CFZ The Curtain Controversy: Cowboys record in the 3:00 kickoff games is telling

[Manster_Mash]

But that 3PM time slot is indicative of them playing better teams (national game). Correlation is not causality.

 

[rags747]

Rags I look forward to your research on that question.

Absolute zero interest. You love Statistics it would seem so not clear on why u would only post an incomplete picture. No worries…

 

[Bobhaze]

But that 3PM time slot is indicative of them playing better teams (national game). Correlation is not causality.

But what about the prime time games like Sun night football? Aren't those mostly against better opponents since they are national games? We have a +23 in games where the sun isn’t a factor.

Absolute zero interest. You love Statistics it would seem so not clear on why u would only post an incomplete picture. No worries…

So tell us what’s incomplete? I’m interested in knowing.

 

[HungryLion]

How in the hell doesn't the coach calling plays know when the patterns will be directly in the sunlight?

Is this a serious question?

1. Sides change each quarter anyway.

2. What plays are there that can be run while blind?

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

If we win the coin toss the other team gets to choose which side to defend, meaning they get to choose who goes right to left in the 2nd quarter. That is why this is not home-field advantage, it's a crap shoot. Guess who won the coin toss Sunday.

we don't win the coin toss all the time

 

[rags747]

But what about the prime time games like Sun night football? Aren't those mostly against better opponents since they are national games? We have a +23 in games where the sun isn’t a factor.

So tell us what’s incomplete? I’m interested in knowing.

U said the 3pm games the record was 29-29. Obviously u were making a statement there of some kind. Most would read your statement and figure that the sun had something to do with that 500 record. The thinking person would immediately wonder how many of those games at 3pm were actually in the sun, maybe only 10% of those games were in the sun and Dallas actually won all 10%. At the end of the day I’m saying that your 3pm 29-29 games record is an Empty statement that is trying to say something but it really is saying nothing.

And again I have zero interest in looking into this further. Thx…

 

[irishline]

we don't win the coin toss all the time

I didn't say we did. I also didn't realize this issue happens to the Cowboys every late afternoon game as your reply above seems you are insinuating (can you show me something that says it does, cause I am not aware of it). Do we know if the Cowboys are unaware and choosing to go into the sun during the second quarter when they lose the coin toss and have the opportunity to select (seems kind of hard to believe to me, but who knows)?

There is a 50/50 chance we win the coin toss. We did on Sunday and the Eagles used it against us. Do you think they are the only team that does? Do you think Sunday was by chance and the Eagles didn't know about the sun? I'm sure teams do... Just like Jerry said "we know where the sun is going to be", so do they. That's why it's stupid.

So based on probability, there is a 50% chance your statement is mute because the other team can choose and we are forced to go that way.

More telling stats would be our record in those games when we won the toss versus when we lost the toss don't you think? Also, which way did the opposing team choose to defend first when they had the opportunity to select?

 

[Manster_Mash]

But what about the prime time games like Sun night football? Aren't those mostly against better opponents since they are national games? We have a +23 in games where the sun isn’t a factor.

Perhaps. But those night games sxhedules are set in the offseason (before Flexing) and the Sunday afternoon games can be moved to that 3pm slot based on interest. I think the networks also have more power to select the games of choice since there is competition those days that the primetime games do not have to face. It would be interesting to incorporate opponent strength into your dataset though. I like that you put this all together.

 

[BaybeeJay]

Except…did you also notice most of the prime time night games are on the positive side of the ledger too. And those games are also mostly against better competition.

Remove the noon games from your analysis. Or compare before and after day light savings time for 3p kickoff. Or run a correction for opponent win%.

 

[G2]

The one Wilson couldn't see vs. the 49ers still burns.

 

[DuncanIso]

Jerry has OCD.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Maybe the cowboys players are all jsut brain dead from staring at the sun all the time?

 

[Ozone22]

Jerry acts like it is some home field advantage.
Memo for Jerry Jones: It doesn't matter if you have a Star on your helmet or not. Looking into the sun usually doesn't work for anyone.

 

[Bobhaze]

Remove the noon games from your analysis. Or compare before and after day light savings time for 3p kickoff. Or run a correction for opponent win%.

The information I shared was taken from the local Dallas Newspaper published yesterday. I did no research other than what I read in the local news outlet.

Maybe you could do some additional research on this. I would welcome any additional factual information to be added.

 

[mrmojo]

I don't get what the home field advantage is anyway, either our QB will be passing with the sun is his eyes or the WR will be cathing the ball with the sun the their eyes. AND it doesnt look good on TV.

But who am I, i can barely afford (or to lazy) to put drapes in the den.

 

[DenCWBY]

I have asked the question a number of times, why does it seem to affect Dallas more than than visiting teams? I don't have an answer but at the end of the day it does, so Jerry's assumption that it gives them an advantage is not corroborated by what is actually happening on the field. We keep seeing it happen to Dallas.

I don't think it can be controlled either. If the Cowboys win the toss perhaps they can take the side of the field away from the sun, but if they lose the toss they can't control that. That's a 50-50 proposition. Even if they win the toss and get the side of the field they want the defense still has to be looking into the sun which potentially blinds them to certain plays.

IMO, using the sun to an advantage or not is silly stuff. Block the sun and play the game.

It's too late. Now that Jerry has made a public spectacle of the issue and made his decision (in haste), he will not cover the windows even if the factual data shows it's a disadvantage to the DC. His ego over everything to do with this team is obviously more important to him. Nothing will change with this team until he's gone.

 

[BleedSilverandBlue]

How in the hell doesn't the coach calling plays know when the patterns will be directly in the sunlight?

Why in the world would we knowingly force our coaches to have to account for such a ridiculous additional constraint by refusing to tint or cover the windows for games when it would be a factor?

 

[Hawkeye0202]

The information I shared was taken from the local Dallas Newspaper published yesterday. I did no research other than what I read in the local news outlet.

Maybe you could do some additional research on this. I would welcome any additional factual information to be added.

You read this?

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I didn't say we did. I also didn't realize this issue happens to the Cowboys every late afternoon game as your reply above seems you are insinuating (can you show me something that says it does, cause I am not aware of it). Do we know if the Cowboys are unaware and choosing to go into the sun during the second quarter when they lose the coin toss and have the opportunity to select (seems kind of hard to believe to me, but who knows)?

There is a 50/50 chance we win the coin toss. We did on Sunday and the Eagles used it against us. Do you think they are the only team that does? Do you think Sunday was by chance and the Eagles didn't know about the sun? I'm sure teams do... Just like Jerry said "we know where the sun is going to be", so do they. That's why it's stupid.

So based on probability, there is a 50% chance your statement is mute because the other team can choose and we are forced to go that way.

More telling stats would be our record in those games when we won the toss versus when we lost the toss don't you think? Also, which way did the opposing team choose to defend first when they had the opportunity to select?

you got way too upset over my comment

 

[rambo2]

The best I can make out (not fluent in 82 year old hillbilly mind you), but going west the sun will affect the QB who is looking directly into it.

Going east the sun will affect the WR who is looking back to the west to make the catch.

So the coaches are supposed to factor these nuances into the game plan so neither the QB or the receiver is looking west into the sun at certain times of the day.

Strangely Booger understood all this before the game, approved the game plan and didn't bother asking, "Have you factored in where the sun will be?"

It sucks whatever it is. Nobody wants to watch blinded players.