The effects of age and Dak Prescott

[beware_d-ware]

Different approaches are used for the two quarterbacks. You implying that Rush deserves a salary increase?

I think Rush is a $3M quarterback, I think Dak is now a $3M quarterback, and I think QBs in general are overpaid across the league relative to their impact on the W/L column. There will be a market correction at that position like there was at RB after 2015.

 

[5Stars]

Look my brain scarred from all of it ,including all these ridiculous posts that leave out facts and perspectives, that may be hanging with you, but what's hanging with me is,

in 2016 Prescott was rookie of the year not bad for 4th rounder who was not supposed to do anything, wasn't even the backup ,had one of the best touchdown interception ratios as far as how little interceptions he threw as a rookie, but we throw that under the rug..

so you can't play in big games there's a lot of big games in that season then in the playoff game what's really scars my brain is the fact that Prescott over and over took this offense along with Ezekiel Elliott another oft criticized player over here get back get back in the game over and over and over to have the defense over and over and over give up the lead including the one again ,on the last drive,

how many times we have to sit here and watch the defense make mistakes or the offensive line have 11 penalties or the offensive line miss a block or have absolutely no run game at all, literally under 3 yards per carry in most of the last five losses in the playoffs.. Let me forget the second round Rams game where the offense had to fall asleep on the bench by the time of possession eating lack of defense gave up like 278 yards on the ground, pretty much played keep away so the offense had almost no chances to try to get back in that game... were they perfect ,no, but there were more problems in that game than the quarterback..

literally no physicality in the trenches, coaches just getting schooled, and yet we just keep falling back to a couple of bad plays at all quarterbacks have yes even in big games, we watch players make a mistake..

We watched jalen hurts in the Super bowl couple years back fumble the game away, didn't seem like much but it was a mistake ,but his team kept him in it but they lost, defense got blamed, irony huh? we watched jalen hurts once again the beginning of the game throwing interception you know what the defense said no problem I got your back..

I watched Matthew Stafford lead the league in interceptions and then turn around and have two interceptions in the Super bowl and you know what didn't hear anyone pointing out his mistakes you know why the defense says I got your back the team had his back and they won that game..

No player plays perfectly in games. mistakes happen for all kinds of reasons, but it takes the entire team to have each other's back and be playing well and execute instead of falling back on every little negative play that happens within a game which happens to all players;

people miss blocks, people blow coverages, they miss tackles, they drop interceptions, they sail a snap over heads or TURF one, they miss a field goals/XPs, all this crap happens within a game but in the end the great teams they pick up the slack, I saw it in the 90s eight men did not play perfectly in those games he had a great run game a great offensive line a great defense and a great coaching staff and anytime there was a critical situation in a game, they all picked each other up..

Lies, lies all lies!

Can someone tell me what this word salad said? lmao

Blowhard appears.

 

[5Stars]

I don't even think that talks football. Why?

You want football talk? Dak sucks and will not make it through another season. We can't make bets around here, but if we could, I would win hands down while you stand alone shaking your pom poms.

 

[CCBoy]

Weaknesses​

Beat up this year thanks to poor protection. When he wasn't being sacked, he was being hit hard. Not as competitive a rusher in 2015. Sacks and usage in run game might be taking a toll. Increase in short pass attempts from 86 to 208 this year reason for higher completion numbers. Accuracy on intermediate and deep throws dropped sharply. Pocket poise has been compromised. Hyper aware of pressure around him and lacks awareness to slide and find temporary shelter to make throw. Concern over pressure too often trumps ability to get through progressions. Must speed up the pace of his reads. Footwork is a mess. Slight stride onto stiff upper leg with little weight shift. Restricted follow through and too often tries to muscle throws with upper body. Throws to target rather than leading or throwing them open on short/intermediate throws. Too respectful of underneath coverage and must be more willing to challenge the defense. Needs to improve anticipation.

Disagree with the bolded and whether he has improved on any of it, but it is undeniable that you will find no shortage of dissenting opinions. In other words, there is plenty of smoke to indicate there just may be a fire.

