The Eagles Cap technique?

[KingCorcoran]

So is the SB we won in 1995 but that doesn't stop the homer crowd from trying to use it as a defense as to why we are the better franchise.

Right now, we aren't.

1995 is very ancient history by NFL standards.

 

[CWR]

They started addressing it with the oline, linebackers, and dline.

Agreed, which is why I'd have liked to have seen them get a DT in FA, and a RB, who has averaged over 4ypc in the last three years. They are potentially wasting another year by using hope as a tactic at those positions. It's just frustrating, it wouldn't have been hard to get a decent rb in FA. They weren't expensive. I always liked Zeke, but it's foolish to think the mileage hasn't caught up.

 

[rambo2]

Agreed, which is why I'd have liked to have seen them get a DT in FA, and a RB, who has averaged over 4ypc in the last three years. They are potentially wasting another year by using hope as a tactic at those positions. It's just frustrating, it wouldn't have been hard to get a decent rb in FA. They weren't expensive. I always liked Zeke, but it's foolish to think the mileage hasn't caught up.

They are going to need another dtackle from somewhere.

 

[Plankton]

Lmao. That’s the best you got. They lost the Super Bowl?


Haha

This dude makes Baghdad Bob look like an American sympathizer.

 

[rambo2]

This dude makes Baghdad Bob look like an American sympathizer.

Lol, you guys are ridiculous.

 

[Plankton]

Lol, you guys are ridiculous.

The only ridiculous person in all of this is you. You will blindly support whatever the front office of the Cowboys do, even when it's clear that they operate in a manner that is not conducive to playoff success. The Cowboys intentionally operate with one arm tied behind their back. Everyone sees this but you. You even took the ridiculous tack of saying that fans are quitting on the upcoming season as being some form of equivalence for people feeling that the team quit in the playoffs this past season. As if the fans are participating in the on field product.

 

[Cowboys1966]

Common practice around the league.

Not to the extent the Eagles do it.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Not to the extent the Eagles do it.

They’re giving new meaning to “all in”.

 

[Cowboys1966]

Any idiot knows how the system works. They do it we do it everyone does it. The difference is the eagles have success every now and them.

We do not use void years even close to what they do… Their off-season, could’ve been ours… With their mindset.

 

[Cowboys1966]

They’re giving new meaning to “all in”.

L O L… Considering our “all” actually meant “a little bit “

 

[CWR]

Man looking at those numbers again is that actually 1600 million the Eagles have in void year cap?

Holy crap, if so that has to catch up and devastate the team for a decade. It would also make me a little more lenient towards our FO and their spending habits. I hate to admit the last part too.

Am I reading that correctly?

EDIT: nm, it looks more like about 300 million. Not sure what the +1600 number represents. Still though, I'd say yall have gone all in and can't push those numbers forever. It'll be interesting to see if or when it catches up. The cap is so fluid it might not.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Man looking at those numbers again is that actually 1600 million the Eagles have in void year cap?

Holy crap, if so that has to catch up and devastate the team for a decade. It would also make me a little more lenient towards our FO and their spending habits. I hate to admit the last part too.

Am I reading that correctly?

EDIT: nm, it looks more like about 300 million. Not sure what the +1600 number represents. Still though, I'd say yall have gone all in and can't push those numbers forever. It'll be interesting to see if or when it catches up. The cap is so fluid it might not.

On the left it indicates those are the SB odds

I think the most common misconception here is that in 2025 or 2026 Philadelphia will take the 300m$ cap hit and have to cut most of our good players. People talk about “one day these contracts will end and you’ll be stuck with a huge dead cap number.” They already have, and they continue to do it ever year. Fletcher Cox, Jason Kelce, Javon Hargrave, Carson Wentz; we’ve been eating them year after year and come out the other side.

