The Dez Bryant "Realistic Analysis" Thread

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First off, let me say that this thread is not designed to be a let's bash Dez thread. It is intended to be my view of what Dez Bryant represents to this team.

First off, let's talk about Dez Bryant's talent level. I think Dez is a talented player who was not a wasted draft pick. He has been a serviceable player for the Cowboys who has flashed even more potential, as both a receiver and return man. His versatility, gives him added value. He is a decent quality starter in the NFL as far as pure talent is concerned. You can't "teach" size or athleticism. He obviously has both.

He is NOT a bust based on what he has done so far. However, in my opinion, he is not nearly the player that many on here believe him to be.

Let me be clear on this point. I do not believe that, at this point in his career, he is anywhere near the caliber of player that a guy like Calvin Johnson is. It is not even close. Dez is not chopped liver, but to value him like a Calvin Johnson type of player is just absurd.

Be objective and ask yourself, is he really better than Laurent Robinson? Is he better than a healthy Miles Austin? I would suggest that based on production he is the THIRD best receiver on his own team. At this point I am frustrated with the year that Miles Austin had, but assuming he is healthy I think he is a much better (and faster, and smarter) player than Dez is. Robinson was reliable game in and game out. I know Robinson is not "proven" but I don't think the year he had was a fluke.

It is entirely possible that Robinson will continue to outpace Dez in production. He seems to have Romo's trust.

Dez' off the field issues are well documented. He obviously has quite a few errors in judgment in such a short NFL career. While I don't really care as much about character as most do in this overly politically correct choirboy NFL, if Dez' off the field issues continue, they indicate a mentality that is counter productive to a cohesive team. I think Dez may be a ticking time bomb waiting to go off. Those are distractions that the Cowboys simply don't need.

One more thing. It seems that Dez' route running in the past has been suspect because he either has no clue what route he is running, or isn't running the routes precisely and crisply like they are supposed be run because he is just too lazy to do it.

The last reason is the thing that really concerns me about Dez. He has had ample time to learn what routes he is supposed to run. It is obvious that Tony Romo does not trust him in certain situations. That fact is huge, because if you look back, Tony Romo has been the type of QB who throws it to the open guy no matter who it was.... especially early in his career. I think the exception to that rule was when he sometimes forced the ball to T.O. to try to keep him happy. In the long run ... that never works.
 
This should end well considering your "realistic" assumptions aren't necessarily based in factual evidence if you're relying on the media's biased opinion. Quick example? Dez's off the field troubles are highly disputed depending on the source. Some of the money issues are, but there's a ton of stuff we have no idea about so it sounds like you're making a judgement call based on what you choose to believe.

TBPH, this looks like it should be merged with another thread. Same stuff, new title.
 
He's definitely better than Laurent Robinson. I believe Eskimo pointed this out there's a reason Robinson was cut by St. Louis and San Diego because he wasn't very good. He doesn't get much if any seperation. The main reason he's always wide open is because of all the attention Dez and Miles get. Is Dez better than a healthy Miles? That remains to be seen. As for the Calvin Johnson comment we have no way of knowing if he'll be the next Calvin Johnson. He certaintly has the talent, but we just have to wait and see how he develops. Even if he doesn't it's no shame because CJ is the best wideout in the NFL. Dez had a very good season. Not spectacular, but solid. Nearly 10 TD's and 1,000 yards recieving. Not too shabby at all.

Saying Dez is the 3rd best reciever on the team is an absurd and laughable comment. That basically kills your credibility.
 
SaltwaterServr;4384522 said:
This should end well considering your "realistic" assumptions aren't necessarily based in factual evidence if you're relying on the media's biased opinion. Quick example? Dez's off the field troubles are highly disputed depending on the source. Some of the money issues are, but there's a ton of stuff we have no idea about so it sounds like you're making a judgement call based on what you choose to believe.

TBPH, this looks like it should be merged with another thread. Same stuff, new title.

Dez' off the field issues were a small part of my OP, and I think you missed the point entirely. As far as his off the field issues are concerned, there have been SEVERAL different events reported by the media concerning Dez. You don't hear any reporting of flaky things surrounding players like Witten, Ware, etc. Where there is CONSISTENT smoke, there is likely fire, and it is a red flag on that player.
 
Verdict;4384528 said:
Dez' off the field issues were a small part of my OP, and I think you missed the point entirely. As far as his off the field issues are concerned, there have been SEVERAL different events reported by the media concerning Dez. You don't hear any reporting of flaky things surrounding players like Witten, Ware, etc. Where there is CONSISTENT smoke, there is likely fire, and it is a red flag on that player.

You mean mediots? Yeah because they're so reliable. :rolleyes:

They spend half the time talking out of their *** and making stuff up.
 
Cowboys&LakersFan;4384527 said:
He's definitely better than Laurent Robinson.

What is the objective basis for that statement?
 
Verdict;4384530 said:
What is the objective basis for that statement?

His stats are better and as I said he's often double and triple teamed which is why Robinson is always open. Robinson was exposed in San Diego and St. Louis. He's a good #3 reciever, but by no means can he be a go to reciever.
 
Cowboys&LakersFan;4384529 said:
You mean mediots? Yeah because they're so reliable. :rolleyes:

They spend half the time talking out of their *** and making stuff up.

The same thing was said about T.O. I have no independent personal knowledge about DEZ, but the repetitive lapses indicate that either he is dumber than a box of rocks, OR has some sort of personality disorder, or both. If he has certain types of personality disorders, then his issues will continue to pop up and get worse, unless he is treated for them (and maybe even if he does).
 