All of those weaknesses have been pointed out by many to still be weaknesses through to the current second. Some of those things are inherent and maybe can be improved somewhat by extensive drilling, but due to their inherent nature and the fact that it almost impossible to drill in high pressure situations, they will always show up when the pressure is high and it is our nature to revert to our inherent instincts.

Dak was and is the perfect storm of plus talent and minus mentality. That equals fools gold. A player who can impress and accomplish with his talent when winds are fair and the sea is following, but when the waves start capping and he is forced to run into that head sea he stuffs the bow.

History has born this out.

Wish you had some film to prove one's post out. And failure at any point wasn't from limited intelligence. Discipline and application were missing too much...but this was an injury season.

 

[CCBoy]

I think Rush is a $3M quarterback, I think Dak is now a $3M quarterback, and I think QBs in general are overpaid across the league relative to their impact on the W/L column. There will be a market correction at that position like there was at RB after 2015.

That is not a valid proof but is a valid doubt. He'll earn his keep. Jerry isn't going any where and any doubt by us fans, doesn't change the team or winning.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I think Rush is a $3M quarterback, I think Dak is now a $3M quarterback, and I think QBs in general are overpaid across the league relative to their impact on the W/L column. There will be a market correction at that position like there was at RB after 2015.

Dak at $3M is a little extreme, but I think the overall thought process is accurate. There seems to be a ton of evidence that most QBs in this league are on fairly even talent wise. The biggest differentiator is the talent around them. If this trend continues you should see teams starting to play hardball with their QBs and may see either lower contracts or more turnover at the position. Going the Mayfield/Darnold and paying about half the price for a starting QB has to be tempting to a lot teams.

 

[88sAndHeartbreak]

You want football talk? Dak sucks and will not make it through another season. We can't make bets around here, but if we could, I would win hands down while you stand alone shaking your pom poms.

People said this when he broke his leg in 2020, he then went on to have two of the best years of his career. I'm not saying that he will bounce back again, just that it has happened before.

 

[Vtwin]

And failure at any point wasn't from limited intelligence.

I didn't say limited intelligence. I said "mentality".

Things like risk aversion and processing speed, are examples of mentality. The wrong mentality can limit the application of intelligence, but superior intelligence will not change the inherent mentality. I'm sure you've witnessed this in your military career. Some people just aren't built for some things. No matter what they scored on their SATs.

There is nine years worth of film to support my opinion.

 

[Silverz1972]

if he can’t run, he’s an average qb.

 

[SquidwardTentacles]

Look my brain scarred from all of it ,including all these ridiculous posts that leave out facts and perspectives, that may be hanging with you, but what's hanging with me is,

in 2016 Prescott was rookie of the year not bad for 4th rounder who was not supposed to do anything, wasn't even the backup ,had one of the best touchdown interception ratios as far as how little interceptions he threw as a rookie, but we throw that under the rug..

so you can't play in big games there's a lot of big games in that season then in the playoff game what's really scars my brain is the fact that Prescott over and over took this offense along with Ezekiel Elliott another oft criticized player over here get back get back in the game over and over and over to have the defense over and over and over give up the lead including the one again ,on the last drive,

how many times we have to sit here and watch the defense make mistakes or the offensive line have 11 penalties or the offensive line miss a block or have absolutely no run game at all, literally under 3 yards per carry in most of the last five losses in the playoffs.. Let me forget the second round Rams game where the offense had to fall asleep on the bench by the time of possession eating lack of defense gave up like 278 yards on the ground, pretty much played keep away so the offense had almost no chances to try to get back in that game... were they perfect ,no, but there were more problems in that game than the quarterback..

literally no physicality in the trenches, coaches just getting schooled, and yet we just keep falling back to a couple of bad plays at all quarterbacks have yes even in big games, we watch players make a mistake..

We watched jalen hurts in the Super bowl couple years back fumble the game away, didn't seem like much but it was a mistake ,but his team kept him in it but they lost, defense got blamed, irony huh? we watched jalen hurts once again the beginning of the game throwing interception you know what the defense said no problem I got your back..

