The Evolution of Jerry Jones The Cowboys GM In The Red Garrett Era

[Beast_from_East]

I'd find it hard to believe, too, if I took any of that stuff in the context you're presenting it in. Fortunately, it didn't happen in that context. The 'training' comment was in relation to Garrett's entire time in Dallas, not necessarily his job this year as head coach. I don't recognize the 'butting in' remark, but do remember him positioning removing play calling from Callahan, which I hardly see as a negative for Jason Garrett. Wanting Garrett to have more influence defensively *does* sound like him having influence on that side of the ball, to me.

No doubt, Jerry's still Jerry and he's still going to meddle in the composition of the staff, and it's still a bad thing. But the organization has been more stable and more methodical under Garrett than it was under Phillips. From it's approach to the draft to it's approach to the roster. We've had a lot of churn on the coaching staff, for sure, and false-started with the defensive coaches. I'd put those mostly on Jason, though, with the possible exception of replacing Rob Ryan last year.

You seem to be one of the only posters on this board that thinks "it didn't happen this way".


Jerry called Garrett a trainee and said we would benefit from "all of his in game mistakes" down the road.........................................................yea, it did happen like that.
Jerry said it was "unfair" that Garrett would not let Callahan call the offense the way he wanted to call it............................................................yea, it did happen like that.
Jerry said that Garrett was going to spend all his time of defense this year, even though he has never coached one down of defense..............yea, it did happen like that.

Now if you want to pretend this was all taken out of context, that is your prerogative. However, I think many more posters will agree with my assessment than yours.

 

[cml750]

You seem to be one of the only posters on this board that thinks "it didn't happen this way".


Jerry called Garrett a trainee and said we would benefit from "all of his in game mistakes" down the road.........................................................yea, it did happen like that.
Jerry said it was "unfair" that Garrett would not let Callahan call the offense the way he wanted to call it............................................................yea, it did happen like that.
Jerry said that Garrett was going to spend all his time of defense this year, even though he has never coached one down of defense..............yea, it did happen like that.

Now if you want to pretend this was all taken out of context, that is your prerogative. However, I think many more posters will agree with my assessment than yours.

I agree with you 100%. Some fans always try to find the sunshine in the darkness and just ignore the reality that is just so blatantly obvious. If Garrett is fired next year they will jump right on the new coaches bandwagon and never miss a beat. In some ways I envy them. I wish I could just ignore the reality of the situation the Cowboys are in and always be happy but every time I try reality comes creeping back in. I have invested way too much time and emotion on this team to be satisfied with a poor coach who is learning on the job and still can't manage a game / clock after 3 1/2 years as a coach and a lifetime of being around football..

 

[Idgit]

I don't remember the butting in comment either. I'm guessing an attempt at paraphrasing, but a poor one.
I could be wrong. I guess.

Yeah. I recall Jerry saying nice things about Callahan after Linehan was hired. That's got to be the reference.

 

[CyberB0b]

1. There has been a concerted effort to jettison aging players, overpriced players, players that do not fit Garrett’s RKoG model, and players that do not buy into the overall philosophy that Garrett has for his team.

It seems like we just couldn't afford to pay any of these guys because we were so far above the salary cap to begin the offseason. This is like congratulating an alcoholic for giving up drinking, when he has really just polished off his stash of hooch.

2. The Cowboys drafting has improved.

We are talking about a period of 3 years here. I guess it is a true statement, since 2009 was such a disaster, but 2012 is looking pretty weak.

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4. The frequency of terrible trades/signings has been drastically reduced, though some would argue that they have not been eliminated.

Again, we are talking about a small sample size here. 3 years. Didn't we just trade up to select Morris Claiborne #6 overall?

5. The tendency to overpay players out of loyalty or as payment for past performance has been curtailed.

Tony Romo says hi

6. Jerry Jones appears to listen to Garrett and company more when making decisions, and he is also ceding more and more control to Garrett.If the criticisms of Jerry Jones in 2010 were valid, then his recent track-record shows plenty of change and improvement.

This is somewhat misleading, if not outright false. Although no one outside of Valley Ranch knows the truth, this is what we have seen:

Offense: Garrett calling the plays, Garrett not calling the plays. Callahan calling the plays, Callahan not calling the plays. Garrett calling the plays, Garrett not calling the plays. Linehan calling the plays.

