The Case for Firing Jason Garrett and the coaching staff **merged**

[Dave_in-NC]

All I can say is that I watch Linehan adjust the depths of his receivers cuts and send WR to different parts of the field. I watch Marinelli try to slant the dline both ways, run all manner of stunt and twist and mix his coverages. Teams no longer do halftime adjustments because the video technology is now virtually instantaneous. Those Surfaces have the all 22 on in right after the play is over.

If you want to stand on a line from talk radio then I don't know what to tell you but that we have a completely different opinion regarding sports journalists. Sturm in particular flip flops on Garrett as the wind blows. I think the significance of Garrett is entirely overblown.

And I don't know why those teams are winning but I REALLY don't know how you get from there to 'blame Garrett.' Is Rex Ryan a better coach? Is that the guy you want? Seems a move with no gain to me. I agree with you that Garrett cannot develop QBs.

I don't know about that. BB stopped Brady from getting killed by Hardy at half time. Teams seem to have adjusted well against us. We ran all over the place in the first half of games this year. Not so much in the second half's. You know more than I do, I'll concede that but my eyes do work, some what.

 

[CATCH17]

I'm not saying there aren't arguments against Garrett as a coach. I'm saying it's hard to have those discussions in a room where everybody's yelling all the time and won't stop.

The 7 losses in a row thing I find a lot less damning than most, because I look at 5-6 of those losses and believe the team was in position to win each of them and failed to execute. Some of that failure to execute I put on the staff, but not all of it. If you can't count on Dez Bryant to catch a 3rd-and-1 that hits him in the hands, I have a hard time blaming the coaches for it.

Being in games is standard for almost every bad team.

It means nothing.


That is what the salary cap has brought us.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't know about that. BB stopped Brady from getting killed by Hardy at half time. Teams seem to have adjusted well against us. We ran all over the place in the first half of games this year. Not so much in the second half's. You know more than I do, I'll concede that but my eyes do work, some what.

Are you sure that the change went in at half time or are you just looking at the splits? Can you tell me what the change was?

 

[Gaede]

Yep. I agree with all of this. WAS primarily needed a QB for a while now. They're finally getting adequate play. They have a wounded DAL team coming in and the division lead in their sights. Putting us out of our misery this week goes a long way towards giving them a successful season. And we just lost the franchise for a second time this season the last game we played.

This game's a gut-check if we've ever had one. A blowout would be very bad. Coming away with a win somehow would be really good.

A blowout vs the Skins on Monday night would be the icing on the cake in this nightmare season. Not to mention it's a bad Skins team and they may make the playoffs after beating us.......

At least Joe Buck won't be there

 

[khiladi]

His name is Cam not Cad

In my other posts, I've said Cam.. count it as a spelling mistake, or don't, whatever makes you feel better...

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Are you sure that the change went in at half time or are you just looking at the splits? Can you tell me what the change was?

Nope. I just know some thing had to change. Brady stayed clean in the second half. Teams stopped our running game in the second half. I don't re watch or have the all 22. This doesn't consume me as much as others.

 

[CyberB0b]

All I can say is that I watch Linehan adjust the depths of his receivers cuts and send WR to different parts of the field. I watch Marinelli try to slant the dline both ways, run all manner of stunt and twist and mix his coverages. Teams no longer do halftime adjustments because the video technology is now virtually instantaneous. Those Surfaces have the all 22 on in right after the play is over.

If you want to stand on a line from talk radio then I don't know what to tell you but that we have a completely different opinion regarding sports journalists. Sturm in particular flip flops on Garrett as the wind blows. I think the significance of Garrett is entirely overblown.

And I don't know why those teams are winning but I REALLY don't know how you get from there to 'blame Garrett.' Is Rex Ryan a better coach? Is that the guy you want? Seems a move with no gain to me. I agree with you that Garrett cannot develop QBs.

I agree there are worse coaches out there than Garrett, but there are much better coaches who have had more success in a short period of time. Ryan has at least produced playoff wins with multiple AFC championship appearances with Mark Sanchez. I'm not a fan of Ryan, but he's produced.

 

[khiladi]

Are you sure that the change went in at half time or are you just looking at the splits? Can you tell me what the change was?

I remember Brady going hurry-up and no huddle before the half to reduce pressure.. That was on I believe their first TD...

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Being in games is standard for almost every bad team.

It means nothing.


That is what the salary cap has brought us.

So we should just disregard teams like the Saints and SF and their margins of victory and pretend that all bad teams are the same? I think you completely miss the point of parity and what it means to a teams chances from year to year.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I agree there are worse coaches out there than Garrett, but there are much better coaches who have had more success in a short period of time. Ryan has at least produced playoff wins with multiple AFC championship appearances with Mark Sanchez. I'm not a fan of Ryan, but he's produced.

So you would fire Garrett and be pleased if we brought in Ryan?

 

[khiladi]

People who say Linehan makes adjustments apparently don't watch what play we run on first down, aka it's pretty much a run every time...

 

[KalEl]

In my other posts, I've said Cam.. count it as a spelling mistake, or don't, whatever makes you feel better...

1, 2, 3, 4.....

