell was HC at San Diego St before getting HC job with St Louis Cardinals.
he was a damn good coach for along time.

That was a million years ago.

I'm sure we could dig up a lot of graves for examples from the 50s and 60s. Different game and different time.

 

[fivetwos]

Yeah as great as the name sounds, it's tough to think a college guy is a slam dunk.

Especially with such a "talented" team ready to compete now.

Ron Rivera is pretty much perfect, provided he can bring in someone to handle offense....oh and he is also allowed to.

If Jerry pulls his same usual crap and tries to sell the new guy on current assistants, expect more of the same regardless of who is hired.

 

[erod]

He was more of a collegiate assistant the first time around in College. Not quite HC. but, was an assistant at Pacific.

He did take the Pats to the SB though. lol

Carroll did not take the Pats to the super Bowl.

 

[cowboyec]

That was a million years ago.

I'm sure we could dig up a lot of graves for examples from the 50s and 60s. Different game and different time.

you said name one other than Jimmy.
I did.

 

[Wolfpack]

Then why has nobody in the NFL called him yet?

As far as know, he hadn’t expressed interest untill last month. You know how these guys all are, they take a break from the stress but get bored in a year or two. They all do.

 

[cowboyec]

That was a million years ago.

I'm sure we could dig up a lot of graves for examples from the 50s and 60s. Different game and different time.

70s.

 

[erod]

As far as know, he hadn’t expressed interest untill last month. You know how these guys all are, they take a break from the stress but get bored in a year or two. They all do.

He keeps taking breaks because he's running from recruiting and legal allegations.

No thanks.

 

[fivetwos]

Yeah as great as the name sounds, it's tough to think a college guy is a slam dunk.

Especially with such a "talented" team ready to compete now.

Ron Rivera is pretty much perfect, provided he can bring in someone to handle offense....oh and he is also allowed to.

If Jerry pulls his same usual crap and tries to sell the new guy on current assistants, expect more of the same regardless of who is hired.

.....and I fully expect Jones to pull exactly that and have his paws all over the staff, possibly hiring coordinators before the HC, and/or making keeping Moore around mandatory.

I really dont at all expect much out of the next regime. Itll be the one after this one when we finally have a CHANCE, although remains to be seen how much his unqualified kid insists he is also an NFL GM.

 

[erod]

70s.

Early 70s. As in, almost 50 years ago.

 

[Hook'em#11]

Carroll did not take the Pats to the super Bowl.

Ughh.

Sorry about that, that was Parcells. My mistake. Got my years mixed up. Became HC I believe the season after that.

 

[CB61]

I could probably come up with five million reasons why I wouldn't want him as coach