The case against taking Zeke at 4

[Romotil45]

What about Zeke ? Is it a good idea to load him up with 300 plus carries a year and burn him out before his rookie contract is over that's what will happen if he is taken at 4. How long before McFadden gets in his ear and tells him how he made it past his rookie contract ? These guys aren't stupid. If we don't take care of them they will take care of themselves. Zeke at 4 is a bad idea.

I'm going to post this again because I don't think it made the impact it should have. Do you think Zeke is going to take the chance that he is not AP or ES ? How long before McFadden gets in EE ears and tell him how he made it through his rookie contract ? Do you want to take him a 4 and have him on the sidelines faking injuries to preserve himself for a second contract ? If he is smart he will not let us strap a 300 carry a yr load on him. But if you take him at 4 you almost have too to justify taking him that high.

 

[phildadon86]

If you don't plug the holes on defense it will all be on Romo anyway. EE is not going to help us if we keep giving up 30,points a game.

You obviously didnt watch in 2014 when our defense was good solely based on the fact they were always fresh. Its ok though.

 

[Romotil45]

You obviously didnt watch in 2014 when our defense was good solely based on the fact they were always fresh. Its ok though.

Yes I did see that but you can accomplish that with someone other than EE. I also saw that we had no pass rush on Rogers which was the real reason we lost the game.

 

[phildadon86]

Yes I did see that but you can accomplish that with someone other than EE. I also saw that we had no pass rush on Rogers which was the real reason we lost the game.

Yes, and bosa doesnt help that.

 

[Romotil45]

Yes, and bosa doesnt help that.

I'm not on a Bosa band wagon but we definitely need DE help. Maybe Bosa is not the answer but if Zeke goes too high and doesn't protect himself he will not make it to a second contract he will figure that out very soon so will Gurley. You heard it hear first. There is a very good reason why the league went to rotating backs. Because when they didn't 90% of them were done in just a few years. No position takes as much punishment as RB. They catch on fast. So you take a guy high in the draft and end up only getting 200 carries a year

 

[thunderpimp91]

I'm going to post this again because I don't think it made the impact it should have. Do you think Zeke is going to take the chance that he is not AP or ES ? How long before McFadden gets in EE ears and tell him how he made it through his rookie contract ? Do you want to take him a 4 and have him on the sidelines faking injuries to preserve himself for a second contract ? If he is smart he will not let us strap a 300 carry a yr load on him. But if you take him at 4 you almost have too to justify taking him that high.

This might be the worst argument against Zeke that's been posted. If he spends his first 4 seasons on the sideline there wont be a big second contract.

 

[Romotil45]

This might be the worst argument against Zeke that's been posted. If he spends his first 4 seasons on the sideline there wont be a big second contract.

Is 229 carries and 1100 yrds worth #4 in draft ? That's what Todd G put up last year. He did not take 300 plus carries see my point ?

 

[bodi]

If you don't plug the holes on defense it will all be on Romo anyway. EE is not going to help us if we keep giving up 30,points a game.

so we control the clock - so how does the other team score 30 points a game ?

 

[thunderpimp91]

Is 229 carries and 1100 yrds worth #4 in draft ? That's what Todd G put up last year. He did not take 300 plus carries see my point ?

Not really....He did that while missing the first few games of the season. Give him 16 games and hes really close to 300 carries and 1400 yards with almost no help around him. I'd love a Gurley type of RB on this team.

 

[Romotil45]

Is 229 carries and 1100 yrds worth #4 in draft ? That's what Todd G put up last year. He did not take 300 plus carries see my point ?

A lot of people think that if we draft EE we will be able to pound the rock with him 20 times a game but its just not going to happen. If we draft EE he will only get 230 carries tops if he's smart.

 

[JoshAu99]

I really like think he will be great player I do not think he is AP nor do I expect the durability of ES. Also McFadden ran for over 1000 yrds and did not have the benefit of having Romo and Dez for much of the season. There no reason to believe that McFadden, Morris and a 4rd rookie can't put together a 1500 yrs season for us that being said would Zeke at four have that much of an impact ? The answer is not really. If Zeke has to shoulder the load which he should if taken at four how many 320 a carry season does he have in him ? The whole idea between sharing the load with running backs is to extend their careers. And yet we expect Zeke to carry the load and maybe not make it past his rookie contract ? Not a good idea.

