The curious case of Jason Garrett

[casmith07]

Stealth dump on Henry Melton thread for signing with Dallas, despite his injury history?

He and his agent must've seen some kind of positive here, right?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The RKG thing needs to seriously go away forever. They are putting their hopes in another defensive tackle with alcohol problems and signed a defensive end that lost his job because he cared more about his record label.

as opposed to getting players that were working as a bouncer for a night club being a better approach. given our cap situation and dire need, what do you propose? its so easy to criticize, but tough to provide solutions.

 

[casmith07]

Clearly this is because Jerry is losing faith in the RKG approach.

This "RKG" term is something that got pumped up by a poster here that nobody seems to like, and has become a misnomer of epic proportions.

Look at the SB Champs. Noone cares they are a bunch of PED devouring thugs.

Personal conjecture and rampant speculation does not make it true.

Same as the Kaperdouche led Niners with Aldon Smith in the fold. Noone cares.

Sophomoric euphemisms for a player name will surely help advance your argument . . . said no one ever.

Not so much these days. Whether it's because the Cowboys lack physicality or have passed up superior athletes for better people... I honestly don't care anymore. Why should we have to wait for the Webelos to become Eagle Scouts?

I want a team to be proud of ON the football field first and foremost, as Michael Irvin would say, "Period."

If you don't care, and you're no longer proud, walk away until you hear through the grapevine that the team is what you, one random fan, wants. Spare us, this forum, and the rest of the Cowboys fan base, the good and the bad, the rich and the poor, the homer and the hater, your sob story.

tl;dr - grow a pair and get over it.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Someone else said it.

They look at the money first. Then they look at the money. After that, they take another look at the money. Then they start worrying about scheme and coach, etc. The number of players that take less money for a better situation is almost nil, especially when you are talking about their first shot at free agency. A guy on his second deal or in the league for 8-10 years might take below market value for a chance to win a Super Bowl and a lot of the time that is later on in free agency. You rarely see someone take less money early on in the process.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

If the coach does his job better, this team wins probably 3-4 more games over the past 3.5 years.

And those games are the difference between being 8-8 and getting in the tournament.

Arizona, Green Bay, Detroit, etc. It's hard enough to win in this league, it's even harder when your coach is learning on the job.

I think you're projecting your fantasies into reality again. Because in the 29 games they have won over the time Garrett has been here (versus 27 losses), he has never been a factor in those, right? Only the losses. Makes perfect sense.

 

[5Stars]

I think you're projecting your fantasies into reality again. Because in the 29 games they have won over the time Garrett has been here (versus 27 losses), he has never been a factor in those, right? Only the losses. Makes perfect sense.

Actually, most posters blame first, Jerry, then Garrett, then Romo, then, the Stadium, then, anything else they can wrap their little heads around. They never consider the team as as a whole. lol

 

[Tass]

tl;dr - grow a pair and get over it.

Ironically, I think that is what the poster you were replying to was trying to say.

This team has been much too soft the last couple of years for whatever reason. Ware was athletically gifted but defenses did not FEAR him like Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, or Mark Gastineau. This game requires dedication, athletic talent, strength, speed, brains, teamwork, discipline, and guts. The last subtle ingredient is malevolence; not to excess (see Suh, Ndamakong) but just enough to put some fear into your opponents.

That is the last little bit that we have been lacking.

JMO

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Actually, most posters blame first, Jerry, then Garrett, then Romo, then, the Stadium, then, anything else they can wrap their little heads around. They never consider the team as as a whole. lol

I think people try too hard to evaluate coaches. Unlike quarterbacks, for coaching wins and losses are the only stat you need. Garrett is 8-8. That's it. Saying a coach wins or loses games because of one or two decisions when they make hundreds of decisions in games and during the week leading up to the game is silly.

 

[mmohican29]

This "RKG" term is something that got pumped up by a poster here that nobody seems to like, and has become a misnomer of epic proportions.