Cowboys&LakersFan;4384527 said:
I believe Eskimo pointed this out there's a reason Robinson was cut by St. Louis and San Diego because he wasn't very good.

He looked pretty good playing for the Cowboys this year. If he fumbled the ball in 5th grade, is that also evidence that he sucks NOW?
 
Cowboys&LakersFan;4384527 said:
As for the Calvin Johnson comment we have no way of knowing if he'll be the next Calvin Johnson. He certaintly has the talent, but we just have to wait and see how he develops..


Right now DEZ is not even in Calvin Johnson's rear view mirror in terms of talent. While it is impossible to know exactly how high Dez' upside is, he is currently just not even in the same ballpark as Calvin Johnson, or healthy Andre Johnson. To say that he currently is that type of player is premature AT BEST, if not pure folly.

Just remember .... games are not won based on POTENTIAL, they are won on actual performance. Dez has been more potential than performance so far.
 
Verdict;4384528 said:
Dez' off the field issues were a small part of my OP, and I think you missed the point entirely. As far as his off the field issues are concerned, there have been SEVERAL different events reported by the media concerning Dez. You don't hear any reporting of flaky things surrounding players like Witten, Ware, etc. Where there is CONSISTENT smoke, there is likely fire, and it is a red flag on that player.

No need to address it, you're point was just punked by a kid in high school.

Moreover, you're in no way being "realistic" about Dez. You've made your mind up and are pushing that agenda.

My advice? Get a wheelbarrow. You'll fit more in it than by carrying **** by hand, and you'll get better leverage as well.

Have fun with your thread.
 
you don't honestly believe laurent robinson is better than dez bryant.

take dez off this team and let laurent go against 1st and 2nd corners, lets see how he does.
 
An analysis of the coverages applied by other teams would show something of Dez's perceived threat as a WR. If other teams consistantly double him, or assign their best cover man to him, then that will tell you the tale. Care to actually check?

Both Austin and Robinson have years more experiance than Dez does, and iirc Dez has some bona fide learning issues. He's also been shorted training time over both offseasons.
 
Same old same old the lovers love the haters hate. Truth is likely in the middle. As far as off the field goes only time will tell. There should be no question he has some growing up to do as do all 23 year olds
 
I think we need a productive, shifty slot WR here. I think what happens is if everything works out, he will motivate Dez to the fullest and we can now use different personnel at WR in 3-WR formations or go to some 4-WR formations. If it doesn't quite work out, we can insert the shifty slot WR into the lineup with either Dez and Miles, Dez and Laurent or Laurent and Miles if one gets injured or something else happens.

Personally, I wish Dez just learned the playbook better, refined his technique and read defenses better. The 'off the field' issues don't really matter to me unless they are affecting the play on the field. I think those who get all up in arms about it either have bought the media hype and speculation hook, line and sinker....or have hated Dez because he's a 'Jerry Pick' and their never ending quest of hating Jerry means that they get another shot in.

However, I think this year is the 3rd year for Dez. The year that really matters according to Landry. I think he's got everything working in his favor to have a big year. He'll have 2 years of experience under his belt, he shoudl understand the playbook by now and get better at his technique, and he'll have a full offseason of training under Woicik. If he can't meet our expectations, regardless of 'off the field' issues, we'll need to move on.







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I have been disappointed with Bryant's production compared with his potential/ability. I think he has a long ways to go to live up to expectations based on his athletic ability.

That said, there is no reason, other than a poor attitude, that he cannot become a top WR in the league with good coaching and some accountability. Too many people are telling this kid how great he is and not enough kicking him in the butt telling him to get his head out of it. That's my opinion of course, based on what I am seeing and NOT seeing from him on the field.

I think both Austin and Bryant took a step back this season and need to really pick it up next year. Neither guy was fighting for the ball like they should have. Neither guy was working hard to get open like they should have. Neither guy was showing the hustle on every play, blocking or being a good decoy when the ball was not called to go to them. In short they both failed to live up to expectations based on their ability and what they have shown in the past.

I don't think Bryant is a bust... yet, and if we let him go he is likely to become a huge success with another team because he does have the talent, he really just lacks motivation and good coaching IMO.
 
Dez has had 2 years as a professional ... he runs 3 routes and cant read defenses. You can talk about talent and potential until you are blue in the face ... it doesnt erase those facts. Until he fixes his game he should not be given an extension and should be let go at the end of his contract. We took a chance on WR with issues. Those issues have managed to keep him at his current productivity levels on the field.
 
Cowboys&LakersFan;4384527 said:
He's definitely better than Laurent Robinson. I believe Eskimo pointed this out there's a reason Robinson was cut by St. Louis and San Diego because he wasn't very good. He doesn't get much if any seperation. The main reason he's always wide open is because of all the attention Dez and Miles get. I

I get your point, but Miles was in and out of the lineup all year and didn't command the attention he normally does. Robinson played well when Miles was out.
 
JackWagon;4384638 said:
Dez has had 2 years as a professional ... he runs 3 routes and cant read defenses.

More "facts" that you pulled out of your rear.
 
I think Dez had a pretty good season in his 2nd year with 63 catches for 928 and 9 TD catches. I expect as many WR he will only get better going into his 3rd season. Overall I like Dallas skill position at QB, WR, TE and RB this is not an area I have concern over it is the big guys up front, that is what makes it all tick.
 

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