The Commanders better enjoy this season...

[big dog cowboy]

But by all means, keep thinking Super Bowl and acting like it's still 1991. It'll be all the more entertaining when you lose.

Ragardless of the circumstances, the Commanders losing will ALWAYS be entertaining.

 

[KINGBRICE_28]

Hmmm.....seems as if I missed the fun......

oh well....BTW we already did the salary cap stuff about 1 month ago and after the release of the usual we will be fine....

Of course though this will be 1 of 273 threads about the Commanders yet some how it never bites us in the pocket book.....

Smoot Who?....
Coles....lol....
Pierce....meh.....We'd be better off with him however our replacement did mediocre I guess.....

As for bragging rights...sure.....we've got'm for now........don't be bitter....you had your chance to rub it in a little....trust me I remember......

 

[silverbear]

I dont get how dallas fans can talk smack after getting their butts kicked by us one game then totally blowing the game the first time.

You say that like Skins fans haven't been talking smack these last several years, even as "the streak" grew to epic proportions...

The "smack" in this case is laughing at the way the Skins have managed the salary cap... their way is the Cowboys' OLD way, which is precisely what put us in the position we've found ourselves in the last few years... but that's not the Cowboys' way any more, and as a result, they were in good cap shape last year, and they'll be in good cap shape again this offseason...

Meanwhile, the Skins will have some serious machinations ahead of them just to get under the salary cap, let alone finding money to add free agent talent... Danny Boy is fixin' to find out that those warning he's been hearing the last few years were on the money, that you can't keep pushing major cap dollars off into the future without eventually facing the crunch...

Anyway, if you don't like our "smack", are you being forced to hang out in here?? Go on back over to extremeskins (or whatever other homer board you call home), where seldom is heard a discouraging word, and the skies are not cloudy all day...

It ain't like we'd miss you, there are always plenty of trolls around...

 

[silverbear]

Dallas fan that lives in the past.

Uhhh, your sweep this year is in the past now, too...

We can run our mouths this year. We whipped you.

"We"?? What position did YOU play, Mighty Mouth??

 

[silverbear]

Dallas fans are just bitter they lost to us twice.

Are WE trolling the Commanders boards?? That would be a sign of bitterness, but last I checked, this is a COWBOYS board...

Oh, I'm not thrilled that the Skins got two Ws against us this year, but s*** happens sometimes... to say I'm "bitter" would be to exaggerate the point quite badly...

Meanwhile, here YOU are, trolling a Cowboys board, even after sweeping them... this alone shows that you still fear the Cowboys a lot...

So run your mouth troll, talk like you're not scared of the Cowboys; your actions speak louder than your words...

 

[silverbear]

Im not trying to troll but dallas fans started the argument.

You're a Skins fan, talking trash on a Cowboys board... your first post to this thread, in its entirety, read:

Sweeeeeeeeep!!!!!!!!

Naw, nothing trollish in that...

Pretend you're a man (though that might require that you take off your official Hogettes dress), and admit what you are, and what your agenda is...

 

[silverbear]

I think everyone in the NFL knows that the Skins are one of the up and coming teams in the league. Gibbs has brought the franchise success again and has a built a team that will win for years to come. This year means much more to their fans than just two wins against the Cowboys. They have turned the corner and are now the class of the NFC East. That can't be denied.

Of course it can be denied... the Giants are currently leading the NFC East, which makes THEM the class of the NFC East...

As for which team will be the "class" in the future, that's where the Skins' cap situation factors in... the other teams in the East will have cap room to upgrade their rosters in the offseason, while the Skins will be limited as to what improvements they can make...

The Boys on the other hand have A LOT of question marks at many positions on the field as well as head coach.

The Boys don't have any bigger questions at head coach than the Skins do... in fact, Gibbs could well choose to pack it in before Parcells does...

They don't have a QB,

Bledsoe is every bit as good as Brunell... Mark has a slight edge in quarterback rating, Drew has passed for more yards per game and a higher completion percentage... Drew has averaged 7.4 yards per attempt this year, Mark has averaged 6.8...

In fact, Brunell's biggest advantage, and the reason he currently has the higher rating, is because he's thrown fewer interceptions this year...

a reliable RB,

Actually, they have three very good running backs... the starter, Julius Jones, has gained 1777 yards in his first 20 games... in 18 games as a starter, he's gained 1745 yards on 426 carries...

an O-line,

Yup, THERE'S the real problem... of course, with a fair chunk of cap room and a number of top offensive linemen liable to be available in free agency (LeCharles Bentley, Steve Hutchinson), not to mention a first round draft pick (unlike the Skins) and a lot of top tackles in this draft class, upgrading that area of need is eminently doable...