 

[khiladi]

So we should just disregard teams like the Saints and SF and their margins of victory and pretend that all bad teams are the same? I think you completely miss the point of parity and what it means to a teams chances from year to year.

SF got wrecked this year, losing their coach and having a bunch of players on defense retiring... They are in QB hell right now as well and have a better record than us..

 

[Miller]

All I can say is that I watch Linehan adjust the depths of his receivers cuts and send WR to different parts of the field. I watch Marinelli try to slant the dline both ways, run all manner of stunt and twist and mix his coverages. Teams no longer do halftime adjustments because the video technology is now virtually instantaneous. Those Surfaces have the all 22 on in right after the play is over.

If you want to stand on a line from talk radio then I don't know what to tell you but that we have a completely different opinion regarding sports journalists. Sturm in particular flip flops on Garrett as the wind blows. I think the significance of Garrett is entirely overblown.

And I don't know why those teams are winning but I REALLY don't know how you get from there to 'blame Garrett.' Is Rex Ryan a better coach? Is that the guy you want? Seems a move with no gain to me. I agree with you that Garrett cannot develop QBs.

Listen, I'm not basing my whole opinion on what Sturm says. I'm basing it on what I've seen and written here for years. I give Sturm a lot of credit though as I always thought and seen him to be a guy who liked JG and our plan. I think most media give him a break.

We definitely aren't going to agree on much...with all respect to your opinion.... if you think we adjust WR routes. I wrote this multiple times in the first 3-4 games when Romo was out...the routes we ran were pathetic. We'd have 2 guys running flys and one guy crossing underneath. They even showed multiple times how we had WRs in the same area and I believe it was Troy that said our route trees didn't seem too varied.

I'll tell you what those coaches and teams have to do with Garrett...they are winning games with guys that are names backup QBs or guys who should be backups and are their starters. Especially a 40 year old who is backing up Luck. It's game adjustments. Going into the next week with a different way to attack. Our way in 7 games straight was run up the gut, don't let the backup QB do anything really and hope its close so we could luck into a win. What was there to lose without Romo? Everyone thought the season was over so why not throw caution to the wind? We did the opposite and sat and hoped. There are teams with a WAY less talent out there that are scratching out games. I've never seen us do that unless we had optimal health, etc. That's what the reality looks like to me. I also wouldn't be surprised if the robot process and staying course isn't wearing on players.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nope. I just know some thing had to change. Brady stayed clean in the second half. Teams stopped our running game in the second half. I don't re watch or have the all 22. This doesn't consume me as much as others.

Change went in on the first drive before the half. Remember we had been sacking him repeatedly and then they scored right before the half?

 

[khiladi]

I agree there are worse coaches out there than Garrett, but there are much better coaches who have had more success in a short period of time. Ryan has at least produced playoff wins with multiple AFC championship appearances with Mark Sanchez. I'm not a fan of Ryan, but he's produced.

Ryan with Romo would be a play-off team every year..

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Change went in on the first drive before the half. Remember we had been sacking him repeatedly and then they scored right before the half?

I do, what I don't remember is what they did. But it has been pointed out since my post. Do you see Dallas doing any thing when things aren't working?

 

[KJJ]

Only one winning season and one playoff appearance in 5 years as the head coach that's a solid case for firing Garrett.

 

[texbumthelife]

It is the players job to execute, however it is the coaches jobs to put the players in the best position to execute and win, as well as preparing them week in and week out for different assignments and matchups.

I don't know how anyone can say with a straight face that they believe the coaches have performed those duties.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Listen, I'm not basing my whole opinion on what Sturm says. I'm basing it on what I've seen and written here for years. I give Sturm a lot of credit though as I always thought and seen him to be a guy who liked JG and our plan. I think most media give him a break.

We definitely aren't going to agree on much...with all respect to your opinion.... if you think we adjust WR routes. I wrote this multiple times in the first 3-4 games when Romo was out...the routes we ran were pathetic. We'd have 2 guys running flys and one guy crossing underneath. They even showed multiple times how we had WRs in the same area and I believe it was Troy that said our route trees didn't seem too varied.

I'll tell you what those coaches and teams have to do with Garrett...they are winning games with guys that are names backup QBs or guys who should be backups and are their starters. Especially a 40 year old who is backing up Luck. It's game adjustments. Going into the next week with a different way to attack. Our way in 7 games straight was run up the gut, don't let the backup QB do anything really and hope its close so we could luck into a win. What was there to lose without Romo? Everyone thought the season was over so why not throw caution to the wind? We did the opposite and sat and hoped.

I know for a fact that he adjusts the depths of cuts from his WR. The in and out cut are installed in the beginning of camp and I understand at least that process. I watch him do it and then I see his opponents adjusting the depth of their coverage drops. I look for where they start and their timing to stop their backpedal.

As for the route tree not being varied. What route do they not run? I'm not sure how to respond to that recollection of yours. And if the opponent calls man and you flood a zone that doesn't mean it was a bad call even if it doesn't work. WR also run the wrong routes and our guys quite often don't make the right adjustments. I think that entire dynamic has a lot more to do with the OC and the QB than Garrett. Garrett doesn't even call the plays remember?

I never said that you were all in on Sturm, I was just speaking to the point. Sturm has flip flopped based on record from what I can tell. You don't deny that.