The defense will be better with Zeke

[Sydla]

look at eagles is all you have to do. Eagles were scoring so fast, there defense was tiring out towards the end of game

slow the game down and you will be more effective in both offense and defense

skewed stats is all that is being thrown around without looking at what is actually going on

Again................. why do people confuse the argument? Yes, if the defense doesn't spend a lot of time on the field they will be fresher. No one denies that.

The debate here is over saying that the reason the 2015 defense was worse than the 2014 defense was largely because they were on the field too long. They weren't compared to 2014.

The defense failed for reasons higher on the list than "being on the field" too long.

 

[jnday]

Right............we had our pick of every defensive player in the draft but Bosa and there was NO ONE good enough right? Dont make me laugh.

Apparently not. Zeke was their highest rated player. I get that you didn't like the pick, but Zeke will have more impact than any defensive player in the draft. By the way, I was never on the Zeke bandwagon. I look at this from strictly a team building standpoint . In the particular offense that the Cowboys run, a great RB is worth the 4th pick. Now if you believe that drafting a player that the team had rated lower was the answer, so be it. If there was a top pass rusher in the draft, I would have been all for it. I would have been okay with Bosa if the team had rated him higher. I don't want any DB in any draft with a top five pick.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Trapper and Collins will never start. They are backups. Smith wont help this year and will be a rookie next season after a year out of football. We will be lucky if he makes an impact 3 years from now if ever at all. The only GREAT pick was Zeke and he was a poor value pick at #4. The QB will most likely never pan out. If anything, his presence will keep Jerry from taking a QB high which is what he should do in the next few years. Then he will hand him the keys to the franchise like he did Quincy.

That is what I dont like about this draft.

well this is a fan's opinion, that includes mine, not people who are paid to do these drafts. Everything you state here is worst case scenario not based on anything but a personal opinion. I respect that, but it is what it is. We will see

 

[The Quest for Six]

Apparently the team sees it differently than you and a lot of this board.

They inquired about trading for Murray, drafted a RB at 4, and drafted a RB in the 6th.

To me, this doesnt sound like a team that is convinced its the Oline.

by team, you mean Jerry, thee worst GM in the league.....cowboys weren't interested in getting Murray back...and in today's NFL, it's a wasted pick using a top five pick on a running back, philosophy wise, nothing against Zeke, he's a good back but in the last 15 years, there's been 6 top ten backs drafted with only one reaching pro bowl status, it's just not a valued position as it once was in the Arena league that is the NFL

 

[jnday]

Again................. why do people confuse the argument? Yes, if the defense doesn't spend a lot of time on the field they will be fresher. No one denies that.

The debate here is over saying that the reason the 2015 defense was worse than the 2014 defense was largely because they were on the field too long. They weren't compared to 2014.

The defense failed for reasons higher on the list than "being on the field" too long.

There was several reasons for the failed defense last year. No single factor was responsible. It was a combination of things.

 

[erod]

lol.... I don't think I've ever seen anyone paint an ideal picture in his head and only see things through rose-tinted glasses like this before ever.

ZEKE INSTANT IMPACT, SAVES THE DEFENSE, CONVERTS TWELVE TIMES AS MANY FIRST DOWNS AS DMAC/MORRIS, COMES IN AND BLOCKS EVERY BLITZER DAY 1, TURNS A DUMP OFF INTO 80 YARD TD ONCE A GAME, INSTILLS ATTITUDE, RAMSEY DOES NOTHING FOR THREE YEARS IF ANYTHING AT ALL.

Football 101.

Running backs are immediate. Other positions take time.

Are you new to football?

 

[erod]

There was several reasons for the failed defense last year. No single factor was responsible. It was a combination of things.

The defense held up well much of last year early in games. Very well, in fact.

The offense was just so awful, it killed the defenses spirit as much as their legs. Games got ugly in the second half.

 

[BrassCowboy]

They weren't good. Like I said, the correlation isn't there. Just because you can run in the red zone doesn't mean you can pass in the red zone. And you don't have to run well in the red zone to pass well in the red zone.

I do believe a good balance is ideal for a powerhouse team, not that a team "couldn't" be a superbowl team if they were only great at one or the other, but I believe your chances are better the better you are at both.

 

[Sydla]

There was several reasons for the failed defense last year. No single factor was responsible. It was a combination of things.

Being on the field too long compared to 2014 isn't really one of them.

 

[Sydla]

Football 101.

Running backs are immediate. Other positions take time.

Are you new to football?

I forgot that Marcus Peters plays TB. Same with Earl Thomas.

They must have been TBs to make immediate impacts on KC and Seattle.