The Skins' offensive line has some serious problems too, in the form of DEPTH... once you get past their starting 5, your next best offensive lineman is a candidate for Social Security, LOL...

a K,

The Skins are in the same boat there... seems like John Hall has missed 14 games over the last 2 years... while he was out this year, the Skins got so desperate that they signed a guy the Cowboys had already cut, LOL...

Once again, free agency might give them a Vanderjagt or a Vinatieri, or the draft might give them a Mason Crosby...

or much at WR.

Terry Glenn didn't produce QUITE as much as Santana Moss did, it's true... but he produced pretty good all the same (60 catches for nearly 1100 yards in 15 games)... and of course, Keyshawn Johnson and Patrick Crayton are VASTLY superior to any other receivers the Skins might have...

IOW, if the Cowboys don't have "much at WR", then the Skins' closet is REALLY bare... let's compare each team's top 3 WRs (we'll go 4 deep with the Skins, since David Patten went on IR midway through the season):

Glenn/Johnson/Crayton-- 145 catches for 2130 yards and 15TDs... 14.7 yards per catch...

Moss/Jacobs/Thrash/Patten-- 126 receptions for 1870 yards and 9TDs... 14.8 yards per catch...

The Cowboys' 3 receivers have caught almost 20 MORE passes than the Skins' 4 receivers, for 260 more yards and 6 more TDs... clearly, the Cowboys' receiving corps is superior to the Skins'...

I doubt Parcells will be back.

Keep on whistlin' past the graveyard, troll... my personal opinion is that Parcells will still be coaching when Gibbs is back in NASCAR...

Now, you wanna talk about the Skins' "question marks"??

Head Coach-- Gibbs just doesn't look like he's having much FUN this year, in fact he looks like he just survived the Bataan Death March...

Quarterback-- Mark Brunell is 35 years old, nearing the end of the road... Patrick Ramsey is history, and Jason Campbell is still an unknown...

Wide Receiver-- Santana Moss and NOTHING else...

Offensive Line-- as I said earlier, 5 decent to good starters, and zippo in the way of quality depth... can the Skins afford to keep Chris Samuels this offseason, when his cap hit goes up to over 11 million dollars?? Will he be agreeable to reworking his contract?? If not, they're down to four quality starters, and zero depth...

Defensive Line-- the Skins rank 22nd in the league in sacks, with 31... 14 of those sacks have come from the linebackers and defensive backs, meaning their defensive line has all of 17 sacks this year... the Skins are also tied for 18th in team interceptions, further testimony to their lack of a pass rush...

Bottom line, the Skins have as many holesas the Cowboys do, if not more... the difference is, the Cowboys have more flexibility to upgrade their roster over the next year or two or three than the Skins do... another offseason like they had last year, and the Boys will be quite good, actually...

 

[silverbear]

Blah blah blah. Man, how much more pathetic can you sound. Lets see, The Commanders are 1 play to beat San Diego, 1 play to beat Oakland, 1 play to beat Tampa. You act like your team is the only one that lost close games.

Well, I read somewhere in the last day or two that the Cowboys lead the NFL in games decided by a touchdown or less this year, with 11 (if memory serves)...

 

[silverbear]

Heavy, I haven't seen you on ES in a while

Come on you know the simple adage, cash solves the caps

A lot of these salaries can be converted to bonuses, that is what Snyder does

Yeah, that's what Jerry USED to do, too... problem is, you can only delay the final reckoning so long...

It's funny, really, you Skins fans think that Danny Boy has found a magic formula, one that all the brilliant minds in the NFL haven't been able to figure out after all these years of the salary cap...

He hasn't, his approach is EXACTLY the same as the Niners' was, and the Cowboys'... and they faced their reckoning, leading to some really dismal records for a couple-three years there...

Now, you're welcome to go on telling yourself that Danny Boy is doing it better and smarter than all those who have gone before him, if that's what lets you sleep at night, but it's asinine to really believe that...

I'll just note that for such a genius when it comes to building Super Bowl contenders, he sure doesn't have much to show for his "brilliance"... LOL...

be cap heck, but it won't be cap hell

Perhaps... problem is, the other teams in the NFC East won't even be in "cap heck", meaning they'll be able to upgrade their rosters, while the Skins will be limited in their ability to do so...

 

[silverbear]

btw, whose going to be your coach for the next 10 years?

You figure Gibbs is gonna coach the Skins for the next 10 years, do you??

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

That poor schlub has aged ten years this season alone... he'll never LIVE another ten years, if he has to coach the Skins the entire time...

