The Dez Bryant "Realistic Analysis" Thread

[Dodger]

Witten is aging but also he will have to block more on passing downs if they lose the best blocking TE in football. You can't catch passes while in to block.

Witten does consistently produce but his numbers also vary as a receiver. He caught 94 passes in 09 and 10 but only 79 last year. He is only 30 but is about to hit 10 years of NFL play. That's a tremendous wear and tear at TE.

In 05 and 06 he was down to 60+ catches because he had to block more. We drafted Fasano and Bennett in relatively short order because we wanted to keep Witten catching passes. When Fasano proved an unreliable blocker we kicked him to the curb and immediately drafted Bennett. Witten has averaged 86 catches per year with Bennett on the roster as the blocking TE.

Ah, okay. Right...Bennett gone, no one to help block. Sorry, I guess I'm slow today...

Well, I suppose that's possible, but I still doubt it. Witten is too important to the passing game to stay in an block that often. If Bennett leaves, I think the Cowboys would rather do what they can to find a replacement for him and use that guy to block anyway, even if he's not that good, instead of making Witten stay in to block.

Also consider that in 2005 we had Tucker and Pettiti as our tackles. The guys we have now are obviously better.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

I've been realistically analyzing him for 2 years now. All of you were saying "LOL R2A U LOVE MILES, DEZ BE TOP 5 WR IN 3 DAYS AND 25 MINUTES."

 

[Plumfool]

Thought this was a fair article about Dez.

http://mobile.bloggingtheboys.com/2...ust-be-patient-with-about-to-break-out-bryant

 

[28 Joker]

Dez Bryant is one of Dallas' very best players. Furthermore, Bryant was Dallas' best WR last year, and I think that is a story that really hasn't been "told".

According to STATS LLC, Bryant was ranked 3rd in TD in the first half (7), 6th in receiving TD (9), 9th in first down catches on 3rd down (20), 3rd in first down receptions on 3rd and > 7 (11), 16th (t) in > 25 yard receptions (10) (Robinson is one of the 5 players tied with Bryant), 19th in first down receptions (48/63)/Witten had 47/, 17th (t with Austin) in receptions inside opp 10 (4), and 19th in first downs per target (48/103).

Bryant ranked among the top 10 or 20 in eight different receiving categories kept by STATS LLC.

Moreover, according to PFF, Bryant had the 2nd best drop rate, in the NFL, among wide receivers. PFF has Bryant with 1 dropped pass after seeing 64 "catchable balls". That is a 98.4% catch rate on "catchable balls" (63/64). Bryant's hands are among the elite in the NFL while Nicks dropped 7 balls and ranked tied for 10th in dropped passes according to STATS LLC.

Hakeem Nicks is no better than Dez Bryant, either. In fact, Bryant is the better player, imo. Nicks (11th in receiving yards) accumulated 264 more yards during the regular season than Bryant, but Nicks was targeted 30 more times and ranked 11th in targets. Bryant wasn't even ranked in the top 20 in targets. That needs to change, imo.

It is up to the Cowboys coaches and Tony Romo to get Dez Bryant the ball more on shorter passes, so Bryant can use his outstanding RAC ability. RAC leads to YAC, and Bryant should be among the league leaders in YAC, imso.

I think Bill Walsh and Joe Montana would agree. Montana would be taking two and three step drops and throwing bullet short slants to Bryant.

 

[28 Joker]

I really pull for Dez Bryant, because he didn't have an ideal family life growing up. He isn't perfect (who is?), but he is hardly the villain some make him out to be.

I wish Bryant wouldn't hang out at those type of establishments, because nothing good ever happens after midnight. In fact, some really dangerous things can happen to you in those types of situations. I hope Bryant can learn from this and adjust, because he is really in a position to be great (as a player and person). I don't want to see him throw it all away. You have to protect yourself and not put yourself at needless risk. Look what happened to Ken Hamlin. He was almost killed by a street sign.

Nevertheless, people have sure done a whole lot worse when compared to Bryant's "issues". You can look around the NFL and see that or just look around you.