Personal conjecture and rampant speculation does not make it true.



Sophomoric euphemisms for a player name will surely help advance your argument . . . said no one ever.



If you don't care, and you're no longer proud, walk away until you hear through the grapevine that the team is what you, one random fan, wants. Spare us, this forum, and the rest of the Cowboys fan base, the good and the bad, the rich and the poor, the homer and the hater, your sob story.

tl;dr - grow a pair and get over it.

This "RKG" term is something that got pumped up by a poster here that nobody seems to like, and has become a misnomer of epic proportions.



Personal conjecture and rampant speculation does not make it true.



Sophomoric euphemisms for a player name will surely help advance your argument . . . said no one ever.



If you don't care, and you're no longer proud, walk away until you hear through the grapevine that the team is what you, one random fan, wants. Spare us, this forum, and the rest of the Cowboys fan base, the good and the bad, the rich and the poor, the homer and the hater, your sob story.

tl;dr - grow a pair and get over it.

Yeah, you're pretty much full of crap from jumpstreet. Garrett in almost every presser refers to "the Right Kind of Guy". Members of the Seattle secondary have taken and failed NFL administered drug tests. Rampant speculation?

And it's not a sob story when many Cowboys fans feel the same way as I do.

Oh, and Kapernick IS a ******- so there ya go.

 

[perrykemp]

Does Garrett possess the attributes to put players in a position to win the individual battles by clever play design?

Does he have the coaching skill set to inspire belief in his system - on both sides of the ball - to get the most out of his players?

Nice post TwoDeep. These two points sum up my major concerns with Garrett.

At one point Garrett was considered one of the bright offensive minds in the league -- I thought would turn out to be a Sean Payton / Mike McCarthy type HC/OC innovative offensive mind.

Those two guys have a very distinctive idea of what their offense should like all the moves they make in terms of roster, etc are made with their offensive system in mind.

I wanted to see a "Garrett system" and so far I haven't seen it.

 

[Galian Beast]

I think Jones has realized that Garrett isn't the Xs and Os coach that he thought he was. That said, he does present himself professionally. Stripping Garrett of his responsibilities is the best way to make him successful. The question is what does he really bring to the table at this point.

If Garrett is replaced next year, I would imagine that Jerry will want to stick with the Tampa 2 system if possible. The major problem is that most of the coaches and coordinators who would fill that position are gone now. Either they are in Tampa Bay or in Jacksonville.

So this Tampa 2 experiment might have to end and revert to a different style of 4-3 defense. That being said the defensive staff might be kept in place if Garrett is removed.

For the most part this offensive coaching staff is pretty fresh.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I think you're projecting your fantasies into reality again. Because in the 29 games they have won over the time Garrett has been here (versus 27 losses), he has never been a factor in those, right? Only the losses. Makes perfect sense.

Head coaches do very little in terms of helping it's team win on Sundays - most don't call plays, they have people in their ear on challenges, have a chart for two point conversions and possession scenarios, etc. In Dallas' case - 9 times outta 10 it's Romo pulling a miracle out of his *** under impossible circumstances. It's not like JG's offense is super dynamic and tough to scheme against. It's all Romo, let's not forget that.

So no, Garrett doesn't do much to help this team win games. But when it comes to losing a game, he can do that in an instant - it's not theory, I have 3.5 years of evidence to support it.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Someone else said it.

They look at the money first. Then they look at the money. After that, they take another look at the money. Then they start worrying about scheme and coach, etc. The number of players that take less money for a better situation is almost nil, especially when you are talking about their first shot at free agency. A guy on his second deal or in the league for 8-10 years might take below market value for a chance to win a Super Bowl and a lot of the time that is later on in free agency. You rarely see someone take less money early on in the process.

Agreed...........money is the biggest factor.