 

[KJJ]

Us drafting Elliott at No. 4 doesn't change anything, just like Trent Richardson getting drafted at No. 3 didn't change anything, Reggie Bush getting drafted at No. 2 didn't change anything, Ronnie Brown getting drafted No. 2 didn't change anything, Cedric Benson getting drafted No. 4 didn't change anything, Cadillac Williams gettiing drafted at No. 5 didn't change anything, LaDainian Tomlinson getting drafted at No. 5 didn't change anything ... ad infinitum. The truth is still the truth, and a player getting drafted doesn't change anything.

If you think something that has been true in the NFL for decades is going to change all of a sudden because Ezekiel Elliott got drafted, good luck with that. It won't change.

None of those backs you mentioned had the opportunity to run behind the OL Zeke will be running behind. The Cowboys did what any smart team would do and that's pair a great back with a great OL. If Zeke stays healthy our running game will become more efficient/consistent and we'll score more rushing TD's which will take a lot of pressure off Romo. We improved the team with that pick and you're just too absorbed in stats that don't tell the whole story to see it.

 

[Jake0]

Football 101.

Running backs are immediate. Other positions take time.

Are you new to football?

Yea okay buddy. We'll see how things play out. I've got a little hunch that reality isn't gonna look anywhere close to what your utopia is.

 

[jnday]

You must be mistaken. I am not one making the TOP argument. It's your fellow Elliott fans rambling on about how Zeke running keeps the defense off the field longer............ you know, TOP. But the TOP numbers are pretty similar for 2014 and 2015. So their theory about keeping the D fresher doesn't seem to hold up.

So if you have a problem with TOP, take it up with them. They are the ones trying to use it in a pro-Elliott manner.

Have you considered that TOP may improve with Zeke? It should improve and it is overlooked that Zeke prevents Dallas from declining in the TOP which could easily happen.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Apparently not. Zeke was their highest rated player. I get that you didn't like the pick, but Zeke will have more impact than any defensive player in the draft. By the way, I was never on the Zeke bandwagon. I look at this from strictly a team building standpoint . In the particular offense that the Cowboys run, a great RB is worth the 4th pick. Now if you believe that drafting a player that the team had rated lower was the answer, so be it. If there was a top pass rusher in the draft, I would have been all for it. I would have been okay with Bosa if the team had rated him higher. I don't want any DB in any draft with a top five pick.

First off, you bought that line about being the highest rated player, I didnt.

And second, who cares if he was rated highest on their board, the Cowboys have shown over and over they get this stuff wrong all the time. The question is, why was he rated the highest. And what Garrett said is that he was rated the guy they thought could improve their team the most for next year. Short term. So it wasnt about value, it was about short term improvement. That is the Cowboys all the way.

 

[Sydla]

Have you considered that TOP may improve with Zeke? It should improve and it is overlooked that Zeke prevents Dallas from declining in the TOP which could easily happen.

It would seem unlikely unless you think Elliott is going to eclipse the success Murray had in 2014? I suspect TOP numbers will be pretty much in line with 2015 and 2014.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There was no defensive player that justified taking over Zeke. This defense got a lot of help in this draft. It's not like it was ignored.

Sorry but if you are trying to make an argument in a public forum it helps to consider that there are a wide range of rational opinions and not just your own.

To say that there is no justification for Ramsey over Zeke is asinine.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The defense held up well much of last year early in games. Very well, in fact.

The offense was just so awful, it killed the defenses spirit as much as their legs. Games got ugly in the second half.

LOL

 

[Dorsett33]

It is a simple concept. One I have been telling people for years. But drafting an offensive player does not improve the defense. It simply allows you to possibly keep them off the field. Once they get on the field, they are not any better than they were before. Only by drafting a stud pass rusher or CB can you actually improve that side of the ball.

It's not about drafting JUST an offensive player. You have an offensive player that will help control the clock. A player that if you focus on, Dez is one on one with a CB and I think we all like his chances. The more the offense is on the field, the more rest and less time the defense is on the field. I don't think anyone is disputing that a stud DL or CB (which if you have a stud CB and no pass rush, you can easily ruin his career because you kill his confidence), it will improve the defense. But, there are more ways to improve the defense. You keep them fresh and not worn down. That's the logic of drafting an offensive player that can do that....not just any offensive player. This team has weapons all over the field and it will force teams to pick their poison.

 

[WillieBeamen]

by team, you mean Jerry, thee worst GM in the league.....cowboys weren't interested in getting Murray back...and in today's NFL, it's a wasted pick using a top five pick on a running back, philosophy wise, nothing against Zeke, he's a good back but in the last 15 years, there's been 6 top ten backs drafted with only one reaching pro bowl status, it's just not a valued position as it once was in the Arena league that is the NFL

Garrett is one of the main ones that wanted Zeke.

And as far as the 6 top 10 backs drafted with 1 pro bowl, what does that have to do with Zeke?

Zeke wasnt one of those backs, so that stat is irrelevant

 

[erod]

LOL

Go check the halftime scores, buddy, and get back to me.