The reality is we have 40m$ in dead money this year. We had 52m$ in dead money the year we went to the SB. We’ll probably have 30m$ in dead money next year, 50m the year after that, and 60m the year after that. Since 2021 Howie has balanced the roster construction around carrying a dead money number in exchange for kicking the can. This should be consistently repeatable without whatever New Orleans has run into. We’re not going to be able to sign a Saquon and a Bryce Huff and a CJGJ every offseason, but hopefully we shouldn’t have to.

The reason this works differently than other teams on this chart is Howie is signing the young core players for longer than other teams are, so we can push the money further and further into later years where the cap will ballooning and the dead money won’t be worth as much. We’re borrowing $1.00 today to pay back $.65 tomorrow. Look at AJ Brown; he still has 3 years left on his original eagles 4-year deal, and we signed him to a 3-year extension. So in 4 years after CeeDee signs his 3 or 4 year deal this offseason, he’ll have to do another one while AJ will still have multiple years left on his deal. Amon Ra was only a 4 year deal, Tyreek was only a 4 year deal. Deebo and DK were only 3 year deals.

Jordan Mailata is signed through 2028. Jalen Hurts is signed through 2028. Landon Dickerson is signed through 2028. The downside to this strategy is twofold: you need an owner willing to sign the huge bonus checks we’re giving out every year, and we’re gambling those players are worth keeping on the roster that long. But the upside is in a couple of years all their contracts will be bargains.

 

[MyFairLady]

We do not use void years even close to what they do… Their off-season, could’ve been ours… With their mindset.

We have pushed tons of salary forward over the years.

 

[CWR]

On the left it indicates those are the SB odds

I think the most common misconception here is that in 2025 or 2026 Philadelphia will take the 300m$ cap hit and have to cut most of our good players. People talk about “one day these contracts will end and you’ll be stuck with a huge dead cap number.” They already have, and they continue to do it ever year. Fletcher Cox, Jason Kelce, Javon Hargrave, Carson Wentz; we’ve been eating them year after year and come out the other side.

The reality is we have 40m$ in dead money this year. We had 52m$ in dead money the year we went to the SB. We’ll probably have 30m$ in dead money next year, 50m the year after that, and 60m the year after that. Since 2021 Howie has balanced the roster construction around carrying a dead money number in exchange for kicking the can. This should be consistently repeatable without whatever New Orleans has run into. We’re not going to be able to sign a Saquon and a Bryce Huff and a CJGJ every offseason, but hopefully we shouldn’t have to.

The reason this works differently than other teams on this chart is Howie is signing the young core players for longer than other teams are, so we can push the money further and further into later years where the cap will ballooning and the dead money won’t be worth as much. We’re borrowing $1.00 today to pay back $.65 tomorrow. Look at AJ Brown; he still has 3 years left on his original eagles 4-year deal, and we signed him to a 3-year extension. So in 4 years after CeeDee signs his 3 or 4 year deal this offseason, he’ll have to do another one while AJ will still have multiple years left on his deal. Amon Ra was only a 4 year deal, Tyreek was only a 4 year deal. Deebo and DK were only 3 year deals.

Jordan Mailata is signed through 2028. Jalen Hurts is signed through 2028. Landon Dickerson is signed through 2028. The downside to this strategy is twofold: you need an owner willing to sign the huge bonus checks we’re giving out every year, and we’re gambling those players are worth keeping on the roster that long. But the upside is in a couple of years all their contracts will be bargains.

Yeah thats why I mentioned the cap is fluid and with it increasing each year there is more flexibility. My only question would be if they kept up over time. It all depends on how aggressive you are, but I imagine it wasn't 300 million 7 or 8 years ago. I dont remember Philly always being this aggressive in FA. If that is the case you'd have to make gradual concessions to bring it down.

Another factor which is potentially interesting would be future collective bargaining.

The cap was put in place to limit owner spending right? You could argue void years are circumventing the cap. If it becomes "too excessive" I could see the owners coming together to place limitations.

As of now I think its a brilliant strategy and signing long term is the best move most of the time. Unfortunately Dallas has a GM who's concerned about dead money coaching contracts so here we are.