Defense: Rob Ryan hired. Rob Ryan fired. Monte Kiffin hired. Monte Kiffin fired. Rod Marinelli hired.

So we have ~3 offensive coordinators and 3 defensive coordinators in 3 years. Not exactly a model of consistency.
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The only fact in this fluff piece of an article is that the team is significantly younger, but that doesn't mean anything by itself. In 2013, the top 5 youngest teams were the Rams, Browns, Bills, Seahawks, and Jaguars.

 

[Idgit]

You seem to be one of the only posters on this board that thinks "it didn't happen this way".


Jerry called Garrett a trainee and said we would benefit from "all of his in game mistakes" down the road.........................................................yea, it did happen like that.
Jerry said it was "unfair" that Garrett would not let Callahan call the offense the way he wanted to call it............................................................yea, it did happen like that.
Jerry said that Garrett was going to spend all his time of defense this year, even though he has never coached one down of defense..............yea, it did happen like that.

Now if you want to pretend this was all taken out of context, that is your prerogative. However, I think many more posters will agree with my assessment than yours.

Please. Let's not use the opinions of upset fans as the barometer for what did or did not happen. I've pulled the training quotes to put them in context the last time this became chum for a complaint thread. The quotes applied to Jason's time in Dallas, and were put in the context of all coaches learning on the job before going on to do really good things in the league. I shouldn't have to point that out every time you want to trot out your own negative interpretation of what Jerry said.

It's easy enough for you to support your context here in the age of the internet if you really care to. Otherwise, let's agree we find some basis for deciding who's right that relies on logic and a sound argument rather than on the hand-raising of a dozen disappointed teenagers on the internet.

 

[Wolfpack]

This is somewhat misleading, if not outright false. Although no one outside of Valley Ranch knows the truth, this is what we have seen:

Offense: Garrett calling the plays, Garrett not calling the plays. Callahan calling the plays, Callahan not calling the plays. Garrett calling the plays, Garrett not calling the plays. Linehan calling the plays.

Defense: Rob Ryan hired. Rob Ryan fired. Monte Kiffin hired. Monte Kiffin fired. Rod Marinelli hired.

So we have ~3 offensive coordinators and 3 defensive coordinators in 3 years. Not exactly a model of consistency.
.

The only fact in this fluff piece of an article is that the team is significantly younger, but that doesn't mean anything by itself. In 2013, the top 5 youngest teams were the Rams, Browns, Bills, Seahawks, and Jaguars.

Gosh, that really seems like Jason is really being given control and Jerry is stepping away.

The reality is that the drunk lunatic is still doing what he does, which is make crazy knee jerk micro manager reactions that make no sense from a logic football based point of view. You can totally see in gin stained finger prints all over each of the things listed in the above.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

No reason to be mean-spirited just because the OP doesn't agree with your particular take on Jerry's role in the dynasty years or Garrett's job here in Dallas on the offensive side of the ball. Not everybody who thinks there's reason to be positive about the Cowboys is necessarily living in a fantasy land, your opinion to the contrary notwithstanding.

He's not being mean spirited. He just couldnt remember what to call any poster who does not bash everything about the Cowboys. Member of the Jones Family. Fan of the Jones Family. Jones Apologist. Member of the Cowboys PR Dept.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I agree with you 100%. Some fans always try to find the sunshine in the darkness and just ignore the reality that is just so blatantly obvious. If Garrett is fired next year they will jump right on the new coaches bandwagon and never miss a beat. In some ways I envy them. I wish I could just ignore the reality of the situation the Cowboys are in and always be happy but every time I try reality comes creeping back in. I have invested way too much time and emotion on this team to be satisfied with a poor coach who is learning on the job and still can't manage a game / clock after 3 1/2 years as a coach and a lifetime of being around football..

I do too. I used to live in that fantasy land. I actually remember rooting for Quincy Carter over Chad Hutchinson which was stupid because neither was going to take us anywhere. I think my faith in Jerry ended after Parcells left and he appointed Wade as coach. He wants credit for all the success then he has to take the blame for all the failure. That's my take on it anyway.

 

[jobberone]

You seem to be one of the only posters on this board that thinks "it didn't happen this way".