Cowboys fans should rally around Dez Bryant and pull for him, because again, Bryant has an opportunity to accomplish great things (on and off the football field).

It's not just "on the field" where Bryant can be great. The power that he has can be used to make a real difference in the world.

 

[dffl11]

Since you know so much, please take the test below:

Question 1: Which 3 routes does Bryant know how to run?

Question 2: Which other routes does Bryant NOT know how to run; what are they, and which ones is it imperative he master?

Question 3: What part of defensive alligment and coverage does Bryant not read well; can you provide two distinct examples where Bryant misred the defense and that led to a negative play?

Question 4: On plays where Bryant either makes a good reception or scores a TD, does he also misread defenses and coverages as well? If so then how do you explain the positive production?

Thanks!

Im guessing "Jackwagon" ran like the wind when he saw this post. LMAO........some people take themselves a whole hell of a lot more serious then they should. Hell I coach football (high school) and love this game and care about it so much that I study it every day and I am constantly reading books and finding new ways to coach and new drills to run....etc........I go over game film all year round, and all that considered......I'd never come out and try and say from my sofa (where we all 99.99% of us) that dez can only run 3 routes.....i would not read anyone's post past that statement .....Too Funny

Atleast he got his screen name right, very Good choice indeed!

 

[Dodger]

Montana would be taking two and three step drops and throwing bullet short slants to Bryant.

No, he'd be throwing balloons to a dart...

 

[28 Joker]

Dez Bryant missed 1,000 receiving yards by only 72 yards.

According to Bryan Broaddus, there were some times where Bryant was open this year, but Bryant didn't get the football. Broaddus cited the first Giants game as one example.

Furthermore, Bryant was over thrown twice against the Giants this year. The second time would have been a long TD. The first time may have cost Dallas a TD (@ Dallas). It would have been a significant gain and put Dallas in touchdown range.

If Tony Romo's 3rd and 5 vertical pass (@ Dallas) would have been directed at Dez Bryant, the Cowboys would have won the division, imo.

Who was that pass directed at, and how did that turn out?

 

[gmoney112]

Realistically...

He has phenomenal talent but is a young guy that needs to grow up and use his head more. Not unlike 99% of the general population at his age.

 

[28 Joker]

"Still you might say that Tate is at somewhat of an advantage since his sample size is a fair bit smaller than many of the top guys in the league. A valid point, and by moving the catchable balls minimum to 50 you then start to focus on a player who maybe doesn’t get the positive press he deserves; Dez Bryant. The Cowboys receiver has had his issues off the field, but our 10th ranked receiver on the year has dropped just the one ball all year while falling just short of a 1,000 yard season. The sky really is the limit with Bryant who has now dropped only four balls since entering the league. There are guys who have dropped more in one game".

Pro Football Focus

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...ping-the-ball/

 

[28 Joker]

I heard Bryan Broaddus on the radio (Galloway's show) talking about Bryant's improved route running during the season, ect... In fact, Broaddus used the words "improved greatly", in his writing, when describing Bryant's improved route running during the season.

Furthermore, Broaddus used the word "often" to describe how much Bryant was open in the first Giants game. Yet, Bryant caught only 1 bomb for a TD.

According to Bryan Broaddus, another area of Bryant's game that improved during the season was his ability to beat press coverage. Bryant demonstrated this improved skill in the first Giants game, too.

In the first Giants game, Broaddus describes Bryant beating press coverage and safety help and getting open "often", but again, the ball didn't come his way on those plays.

 

[28 Joker]

Dez Bryant beat press coverage and made a very good adjustment on his 50 yard TD according to Broaddus (1st Giants game).

If Dallas dials up Bryant (instead of Austin), on 3rd and 5, I think Dez Bryant gets to that pass and has 2 touchdowns in that game. Dallas wins the division.

Jason Garrett wouldn't be catching major heat, because his team would have been the NFC East Champion. The Giants and Eagles would have been sitting at home.

Where is that story when it comes to the WR position in Dallas?

 

[Spectre]

Dez Bryant has all the talent in the world- quite possibly as much or more than Cal John, IMO. The real difference between the two is Cal John has earned the utmost trust and confidence of his QB, the fear/respect of his defenders, perhaps a higher level of maturity and... most importantly... the opportunites.