 

[Flamma]

We didn’t though. The Eagles paid him ASAP. Dak played on the tag and was on a 2ng tag before the deal got done. We would already be done with Dak’s deal if they hadn’t procrastinated.

The Eagles were good enough to get to the SB with him. They had doubts about Dak.

The GM has no control over the gameplan. They just assume business as usual. Without Hurts running the ball 15 times a game, they're not going to be too successful with him as an occasional runner. He's not that good of a pocket passer.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Yeah thats why I mentioned the cap is fluid and with it increasing each year there is more flexibility. My only question would be if they kept up over time. It all depends on how aggressive you are, but I imagine it wasn't 300 million 7 or 8 years ago. I dont remember Philly always being this aggressive in FA. If that is the case you'd have to make gradual concessions to bring it down.

Another factor which is potentially interesting would be future collective bargaining.

The cap was put in place to limit owner spending right? You could argue void years are circumventing the cap. If it becomes "too excessive" I could see the owners coming together to place limitations.

As of now I think its a brilliant strategy and signing long term is the best move most of the time. Unfortunately Dallas has a GM who's concerned about dead money coaching contracts so here we are.

Howie has been setting this up since he took the team back from Chip in 2016. If you remember, Chip brought in a ton of players like Demarco Murray and Byron Maxwell and Sam Bradford, and Howie dumped them all in 1 year.

In 2016, we had the 5th most dead cap.

In 2017, we had the 10th most dead cap.

In 2018, we had the 21st most dead cap.

In 2019, we had the 17th most dead cap.

In 2020, we had the 14th most dead cap.

In 2021, we had the 2nd most dead cap.

In 2022, we had the 4th most dead cap.

In 2023, we had the 5th most dead cap.

In 2024, we’re 9th so far, but we haven’t June 1st’d Cox, Kelce or potentially Bradberry yet.

This all started when Howie came back and revamped his approach at running a team, and it wasn’t 300m back then because the salary cap was nearly half of what it is now (155m$), and we needed time to collect the players worth giving all those void year deals to after he purged the roster.

But In that 8 year span was 6 playoff seasons, 6 playoff wins, 2 SB appearances, and only 2020 was a really bad year. Ultimately, whether you do or don’t employ a strategy like this is based on incentive. We have a strong incentive to keep going like this, but if we collapse and can’t get out of it like NO we’d probably stop. Dallas believes they have incentive to keep doing what they’re doing.

 

[KingCorcoran]

On the left it indicates those are the SB odds

I think the most common misconception here is that in 2025 or 2026 Philadelphia will take the 300m$ cap hit and have to cut most of our good players. People talk about “one day these contracts will end and you’ll be stuck with a huge dead cap number.” They already have, and they continue to do it ever year. Fletcher Cox, Jason Kelce, Javon Hargrave, Carson Wentz; we’ve been eating them year after year and come out the other side.

The reality is we have 40m$ in dead money this year. We had 52m$ in dead money the year we went to the SB. We’ll probably have 30m$ in dead money next year, 50m the year after that, and 60m the year after that. Since 2021 Howie has balanced the roster construction around carrying a dead money number in exchange for kicking the can. This should be consistently repeatable without whatever New Orleans has run into. We’re not going to be able to sign a Saquon and a Bryce Huff and a CJGJ every offseason, but hopefully we shouldn’t have to.

The reason this works differently than other teams on this chart is Howie is signing the young core players for longer than other teams are, so we can push the money further and further into later years where the cap will ballooning and the dead money won’t be worth as much. We’re borrowing $1.00 today to pay back $.65 tomorrow. Look at AJ Brown; he still has 3 years left on his original eagles 4-year deal, and we signed him to a 3-year extension. So in 4 years after CeeDee signs his 3 or 4 year deal this offseason, he’ll have to do another one while AJ will still have multiple years left on his deal. Amon Ra was only a 4 year deal, Tyreek was only a 4 year deal. Deebo and DK were only 3 year deals.