I'm just hoping that the rumors are bogus, that he doesn't retire after THIS season... I hope that because if Gibbs quits after this season, Gregg Williams will be named the next head coach, and I think he might do pretty good... but if Coach Joe sticks around another year, Williams will almost certainly take his pick from several head coaching job offers this offseason...

 

[silverbear]

Until you get a home grown QB who is drafted under a system, groomed under the (SAME) system, and plays under the (SAME), your chances of CONSISTENT long term success is dramatically decreased.

You mean, like the Skins did with Patrick Ramsey??

ROTFLMAO...

 

[silverbear]

I give no respect to a coach who constantly b1tches about the refs and goes running to the commissioner

Gibbs actually whined last week about having to play the Giants on a Saturday... complained that the Giants had an unfair advantage, having played on the previous Saturday as well...

It's gotten to where ol' Coach Joe will trot out any alibi at any time...

 

[silverbear]

And so what, we don't have a #1 pick. There is not a hole on our team that would warrant a #1 pick and the contract to go along with it.

And here I thought you might actually have a clue... you could desperately use a premium pick at WR, where the ONLY legitimate NFL talent you have is Moss, and you could surely stand to add a stud pass rusher...

As for our cap, we hear this crap EVERY year.

Uhhh, don't look now, but you guys weren't able to do a whole lot in free agency last year... the reason for that was your cap situation...

We have a HUGE amount of dead money this year so I'm actually looking forward to the fact that we will have adaquate cap room this offseason....WITHOUT having to cut any major veins to do so.

Oh, sweet Jesus, this one has drunk ALL of the kool-aid...

Well, homer, the facts are that the Skins are currently WAY over the projected cap for next year (I've heard as much as 27 million dollars over... in order to get under the cap, they'll have to renegotiate a BUNCH of deals, or cut players like Arrington (who's likely gone anyway) and Chris Samuels...

I'd say that choosing between cutting a Pro Bowl OT or not being real active in free agency is one indication of cap hell... the Skins might have maneuvering room to get down under the cap without biting the bullet too hard, but that will leave them with no room to bring in free agent talent... look for this offseason to be like the last for the Skins, not much in the way of upgrading the roster... only this year, you guys won't even have the luxury of a first round draft pick...

 

[silverbear]

"they are still not that good"....Really? We beat the NFC's top 3 teams , have the best conference record in the NFC (This year the NFC is competitive), North-south-east-west, we had to play all the division leaders of the NFC and we go .750 (yea, our schedule is tough) in those games and we are still not that good? Man, that's hate.

Bottom line, you guys are 9-6, and still have yet to clinch a playoff berth...

as far as QBs, we have one in grooming and a coach that knows just a little something about a quaterback so I wouldn't be entirely wrong to assume we have the edge, wouldn't you agree?

Not until I actually see Jason Campbell on the field... a few short years ago, you Skins fans were talking the same homeristic crap about Patrick Ramsey, another late first round draft pick...

Jason Campbell hasn't proven jack... no matter how long you guys "let" him sit on the bench, "gaining valuable experience", eventually he's gonna have to go through the growing pains that virtually all young QBs go through (if he was the exception to that rule, the quarterback so talented that he can play like a legitimate NFL QB right from the start, he wouldn't have sat out this entire season)...

 

[silverbear]

Nobody is claiming the Commanders to be dominant. What we are is hot. The team is peaking at the right time in the season.

Yeah, the Skins are hot right now...

They're also starting to rack up the injuries, after being REAL lucky on that score all season... given that they're not a real deep team, avoiding injuries was critical to their hot finish... they also don't have a large margin for error, not when they'll be playing a succession of playoff caliber teams on the road... so any further injuries will make playoff success highly problematic...

 

[silverbear]

It's funny how you your fellow fans tell us that mentioning 14 of 15 is in the "past", yet you are clinging to Gibbs record in the postseason, when he hasn't been there since 1991.

Apparently, hypocrisy wears a hog's snout and a dress...

 

[juice28]

:signmast: YEA, what he said!

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

They're also starting to rack up the injuries

um, we only have two main injuries right now.

-Mark Brunell: listed as probable, and practiced yesterday. will most likely play on sunday
-Carlos Rogers: listed as questionable. might not play, but he have a player at corner who started half of the year. so its not a huge liability(esspecially against a philly team that seems to be unable to pass right now)

Glenn/Johnson/Crayton-- 145 catches for 2130 yards and 15TDs... 14.7 yards per catch...

Moss/Jacobs/Thrash/Patten-- 126 receptions for 1870 yards and 9TDs... 14.8 yards per catch...

ok. this might be WR, but you can't leave out a player who has acted as our #2 reciever all year. He only has 70 receptions, 760 yards, and 7 TD's. which seems pretty similar( a little bit better) than your #2 reciever.