Dez needs to earn those opportunities, but this team needs to give him them as well. Too many games passed where he wasn't even thrown to until the 4th. Ludicrous.

 

[bigboi]

Dez Bryant has all the talent in the world- quite possibly as much or more than Cal John, IMO. The real difference between the two is Cal John has earned the utmost trust and confidence of his QB, the fear/respect of his defenders, perhaps a higher level of maturity and... most importantly... the opportunites.

Dez needs to earn those opportunities, but this team needs to give him them as well. Too many games passed where he wasn't even thrown to until the 4th. Ludicrous.

Why does everybody keep saying this.

Dez Bryant struggles to break a 4.5 forty, Calvin Johnson runs a 4.3.

Calvin Johnson is 6'5 230 and has a 44 inch vertical, Dez Bryant is 6'2 218 there is no way he as talented or more talented than Calvin Johnson.

I don't know how this myth of him being in the category of Calvin or Andre Johnson started both players are much more physically talented than Dez.

Dez has great physical gifts but he is not freakishly talented like Calvin, Andre or Randy Moss.

 

[CowboySwagger]

First off, let me say that this thread is not designed to be a let's bash Dez thread. It is intended to be my view of what Dez Bryant represents to this team.

Let me be clear on this point. I do not believe that, at this point in his career, he is anywhere near the caliber of player that a guy like Calvin Johnson is. It is not even close. Dez is not chopped liver, but to value him like a Calvin Johnson type of player is just absurd.

I respectfully disagree with your view of what Dez Bryant means to this team. I also disagree with this being an indepth analysis because of lack of factual info.

It seems more speculative and opinion than indepth analysis because if you look at Calvin Johnson's, Andre Johnson's and Dez Bryants first 2 years they are not that different in terms of production.

I simply do not care for Dez Bryant's "off the field issues" because that is none of my business and what he does, unless he hurts the team which hasn't happened yet.

I also don't understand the false illusion of Calvin Johnson and those that are "freakish" being any reason to say one is better than another. Yes, Calvin is faster and jumps higher but in the NFL it's about production not the underwear olympics.

Dez Bryant has a better cost to production ratio than both Calvin and Andre in their first 2 seasons here are the numbers according to espn go.

Calvin Johnson's first 2 seasons

2nd overall pick signed to a 6 year 64 million (27.2 guaranteed)
Games: 31
Rec: 126
Yards: 2087 other yardage: 51 yards net rushing
TD's: 16 rec + 1 rushing TOTAL: 17 TD's
First down catches: 90

So for his huge contract the Lions got
4.0645 Rec/G
.548 TD's/G
2.9032 first down catches/G
2138 all purpose yards his first 2 seasons.

Andre Johnson's first 2 seasons

3rd overall pick signed to a 6 year 39 million (13.5 guaranteed)
Games: 32
Rec: 145
Yards: 2118 other yardage: 2 yards net rushing
TD's: 10 rec TOTAL: 10 TD's
First down catches: 98

So for his huge contract the Texans got
4.5312 Rec/G
.3125 TD's/G
3.06 first down catches/G
2120 all purpose yards his first 2 seasons.

Dez Bryant's first 2 seasons

24th overall pick signed to a 5 year 11.8 million (8.5 guaranteed)
Games: 27
Rec: 108
Yards: 1489 other yardage: 596 returning
TD's: 15 rec 2 Returning TOTAL: 17 TD's
First down catches: 75

So for peanuts the Cowboys got
4 Rec/G
.6296 TD's/G
2.77 first down catches/G
2085 all purpose yards his first 2 seasons

In conclusion, the OP mentions caliber and value and that Dez is not anywhere near these guys.......REALLY????? Based on what????? please tell me. According to production and in comparison to those the OP "values" Dez has earned his keep so far and what does DEZ BRYANT actually mean the to Cowboys?........VALUE.
11.8 mil for the same production oh and he only knows 3 routes (sarcasm)

Why can't you just be happy that we have a really good player with good production?