I watched Matthew Stafford lead the league in interceptions and then turn around and have two interceptions in the Super bowl and you know what didn't hear anyone pointing out his mistakes you know why the defense says I got your back the team had his back and they won that game..

No player plays perfectly in games. mistakes happen for all kinds of reasons, but it takes the entire team to have each other's back and be playing well and execute instead of falling back on every little negative play that happens within a game which happens to all players;

people miss blocks, people blow coverages, they miss tackles, they drop interceptions, they sail a snap over heads or TURF one, they miss a field goals/XPs, all this crap happens within a game but in the end the great teams they pick up the slack, I saw it in the 90s eight men did not play perfectly in those games he had a great run game a great offensive line a great defense and a great coaching staff and anytime there was a critical situation in a game, they all picked each other up..

The issues run deep. No doubt.
And bend don't break Ds rely on offensive ball control to keep from getting gassed. We have many offensive issues that prevent that.

To make a collective improvement, each one needs addressed individually. But this thread is about one issue, the QB

I want a QB who anticipates the receiver entering a gap in the zone D, and has the ball there as it is happening, before the window closes, in a spot where the reciever can make the catch without breaking momentum.

I'm tired of watching a QB wait to verify that the reciever has already come open, hesitate until he verifies what his eyes saw, then throw the ball after the window is closing.

What made Brady great. He knew what was going to happen before it happened and had a nicely placed ball there when it did.

 

[5Stars]

People said this when he broke his leg in 2020, he then went on to have two of the best years of his career. I'm not saying that he will bounce back again, just that it has happened before.

You want to go back five years to try and make a point? Try again.

 

[SquidwardTentacles]

Forgotten also was a dropped field goal attempt, as well as two Green Bay losses by a total of 7 points with a questionable referee call as well.

I'm not addressing history.
Nothing that happened will ever be undone.

Comparisons of the two are mostly speculative.

Both have let us down despite great numbers. But good statistitions know statistical studies only have future predictability when each sample in a study is obtained with similar variables

 

[SquidwardTentacles]

Weaknesses​

Beat up this year thanks to poor protection. When he wasn't being sacked, he was being hit hard. Not as competitive a rusher in 2015. Sacks and usage in run game might be taking a toll. Increase in short pass attempts from 86 to 208 this year reason for higher completion numbers. Accuracy on intermediate and deep throws dropped sharply. Pocket poise has been compromised. Hyper aware of pressure around him and lacks awareness to slide and find temporary shelter to make throw. Concern over pressure too often trumps ability to get through progressions. Must speed up the pace of his reads. Footwork is a mess. Slight stride onto stiff upper leg with little weight shift. Restricted follow through and too often tries to muscle throws with upper body. Throws to target rather than leading or throwing them open on short/intermediate throws. Too respectful of underneath coverage and must be more willing to challenge the defense. Needs to improve anticipation.

Disagree with the bolded and whether he has improved on any of it, but it is undeniable that you will find no shortage of dissenting opinions. In other words, there is plenty of smoke to indicate there just may be a fire.

All of those weaknesses have been pointed out by many to still be weaknesses through to the current second. Some of those things are inherent and maybe can be improved somewhat by extensive drilling, but due to their inherent nature and the fact that it almost impossible to drill in high pressure situations, they will always show up when the pressure is high and it is our nature to revert to our inherent instincts.

Dak was and is the perfect storm of plus talent and minus mentality. That equals fools gold. A player who can impress and accomplish with his talent when winds are fair and the sea is following, but when the waves start capping and he is forced to run into that head sea he stuffs the bow.

History has born this out.

Joe Burrow gets crushed on every play.

 

[CCBoy]

The issues run deep. No doubt.
And bend don't break Ds rely on offensive ball control to keep from getting gassed. We have many offensive issues that prevent that.