Well, I read somewhere in the last day or two that the Cowboys lead the NFL in games decided by a touchdown or less this year, with 11 (if memory serves)...

is that supposed to mean something? with the exception of the giants game, every loss of ours has been within a score. so, i dont really see what your trying to get at here

don't look now, but you guys weren't able to do a whole lot in free agency last year... the reason for that was your cap situation...

do you think that it is a coincidence that the first year that we dont load up on big name free agents we start to have a winning record? the only position that we made an upgrade at was at the center position. as far as all of the other positions, they were all starters from the year before. so do you think that this might be all right if we dont pick up many free agents? we did fine this year without the aqusation of many big name free agents, maybe it will be a continuing trend?

 

[silverbear]

um, we only have two main injuries right now.

-Mark Brunell: listed as probable, and practiced yesterday. will most likely play on sunday
-Carlos Rogers: listed as questionable. might not play, but he have a player at corner who started half of the year. so its not a huge liability(esspecially against a philly team that seems to be unable to pass right now)

Oh, so Randy Thomas DIDN'T break his leg against the Cowboys... my bad...

As for Walt Harris, Rogers put him on the bench, so clearly the coaches considered Carlos the better option... to now suggest that nothing is lost by putting Harris back out there is rather silly....

ok. this might be WR, but you can't leave out a player who has acted as our #2 reciever all year. He only has 70 receptions, 760 yards, and 7 TD's. which seems pretty similar( a little bit better) than your #2 reciever.

OK, go ahead and add Cooley into the equation... then we'll add Jason Witten in, and the Cowboys will still have the advantage... they'd then combine for 207 catches for 2830 yards and 20TDs, compared to 195 catches for 2635 yards and 16TDs for the Skins' receivers...

And again, that's with us combining the stats of 4 Skins' WRs to the Cowboys' 3... a whole other player, and the Boys STILL have the clear edge...

do you think that it is a coincidence that the first year that we dont load up on big name free agents we start to have a winning record?

More luck than coincidence... luck, in that you guys haven't had hardly any injuries all year long... this is crucial for the Skins, who have little to no depth at most positions on the team (RB would be first exception that comes to mind, and to a lesser extent, DB)...

the only position that we made an upgrade at was at the center position. as far as all of the other positions, they were all starters from the year before. so do you think that this might be all right if we dont pick up many free agents?

If you guys continue playing the status quo while your competition is adding talent, you're in trouble...

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

Oh, so Randy Thomas DIDN'T break his leg against the Cowboys... my bad...

yea, I did forget about the injury to thomas. That was probably because our o-line played just as well as ever last week. but yes, that one injury will hurt us if in fact we do make the playoffs. Ray Brown played excellent last week, but who knows how long he will be able to keep it up. But as for that, we seem ok with injuries. Carlos will be back for the playoffs, and maybe even a little this weekend, we will just have to see. Unless we endure some major injuries this weekend, I don't think that injuries should play too big of a factor down the road.

OK, go ahead and add Cooley into the equation... then we'll add Jason Witten in, and the Cowboys will still have the advantage... they'd then combine for 207 catches for 2830 yards and 20TDs, compared to 195 catches for 2635 yards and 16TDs for the Skins' receivers...

alright, well this is the way it probably should be. You all should have more production out of the wide recievers because you are more of a passing offense. While on the other side, the Commanders are primarily a rushing offense. The skins rank 5th in the league in total rushing yards for the year. So then, as for total offense, it's quite funny that the skins and cowboys have almost identical stats. The skins only average 10 more yards a game than the cowboys do. So it is kind of a wash here. And what is even more wierd, is that we both average the same ammount of pass plays and running plays per game.

If you guys continue playing the status quo while your competition is adding talent, you're in trouble...

well, I guess you could think that way. However, it also gives are team more unity. This is the first season that our o-line has been together. It took us all the way to week 14 to start geling and playing to our potential. Right now, our o-line is playing as well as some of the best in the league. And it came from playing together. The more these players play beside each other, the better they are going to get. Big upgrades arn't always the best way to go in free agency. sometimes it is best to just fill small holes that you have, and let everything else take course. The Commanders don't have any big free agents to re-sign this year, we shouldnt need much to fill. Yes, there are some needs that we need. A big reciever to play #2 alongside moss, and a pass rushing DE. Those are probably are only major needs. With the expected loss of arrington, you could say we will need another linebacker, but, it issn't the biggest of needs considering we've played without arrington for about half of the season. Not having a lot of cap to sign players shouldn't hurt us this year. It might hold us back from getting some of the small needs that we might have, but it won't be anything big enough to entirely effect our team for next year