With that being said, aint nobody signing with Dallas because they want to play for Jason Garrett and his rep league wide for game management mistakes that even Jerry acknowledges.

 

[jazzcat22]

Not your typical thread. Not bashing or praising. This curiosity is from a different angle.

If you are a current player, what is your mindset?

A. I need to do my job better. We can do this.
B. I need to do my job better. But I am unsure if I can win most of my individual battles due to coaching decisions/gameplay?


If you are a potential acquisition player, what is your mindset?

A. I am not going to dallas. Things at unstable and direction is lacking.
B. I think I can help make this work. Coach just needs players to really step in, step up and win their individual battles.

If a current player thinks like answer B, I do not want him on this team. Good riddance, the answer should always be A in any player. It start with buying into the system in place.

For a potential player the answer is always B, that shows me they have confidence in themselves to come and step in and show they can make a difference. If a player answer is A, then he is stupid as he doesn't truly knows what the direction is. Unless he can come in for an interview, workout, but if he believes that and does not sign, then at least he checked into it. But to blindly think that, is a dumb choice.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Actually, most posters blame first, Jerry, then Garrett, then Romo, then, the Stadium, then, anything else they can wrap their little heads around. They never consider the team as as a whole. lol

This may be the most ill-informed post i have ever read here.

Don't consider the team as a whole? That is exactly what most of us are doing and why we say the things we say. Once again you assume and when you do it doesn't work out for you at all.

Exactly how many times must you be adjusted in this perception of yours before you get it?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Head coaches do very little in terms of helping it's team win on Sundays - most don't call plays, they have people in their ear on challenges, have a chart for two point conversions and possession scenarios, etc. In Dallas' case - 9 times outta 10 it's Romo pulling a miracle out of his *** under impossible circumstances. It's not like JG's offense is super dynamic and tough to scheme against. It's all Romo, let's not forget that.

So no, Garrett doesn't do much to help this team win games. But when it comes to losing a game, he can do that in an instant - it's not theory, I have 3.5 years of evidence to support it.

That couldn't be more wrong. When the game is winding down a good, smart coach will use ball control, run game to limit opportunities for other team to score, to mount a come back. Garrett doesn't even think about doing this. I think players, coaches see this.

So a player could decide not to come here because HEAD COACH doesn't do "smart" things to close games.

 

[5Stars]

This may be the most ill-informed post i have ever read here.

Don't consider the team as a whole? That is exactly what most of us are doing and why we say the things we say. Once again you assume and when you do it doesn't work out for you at all.

Exactly how many times must you be adjusted in this perception of yours before you get it?

And how many times do I have to tell you and other posters that throwing a temper tantrum like a little child is not going to change a damn thing? The team is going to be ran just like the Jones family runs it, like it or not.

I don't like some things that Jerry does, some things I do like, but guess what? I am not obsessed or miserable like you and some posters...you know why? Because there is not a damn thing I can do about it!

But, it is fun to come here and read posters such as yourself crying about this and that when there is not a damn thing youz guys can do about it! But, carry on with your bad selves. You misery makes me actually put some perspective in my own life. lol

 

[khiladi]

Ross Tucker on Sirius the other day actually answered this question - it is your position coach that matters most to you. Not the HC. And then the Coordinator. Head coach comes last on that list.

So that's why they demoted Garrett...

 

[khiladi]

Put it this way: Garrett is very very smart. He know football.
The problem with Garrett as I see it with mein eyes, is he lack fire in the belly and his players might love him and respect him but they does not fear him.
Fears is a great motivator. It focuses people on the task.
Garrett should half a temper tantrum ever day at practice and in the film room and in the lockerroom.
Then the players all look at him with more respect and they say "Ohhh, here come the coach with fire in his belly."

According to Crayton, dude doesn't even know about hot reads essentially... And based on what I've seen, he's correct.

 

[Fredd]

Every time I read the title of this thread, I can't get the curious case of Benjamin button (hook) out of my mind