CFZ The Curtain Controversy: Cowboys record in the 3:00 kickoff games is telling

[calico]

They suck and have for 30 years. Sunlight and curtains have nothing to do with it.

 

[BaybeeJay]

Guys, I’m not sure you’ve noticed, but the quality of competition is usually better when we play at 3p.

Don’t get caught up in an indication bias and/or confounding variables.

 

[Creeper]

I have asked the question a number of times, why does it seem to affect Dallas more than than visiting teams? I don't have an answer but at the end of the day it does, so Jerry's assumption that it gives them an advantage is not corroborated by what is actually happening on the field. We keep seeing it happen to Dallas.

I don't think it can be controlled either. If the Cowboys win the toss perhaps they can take the side of the field away from the sun, but if they lose the toss they can't control that. That's a 50-50 proposition. Even if they win the toss and get the side of the field they want the defense still has to be looking into the sun which potentially blinds them to certain plays.

IMO, using the sun to an advantage or not is silly stuff. Block the sun and play the game.

 

[rags747]

So out of the games that are 29-29 how many days were sunny, cloudy, rainy, snowing etc? This is critically important information To make a fair assessment !

 

[sunalsorises]

Maybe a stupid point but Dallas can decide to choose which end (factoring in sun) over getting the ball as often as possible when at home. A quarter takes around 45 minutes to play. The sun can't possibly be a factor for more than an hour or so before it moves. Feel free to correct me as I have never been to the stadium for a game when the sun is shining through.

 

[Bobhaze]

Jerry said today the sun shinning into the stadium should Be seen as an element advantage for them. He believes it’s hurt opposing teams more than it has the Cowboys. He believes it’s good for other teams to have to spend time preparing for the elements. I wish Shan, RJ, and Bobby would’ve been more prepared with stats where they could’ve proved to him that he was wrong. I don’t think Jerry is dumb, but he’s so damn stubborn that I’d rather him be dumb. He honestly thinks it’s an advantage. If he wanted a weary advantage, open the house and play in the heat. There’s your advantage for these games. The SEC and ACC play I the heat, so could the NFL.

It’s really more about him not admitting he made a mistake. He’s very arrogant about not being able to admit fault. Which is exactly what makes him a bad leader. He not only doesn’t admit mistakes, he doubles down on them.

 

[Bobhaze]

So out of the games that are 29-29 how many days were sunny, cloudy, rainy, snowing etc? This is critically important information To make a fair assessment !

Rags I look forward to your research on that question.

 

[goshann]

How in the hell doesn't the coach calling plays know when the patterns will be directly in the sunlight?

lol how many passing plays when you are going that way are not going to be impacted by the sun

Have you seen the pictures? Should we just run passs in the flat or quick screen ?

You sound like Jerry

 

[goshann]

Nah
Flawed analytics all over the place here
Close the thread

 

[Chuck 54]

The building design is foolish, and curtains should be used.

That said, why are we only 29-29 when we are the home team and have much more experience with it than the visiting teams?

 

[goshann]

Guys, I’m not sure you’ve noticed, but the quality of competition is usually better when we play at 3p.

Don’t get caught up in an indication bias and/or confounding variables.

This

 

[Bobhaze]

Guys, I’m not sure you’ve noticed, but the quality of competition is usually better when we play at 3p.

Don’t get caught up in an indication bias and/or confounding variables.

Except…did you also notice most of the prime time night games are on the positive side of the ledger too. And those games are also mostly against better competition.

 

[blueblood70]

One thing made crystal clear to anyone who hasn’t already known is this: Jerry Jones has made it certain that he cares more about stadium aesthetics than he does giving his team the best chance to win. His eagles postgame rant about the sun is beyond embarrassing. It’s telling.

Since the Cowboys began playing at AT&T stadium in 2009, look at their record in afternoon games (the 3:00 PM afternoon slot) vs the noon kickoff time or the nighttime kickoff times:

• In all regular season and postseason games since 2009, the Cowboys are 29-29 at AT&T in afternoon games. (That’s 3:00 PM slot like last Sunday’s game at AT&T)
• But, the Cowboys are 48-25 in noon and evening games when the sun is not a factor.
• That is a +23 game difference when we aren’t playing in Jerry’s sunbath.