To make a collective improvement, each one needs addressed individually. But this thread is about one issue, the QB

I want a QB who anticipates the receiver entering a gap in the zone D, and has the ball there as it is happening, before the window closes, in a spot where the reciever can make the catch without breaking momentum.

I'm tired of watching a QB wait to verify that the reciever has already come open, hesitate until he verifies what his eyes saw, then throw the ball after the window is closing.

What made Brady great. He knew what was going to happen before it happened and had a nicely placed ball there when it did.

This as the offense was installed for Troy Aikman. There are a lot of movement and attacking schemes that have motion and quick direction elements. This past season there was variety it seemed, often dominated in first down sequence. The Red Zone failure was beyond inept.

 

[CCBoy]

I'm not addressing history.
Nothing that happened will ever be undone.

Comparisons of the two are mostly speculative.

Both have let us down despite great numbers. But good statistitions know statistical studies only have future predictability when each sample in a study is obtained with similar variables

That is valid.

Stats this past season are a bad reference due to limitations on players and using lesser talent in chosen plays. No run and the passing game got dominated.

 

[88sAndHeartbreak]

You want to go back five years to try and make a point? Try again.

Where did you say a timeline? Any lies in what I said?

 

[5Stars]

Where did you say a timeline? Any lies in what I said?

People said this when he broke his leg in 2020,

Timeline...you said it.

 

[88sAndHeartbreak]

Where did YOU say a timeline? Any lies in what I said?

 

[TwentyOne]

Blogging the Boys...

2016 Cowboys’ Draft Class Was Best Ever For Rookie Approximate Value​

The Dallas Cowboys have had some great drafts in their storied history, but using one metric, no other draft class matches the 2016 group in approximate value.

Football Reference’s player season finder query for these results.

Rk​	Player​	Year ▼​	Age​	Draft​	Tm​	G​	GS​	PB​	AP1​	AV​
1​	Ezekiel Elliott​	2016​	21​	1-4​	DAL​	15​	15​	1​	1​	16​
2​	Dak Prescott​	2016​	23​	4-135​	DAL​	16​	16​	1​	0​	16​
3​	Maliek Collins​	2016​	21​	3-67​	DAL​	16​	14​	0​	0​	7​
4​	Anthony Brown​	2016​	23​	6-189​	DAL​	16​	10​	0​	0​	4​
5​	La'el Collins​	2015​	22​	UDFA​	DAL​	12​	11​	0​	0​	4​
6​	Byron Jones​	2015​	23​	1-27​	DAL​	16​	11​	0​	0​	4​
7​	Zack Martin​	2014​	24​	1-16​	DAL​	16​	16​	1​	1​	14​
8​	Anthony Hitchens​	2014​	22​	4-119​	DAL​	16​	11​	0​	0​	6​
9​	Travis Frederick​	2013​	22​	1-31​	DAL​	16​	16​	0​	0​	8​
10​	Terrance Williams​	2013​	24​	3-74​	DAL​	16​	8​	0​	0​	7​
11​	Morris Claiborne​	2012​	22​	6-Jan​	DAL​	15​	15​	0​	0​	6​
12​	Tyron Smith​	2011​	21​	1-9​	DAL​	16​	16​	0​	0​	9​
13​	DeMarco Murray​	2011​	23​	3-71​	DAL​	13​	7​	0​	0​	7​
14​	Dan Bailey​	2011​	23​	UDFA​	DAL​	16​	0​	0​	0​	4​
15​	Dez Bryant​	2010​	22​	1-24​	DAL​	12​	2​	0​	0​	7​
​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​
​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/201...pproximate-value-dak-prescott-ezekiel-elliott

Btb is not the best source but anyways where does it state he is a strong runner or good scrambler?

What do you want to say with your post? Its a list ordered by an value that you dont explain.or do you even understand what av means?

Does av mean he is a good scrambler? I know it does not.

Why dont you explain to us all in your own words what AV stands for and how it proves what you stated.

 

[JonesBoys]

Problem is the two clowns trading Micah are the real problem so the culture change thing can’t happen until they are gone. You really trust these two idiots to get a great deal trading Micah?