I think you just made a case for Elliott. If you look at the last few RBs drafted in the top 5, all were the man from Day 1. Having McFadden and Morris will allow Elliott the time to learn and grow without the pressure a top 5 pick comes with. Lighten his carries in 2016 and then make him the man in 2017. Dallas is drafting at no. 4 for a reason and its not just the loss of Romo last year. Elliott will be more of an impact than a Bosa or a Buckner.

 

[Romotil45]

Not really....He did that while missing the first few games of the season. Give him 16 games and hes really close to 300 carries and 1400 yards with almost no help around him. I'd love a Gurley type of RB on this team.

Gurleys not that stupid he's not going to allow the rams to run him into the ground before he gets to his second contract. Neither will EE. Murry was in a contract yr in 2014 that's the only reason he wanted all those carries he knew he would get paid.

 

[Romotil45]

I think you just made a case for Elliott. If you look at the last few RBs drafted in the top 5, all were the man from Day 1. Having McFadden and Morris will allow Elliott the time to learn and grow without the pressure a top 5 pick comes with. Lighten his carries in 2016 and then make him the man in 2017. Dallas is drafting at no. 4 for a reason and its not just the loss of Romo last year. Elliott will be more of an impact than a Bosa or a Buckner.

lol not really. There is no good case for taking any running back at 4. Because you just can't get the production that the pick requires.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Gurleys not that stupid he's not going to allow the rams to run him into the ground before he gets to his second contract. Neither will EE. Murry was in a contract yr in 2014 that's the only reason he wanted all those carries he knew he would get paid.

Were just going to have to disagree on this one. I don't see a giant RB conspiracy where they fake injury because they don't want the ball. Zeke carried the load at Ohio st. and wanted the ball more than he did. Don't see that changing once he gets #4 money.

 

[Romotil45]

Were just going to have to disagree on this one. I don't see a giant RB conspiracy where they fake injury because they don't want the ball. Zeke carried the load at Ohio st. and wanted the ball more than he did. Don't see that changing once he gets #4 money.

If he is smart he will not take more than 230 carries in a non contract year that's just the facts of the NFL and if you don't see that you haven't been paying attention.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Why not exploit our biggest asset and use our OL the way it was meant to be used? It wasnt built solely to protect Romo, although that is obviously a big reason, its built to sustain the run game and pound the other teams into submission. A la 2014. Garrett is modelling this team after the 90s, and we ran A LOT back then. Do i agree? No, but using your biggest asset to win games is what good football teams do. A trade back to even 7 and zeke would make me very happy, im not against taking him at 4 either.

We only possessed the ball for a minute and 18 seconds fewer in 2015 than 2014. And that was without our qb and Dez for most of the year. We will be able to run and control the clock. We don't need Zeke for that.

 

[Romotil45]

If he is smart he will not take more than 230 carries in a non contract year that's just the facts of the NFL and if you don't see that you haven't been paying attention.

http://www.footballdocs.com/running_back_carries.html

Check out the facts about the result of RB who constantly have more than 300 carries a season.

 

[Romotil45]

http://www.footballdocs.com/running_back_carries.html

Check out the facts about the result of RB who constantly have more than 300 carries a season.

Few running backs these days take more than 230 carries a season in a non contract yr. For very good reason. Because 90% or more of them that do are gone in just a few yrs.

 

[Romotil45]

Few running backs these days take more than 230 carries a season in a non contract yr. For very good reason. Because 90% or more of them that do are gone in just a few yrs.

So don't get used to the idea of taking Zeke and pounding the ball WITH HIM ALONE 20-25 times a game its not going to happen.

 

[Romotil45]

So don't get used to the idea of taking Zeke and pounding the ball WITH HIM ALONE 20-25 times a game its not going to happen.

Zeke will only get 15 touches a game tops. That would be 240. So don't get used to the idea of pounding the ball with Zeke 20-25 times a game it not going to happen. To get 20-25 carries a games he would have to split time with McFadden or Morris or both.