That 29-29 record in sun affected games includes the Jan, 2022 home playoff loss to the niners 23-17. Most Cowboys fans will remember the critical moment late in the first half of that game when Cowboys receiver Cedric Wilson was wide open on a key pass in niner territory but was blinded by the sunlight and never saw it. It cost the Cowboys points…in a playoff game!

So if anyone brings up again that Jerry Jones really wants to win, we can all agree he doesn’t want to win if it means putting up curtains. He loves his beloved “stayjum” more than winning. Truth.

First of all this is hilarious I mean do you realize that both teams play in it so you're telling me the Cowboys are the only ones affected by it so you're using their record so the other team somehow gets over it and they win games at AT&T despite the sun coming through the mirror?

You guys will find anything to complain about you do realize there are stadiums all over the country throughout the history of the NFL that have had sunlight in them you know they play outdoors they had to use copious amounts of eye black face black and still had to deal with some of the sun and I realize it's a little different 'cause it's like a magnifying glass but I'm telling you how about all the stadiums with the bad fields you remember the mud bowls we had to play in San Francisco literally look like a backyard pickup game it was so bad right now you have turf that you slip on that guys are getting hurt on at some stadiums and not at others you literally have to deal with wind and rain and I don't know long time delays because of electrical storms I mean there are things that you deal with as NFL players and teams and you know it's part of this place you're going weather Mother Nature is at all stadiums but yeah it's an indoor stadium and maybe it shouldn't be there but the fact that it's been there since 2009 and I can only remember maybe once a year one play that mattered where actually affected the game like that play not the total game that play//

also let me remind you again that both teams playing it so how can the Cowboys record be different than the other teams somehow they learn how to deal with it and we haven't but what I wanted to add in I watched that play and I haven't watched it over and over but I'm telling you he missed that ball which by the way somehow number 87 I believe that's Ferguson he saw it but he knew the ball wasn't to him or he assumed it might be to the back of the end zone he blocked lambs view he literally iced our own player behind him and that is on Mike McCarthy are you not gonna sit here and tell me even in this one game how many times patterns guys were running into each other trying to go around each other to finish their pattern you know how much timing that throws off but that particular play there's no way you should have had another guy crossing you remember when it happened to Ezekiel Elliott ducked in a game about a month ago because he wasn't sure if the ball was to him or the guy behind him why is the guy behind him that close why are these routes so close that that matters so much but I'm telling you the sunlight may have been there but number 87 blocking lamb's view and by the way that ball was diving it was headed towards the ground after it passed 87 I'm not sure if that would've even got to lamb maybe he could have put on the brakes but that was a poorly thrown ball like all the rest of them if it was supposed to go to seven that was a perfectly thrown ball and I think that's where it was going so you could blame the sunlight all you want this is my rant for you if you're gonna bring in the Cowboys record at Cowboys Stadium is saying the sunlight's affecting them how is it it's not affecting the other team are you gonna try to tell me 'cause it's split we lost home field advantage because of five plays a year with with that type of sunlight at that exact angle it only happens like one game a year and maybe at two or three plays a year and you're trying to tell me we should be sitting here complaining about that and not Mike McCartney sad offense and our two backup quarterbacks sad offense in that in alone in that play describes how this season's been going too many players in the same area it's making it too easy to have defensive backs break off their guy go underneath to the other guy it has guys ducking running into or around each other this is like one of the worst offensive route tree schemes I've ever seen and we're talking about the damn sunlight and yes I gotta run out of the house so you're getting another long rant and I can't edit it because we can't even go back and edit later..

This is a systemic problem where we worry about one or two plays a year where we can blame the sun instead of blaming the real parties that would be Cooper rush and that would be Mike McCarthy's play designs and the fact is 87 should've went and got that ball I believe it was for him and I'm sorry you're gonna have a hard time telling me otherwise and even without the sunlight that ball looked like it was not on target to lead lamb if that was for him he was running past it the ball was gonna be behind him and by the way it might have been intercepted maybe the blinding light kept that from being an interception because if everyone could see it and he had to stop so would have the DB so maybe the sunlight blinded the DB and he couldn't see it either therefore he wouldn't have got that ball but hey let's talk about all that instead of the sunlight yeah it's the sunlight that's the problem somehow we won 18 home games in a row despite the sun and now because we're on a little losing streak you find a new narrative to create some content with and we get it Bob your content creator here and here we are...

