The case against taking Zeke at 4

[Hardline]

This thread was created to make a case against Zeke but only confirmed why we should take him at 4.

 

[Romotil45]

This thread was created to make a case against Zeke but only confirmed why we should take him at 4.

Only a hardliner would read this thread and conclude Zeke is the pick at 4. Sorry hardline its not going to happen. I hope your not too disappointed.

 

[Sydla]

Why not exploit our biggest asset and use our OL the way it was meant to be used? It wasnt built solely to protect Romo, although that is obviously a big reason, its built to sustain the run game and pound the other teams into submission. A la 2014. Garrett is modelling this team after the 90s, and we ran A LOT back then. Do i agree? No, but using your biggest asset to win games is what good football teams do. A trade back to even 7 and zeke would make me very happy, im not against taking him at 4 either.

Because you don't need the 4th pick to exploit your biggest asset.

This modeling after the 90s angle you guys keep playing is driving me insane. Do people realize how great those defenses were?

This team is so far from being modeled after the 90s teams it's not even funny.

 

[Sydla]

When you have a strength, you use that strength. Play to it.

Our strength is our OL. In 2014, we beat teams up and tired them out. With an elite RB, we can do that again.

How is adding a LDE going to keep the LBs from being hurt every other game? How is it going to make the DBs, who managed 2 ints last year, actually turn the ball over? How will that LDE make Wilcox learn what an angle looks like? Or help Church actually finish a tackle?

We have a ton of holes on defense. We can't fill them all. One good LDE will not put them over the edge and help us win games.

But we can add a missing piece to our offense and make it elite again. Score points, tire the opponent out, and keep our star player-and key to our success-off the ground.

it doesn't need a top 5 pick at running back to be elite. That's the point.

 

[Gaede]

it doesn't need a top 5 pick at running back to be elite. That's the point.

No, it doesn't need to be. But he's there. We can take him. He will be elite. To me, there's no need to cute and get someone later or wait til next year. If you want an all star running back and playmaker on your offense, just take him at 4. Why settle for less?

 

[Romotil45]

No, it doesn't need to be. But he's there. We can take him. He will be elite. To me, there's no need to cute and get someone later or wait til next year. If you want an all star running back and playmaker on your offense, just take him at 4. Why settle for less?

It's not going to happen. Zeke is not going to go top 5. Wishful thinking will not help I hope your not too disappointed.

 

[Gaede]

It's not going to happen. Zeke is not going to go top 5. Wishful thinking will not help I hope your not too disappointed.

Love this kind of thought.

Oh, that won't happen because it never does.

Oh, we shouldn't do that because nobody else does.

What is so complicated about taking the best player available? Especially when he fits, in every single way, your football team? We don't need to win the draft. We don't need to attain perfect value for every pick. We need to win games. At this point, fans are not seeing the forest for the trees.

 

[Romotil45]

Love this kind of thought.

Oh, that won't happen because it never does.

Oh, we shouldn't do that because nobody else does.

What is so complicated about taking the best player available? Especially when he fits, in every single way, your football team? We don't need to win the draft. We don't need to attain perfect value for every pick. We need to win games. At this point, fans are not seeing the forest for the trees.

Name me five NFL analysis that have Elliott going in the top five. Then I will show you about a hundred that have him ranked between 7 and 15. He will not be BPA at 4. Wishful thinking is not going to make it magically come true.

 

[Gaede]

Name me five NFL analysis that have Elliott going in the top five. Then I will show you about a hundred that have him ranked between 7 and 15. He will not be BPA at 4. Wishful thinking is not going to make it magically come true.

Perhaps you're new to the draft. Wishful thinking is what it's all about

 

[Romotil45]

Perhaps you're new to the draft. Wishful thinking is what it's all about

In that case you should be wishfully hoping we can trade down and he is still there because he will not go at 4.

 

[DFWJC]

Love this kind of thought.

Oh, that won't happen because it never does.

Oh, we shouldn't do that because nobody else does.

What is so complicated about taking the best player available? Especially when he fits, in every single way, your football team? We don't need to win the draft. We don't need to attain perfect value for every pick. We need to win games. At this point, fans are not seeing the forest for the trees.

Best player available?
Many, probably most (not all) would say Zeke would not be BPA when Dallas is on the clock.
Since none of the published rankings have the QBs in the top 4, that would mean Zeke would have to be 1st or 2nd on someone's overall list to even possibly be BPA when Dallas is drafting.

I've seen him as high as 3, usually I the 7-8 range, and as low as 17. Not top 2 though.

I will say this; if Zeke ends up a Cowboy, the excitement will huge.

Short term gratification works that way

 

[MikeT22]

We can exploit our OL without taking a back in top five. That was one of the reasons for building such a great a OL you don't have to have multiple top tier backs to be effective. EE would be over kill the law of diminishing returns kicks in.

If our plan in building a great OL was so we could get by with average backs then it was a ******** plan. It's like saying you have a HOF QB so let's just ignore the WR position. NE and Brady may be the only ones to make that work. But I wouldn't try to bank on it, I'd prefer trying to get the best players we have to be dominant, not just get by.

 

[Romotil45]

Best player available?
Many, probably most (not all) would say Zeke would not be BPA when Dallas is on the clock.
Since non of the published rankings have the QBs in the top 4, that would mean Zeke would have to be 1st or 2nd on someone's overall list to even possibly be BPA when Dallas is drafting.

I've seen him as high as 3, usually I the 7-8 range, and as low as 17. Not top 2 though.

I will say this; if Zeke ends up a Cowboy, the excitement will huge.

Sure excitement will be huge. If we trade down and he's still there and we take him. He's not going at 4.

 

[DFWJC]

If our plan in building a great OL was so we could get by with average backs then it was a ******** plan. It's like saying you have a HOF QB so let's just ignore the WR position. NE and Brady may be the only ones to make that work. But I wouldn't try to bank on it, I'd prefer trying to get the best players we have to be dominant, not just get by.

Teams pass as much or more than they run....an Oline doesn't just run block.

Still, I do agree that Dallas doesn't want to have just an average run game.
And they won't.

 

[Romotil45]

Teams pass as much or more than they run....an Oline doesn't just run block.

Still, I do agree that Dallas doesn't want to have just an average run game.
And they won't.

Correct they should be top ten in rushing with or without Zeke.

 

[Techsass]

Weren't we top 10 in rushing last season? Moving up to #1 isn't going to get us further in the playoffs as much as making major strides on the D will.

 

[percyhoward]

Because you don't need the 4th pick to exploit your biggest asset.

This modeling after the 90s angle you guys keep playing is driving me insane. Do people realize how great those defenses were?

Maybe some have become so accustomed to below-average-to-bad defense that they simply take it as a given.

 

[percyhoward]

What is so complicated about taking the best player available? Especially when he fits, in every single way, your football team? We don't need to win the draft. We don't need to attain perfect value for every pick. We need to win games. At this point, fans are not seeing the forest for the trees.

Show me the forest. How many more wins does Zeke give us than say, our #4 pick (or trade down) + Kenneth Dixon, and why?

 

[Gaede]

Show me the forest. How many more wins does Zeke give us than say, our #4 pick (or trade down) + Kenneth Dixon, and why?

Sure, let me just punch in those numbers to my future machine and I'll get right back to you

 

[Romotil45]

Show me the forest. How many more wins does Zeke give us than say, our #4 pick (or trade down) + Kenneth Dixon, and why?

Haven't you heard that Zeke will get 20-25 carries a game and rush for 2000 yrds NOT. But that's what they all believe. Zeke would get 15 carries a game and rush for about 1100 yrs. But don't tell them that you might crush their hopes.