 

[tyke1doe]

Im guessing "Jackwagon" ran like the wind when he saw this post. LMAO........some people take themselves a whole hell of a lot more serious then they should. Hell I coach football (high school) and love this game and care about it so much that I study it every day and I am constantly reading books and finding new ways to coach and new drills to run....etc........I go over game film all year round, and all that considered......I'd never come out and try and say from my sofa (where we all 99.99% of us) that dez can only run 3 routes.....i would not read anyone's post past that statement .....Too Funny

Atleast he got his screen name right, very Good choice indeed!

 

[iceberg]

Since you know so much, please take the test below:

Question 1: Which 3 routes does Bryant know how to run?

Question 2: Which other routes does Bryant NOT know how to run; what are they, and which ones is it imperative he master?

Question 3: What part of defensive alligment and coverage does Bryant not read well; can you provide two distinct examples where Bryant misred the defense and that led to a negative play?

Question 4: On plays where Bryant either makes a good reception or scores a TD, does he also misread defenses and coverages as well? If so then how do you explain the positive production?

Thanks!

funny how some people profess to know it all until you ask them to be specific.

 

[jterrell]

Dez Bryant is one of Dallas' very best players. Furthermore, Bryant was Dallas' best WR last year, and I think that is a story that really hasn't been "told".

According to STATS LLC, Bryant was ranked 3rd in TD in the first half (7), 6th in receiving TD (9), 9th in first down catches on 3rd down (20), 3rd in first down receptions on 3rd and > 7 (11), 16th (t) in > 25 yard receptions (10) (Robinson is one of the 5 players tied with Bryant), 19th in first down receptions (48/63)/Witten had 47/, 17th (t with Austin) in receptions inside opp 10 (4), and 19th in first downs per target (48/103).

Bryant ranked among the top 10 or 20 in eight different receiving categories kept by STATS LLC.

Moreover, according to PFF, Bryant had the 2nd best drop rate, in the NFL, among wide receivers. PFF has Bryant with 1 dropped pass after seeing 64 "catchable balls". That is a 98.4% catch rate on "catchable balls" (63/64). Bryant's hands are among the elite in the NFL while Nicks dropped 7 balls and ranked tied for 10th in dropped passes according to STATS LLC.

Hakeem Nicks is no better than Dez Bryant, either. In fact, Bryant is the better player, imo. Nicks (11th in receiving yards) accumulated 264 more yards during the regular season than Bryant, but Nicks was targeted 30 more times and ranked 11th in targets. Bryant wasn't even ranked in the top 20 in targets. That needs to change, imo.

It is up to the Cowboys coaches and Tony Romo to get Dez Bryant the ball more on shorter passes, so Bryant can use his outstanding RAC ability. RAC leads to YAC, and Bryant should be among the league leaders in YAC, imso.

I think Bill Walsh and Joe Montana would agree. Montana would be taking two and three step drops and throwing bullet short slants to Bryant.

you reinforce one of my points.

if dez were on the field more he'd produce more impressively.
and if we were in better condition he'd produce more in 2nd halves.

his numbers were solid but they weren't outstanding.
he is definitely not a bust but he is far form reaching his maximum potential.

 

[JackWagon]

Im guessing "Jackwagon" ran like the wind when he saw this post. LMAO........some people take themselves a whole hell of a lot more serious then they should. Hell I coach football (high school) and love this game and care about it so much that I study it every day and I am constantly reading books and finding new ways to coach and new drills to run....etc........I go over game film all year round, and all that considered......I'd never come out and try and say from my sofa (where we all 99.99% of us) that dez can only run 3 routes.....i would not read anyone's post past that statement .....Too Funny

Atleast he got his screen name right, very Good choice indeed!

no ... i refuse to do "homework" to post on an internet forum ... im entitled to my opinion.

 

[iceberg]

no ... i refuse to do "homework" to post on an internet forum ... im entitled to my opinion.

you're entitled to say someone sucks but you have no idea as to why? you just parakeet media we know to be full of it?

yea, you're entitled to it for sure. but you just admitted you have no idea what you're talking about and don't care.

nice.