 

[MoistMayonnaise]

How in the hell doesn't the coach calling plays know when the patterns will be directly in the sunlight?

They do.

 

[blueblood70]

The building design is foolish, and curtains should be used.

That said, why are we only 29-29 when we are the home team and have much more experience with it than the visiting teams?

lmao 100 % that's what I said that's the first thing I thought of is somehow Bob wanted to create some content he forgot that both teams play on the same field and Jerry Jones said that and by the way how about all the other fields with rain sleet snow ice wind or bad turf where everyone slipping and getting hurt I mean going back to the San Francisco days we had to play in mud and a sloppy field you knew it was gonna happen when you went there somehow Bob forgot the other team somehow adapted somehow those 5 total plays maybe in a year in two different games in the sun at that exact angle which is very very few is now an excuse for why we're losing instead of the 87 blocking the view of lamb he had to duck why are those route trees in that very game did you see lamb had to go around a couple dudes and almost ran flat into his own guy in order to get that ball which if he didn't have to it's probably on time and in the end zone instead he fell on the ground to make an 8 yard first down catch that's the Rotary issues the problem is you had your own player icing you out he literally blocked lambs you and when that ball was headed past 87 and I watched that play over and over lamb was running too fast One Direction and that ball was gonna be behind him probably intercepted so thank you son for keeping us from having an interception..

 

[Whyjerry]

The other teams have to deal with it too. The issues extend beyond the sun. I would look at the owners box where the gremlin and his ruddy nepo baby sit.

 

[Silver N Blue]

One thing made crystal clear to anyone who hasn’t already known is this: Jerry Jones has made it certain that he cares more about stadium aesthetics than he does giving his team the best chance to win. His eagles postgame rant about the sun is beyond embarrassing. It’s telling.

Since the Cowboys began playing at AT&T stadium in 2009, look at their record in afternoon games (the 3:00 PM afternoon slot) vs the noon kickoff time or the nighttime kickoff times:

• In all regular season and postseason games since 2009, the Cowboys are 29-29 at AT&T in afternoon games. (That’s 3:00 PM slot like last Sunday’s game at AT&T)
• But, the Cowboys are 48-25 in noon and evening games when the sun is not a factor.
• That is a +23 game difference when we aren’t playing in Jerry’s sunbath.

That 29-29 record in sun affected games includes the Jan, 2022 home playoff loss to the niners 23-17. Most Cowboys fans will remember the critical moment late in the first half of that game when Cowboys receiver Cedric Wilson was wide open on a key pass in niner territory but was blinded by the sunlight and never saw it. It cost the Cowboys points…in a playoff game!

So if anyone brings up again that Jerry Jones really wants to win, we can all agree he doesn’t want to win if it means putting up curtains. He loves his beloved “stayjum” more than winning. Truth.

Absolutely incredible and telling. Fans have to quit giving these bafoons money or it will never end.

 

[Silver N Blue]

McCarthy doesn't even know how to manage the clock so he's definitely not going to figure that out either.

He clearly can't see the clock from the light...give the guy a break...jk...

 

[SlammedZero]

It's ridiculous that this is still an issue. Just install a shade system and move on, but for some reason, Jerry insists on dying on this hill. For what? Just to prove he’s stubborn?

Playing in blinding sunlight shouldn’t have to be part of a coach's game plan. It doesn’t even give the home team an edge. If Jerry wants a real home-field advantage, how about putting a quality team on the field? The fans will show up loud and proud if the product on the field is worth it.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

How in the hell doesn't the coach calling plays know when the patterns will be directly in the sunlight?

What do you want them to do, run plays where three receivers are all in only one half (or one third) of the endzone?

Please don't buy into Jerry's absurd and ridiculous arguments on this.