Jordan Mailata is signed through 2028. Jalen Hurts is signed through 2028. Landon Dickerson is signed through 2028. The downside to this strategy is twofold: you need an owner willing to sign the huge bonus checks we’re giving out every year, and we’re gambling those players are worth keeping on the roster that long. But the upside is in a couple of years all their contracts will be bargains.

Another upside would be setting the bar on compensation at a timing of your choosing forcing other franchises to have to possibly meet a compensation number for a player when it may be difficult to do so. That deal with Dickerson is thrilling to interior offensive lineman and their respective agents. I’m sure it’s less so to the other 31 ownership groups.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Another upside would be setting the bar on compensation at a timing of your choosing forcing other franchises to have to possibly meet a compensation number for a player when it may be difficult to do so. That deal with Dickerson is thrilling to interior offensive lineman and their respective agents. I’m sure it’s less so to the other 31 ownership groups.

Yeah that and getting the contract in at the beginning of the offseason helps shave a couple million off the cap every year. In 2023, 4 QBs signed record extensions; Hurts was the cheapest because he was first. Burrow was last and makes 4m$ a season more; that’s the difference between Zeke+Kendricks and Henry.

This offseason, AJ Brown signed an extension to be the highest paid WR, but that won’t last long because Lamb, Chase, Jefferson, Higgins, Waddle, Aiyuk are all coming up and by the end of the summer AJ’s 6-year deal will already be team friendlier.

Dak is going to get his contract; all this talk about letting him walk is a pie in the sky. The deal should have been in 2023 before the draft at 5y 250. Now, it’s gonna be 5y 300. If you wait until after Lawrence and Tua and Love, it’ll be more. Imagine what it’ll be if they wait all the way until next offseason? Shaving money off the cap by making preemptive deals can be a huge boon, or the opposite can be debilitating.

 

[Cowboys1966]

We have pushed tons of salary forward over the years.

Nowhere near what the eagles have done recently.

 

[freemanjc19]

Thread for cap experts (lol)........many posters/ fans question the Eagles are signing so many players to huge contracts vs Stephen Jones struggling with 2-3. Here is the answer.....I think. I guess the question is this a better way for Stephen Jones to sign players?





https://www.profootballrumors.com/2024/05/nfl-contract-details-brown-gholston-phillips-highsmith

Contract Details: Brown, Phillips, Highsmith​

May 12th, 2024 at 9:58pm CST by Ely Allen
The Eagles recently made A.J. Brown the highest-paid wide receiver in NFL history. We already knew a number of details from that incredible contract, but thanks to Will Laws of Sports Illustrated, we now know of a wild detail with unprecedented consequences.
Laws points out that Brown’s deal includes a void year at the end of the contract that will hold a $53.52MM cap hit. This is actually a common contract technique the Eagles have been employing in recent years that allow them a ton of flexibility financially. Several other players have massive voidable cap hits like Jalen Hurts ($97.55MM), DeVonta Smith ($35.78MM), and others.
This likely doesn’t mean that someday the Eagles will suddenly be committing a triple-digit cap figure to players no longer on their roster. That could only happen if they see every contract through to completion. More likely, Philadelphia will be extremely strategic about how long to hold on to those players, cutting them at times that will allow for ideal cap savings. For instance, starting in 2027, the Eagles will be able to cut Brown and receive more in cap savings than they’ll be losing to dead money.

Here are a few other contract details on recent deals around the NFL:

Don't be foold. Anyone that know basic mathmatics can see they are in trouble in the next two or three years. A lot of their core players have escalating contracts, too. A.J. Brown's cap hit is about $11.9 million now, but it's going to balloon next year. They'll start feeling the pinch in the next couple of seasons. With all the guaranteed money, dead money, and escalating contracts, they’ll have a tough time making room for new signings or extensions. They might have to renegotiate deals, defer payments, or make tough decisions about who to keep. It's going to be interesting to see how they handle this. If they play it smart, they can stay competitive without running into a cap crisis. Just wanted to share my thoughts on this! This is why Dallas is in CAP hell now. In two years we will have around 95 million in cap space 2026 and the eagles cap will be worse even if the cap goes up.