Jerry called Garrett a trainee and said we would benefit from "all of his in game mistakes" down the road.........................................................yea, it did happen like that.
Jerry said it was "unfair" that Garrett would not let Callahan call the offense the way he wanted to call it............................................................yea, it did happen like that.
Jerry said that Garrett was going to spend all his time of defense this year, even though he has never coached one down of defense..............yea, it did happen like that.

Now if you want to pretend this was all taken out of context, that is your prerogative. However, I think many more posters will agree with my assessment than yours.

You lost me with the first sentence 'one of the only posters' even though I'll credit you with the ambiguity of use.

 

[Vanilla2]

I agree with you 100%. Some fans always try to find the sunshine in the darkness and just ignore the reality that is just so blatantly obvious. If Garrett is fired next year they will jump right on the new coaches bandwagon and never miss a beat. In some ways I envy them. I wish I could just ignore the reality of the situation the Cowboys are in and always be happy but every time I try reality comes creeping back in. I have invested way too much time and emotion on this team to be satisfied with a poor coach who is learning on the job and still can't manage a game / clock after 3 1/2 years as a coach and a lifetime of being around football..

Some people are just looking for darkness.


The demarco murray of posting styles

 

[Vanilla2]

I do too. I used to live in that fantasy land. I actually remember rooting for Quincy Carter over Chad Hutchinson which was stupid because neither was going to take us anywhere. I think my faith in Jerry ended after Parcells left and he appointed Wade as coach. He wants credit for all the success then he has to take the blame for all the failure. That's my take on it anyway.

Has he not taken blame?

One thing about Jerry is that he's been out there no matter the outcome.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Good read on the state of things in Big D. Pretty good read if you want to read it all.

http://cowboyszone.com/2014/04/evolution-jerry-jones-garret-era.html

Article concludes with this:

An examination of the history of operations since the 2010 offseason reveals several distinct patterns and trends:

1. There has been a concerted effort to jettison aging players, overpriced players, players that do not fit Garrett’s RKoG model, and players that do not buy into the overall philosophy that Garrett has for his team.

2. The Cowboys drafting has improved.

3. Without sacrificing the level of talent, the roster has become significantly younger (from one of the oldest teams in 2010 to one of the youngest teams in 2013).

4. The frequency of terrible trades/signings has been drastically reduced, though some would argue that they have not been eliminated.

5. The tendency to overpay players out of loyalty or as payment for past performance has been curtailed.

6. Jerry Jones appears to listen to Garrett and company more when making decisions, and he is also ceding more and more control to Garrett.If the criticisms of Jerry Jones in 2010 were valid, then his recent track-record shows plenty of change and improvement.

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Jerry looks like he is talking. Garrett is listening and Stephen is....well ... Stephen.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Jerry looks like he is talking. Garrett is listening and Stephen is....well ... Stephen.

The BrainTrust.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Im not a fan of Garrett. I think he's a mediocre coach who was given the reigns to power too early in his career. He really needs to not only coach, but he needs to learn to win. Some things are better now than before and I do somewhat agree were heading in the right direction. But we need to start winning. The only way for me to start respecting Garrett is for him to get this team back into Superbowl shape and get into the playoffs. He needs to be a factor for once during crunchtime and stop making dumb decisions with his playcalling. Thank god his not calling plays anymore. Because he was awful.

Get us into the playoffs and I'll start believing. But for now I'll keep my optimism in check this season until I see us winning more.

 

[visionary]

"Jason Garrett’s growing power and influence over Jerry Jones"


I just find this hard to believe. Jerry goes out and calls Garrett a "trainee" to the media, he says that Garrett kept butting in last season on the offense and that was not fair to Callahan, and he says that Garrett will be spending his time with the defense this year and Linehan will have carte blanch over the play calling and offensive philosophy this year.

That doesn't sound like Garrett getting more power, that sounds like Jerry telling his trainee that the offense will be much better if he just disappears from that side of the ball (something he did not do with Callahan and that is what Jerry says was unfair).

Not sure how this equates to Garrett's growing power and influence over Jerry.

It is called "revisionist history"

 

[visionary]

No reason to be mean-spirited just because the OP doesn't agree with your particular take on Jerry's role in the dynasty years or Garrett's job here in Dallas on the offensive side of the ball. Not everybody who thinks there's reason to be positive about the Cowboys is necessarily living in a fantasy land, your opinion to the contrary notwithstanding.

I know, so mean spirited
Hate the meanies
Just send them to meanie zone or something

 

[visionary]

I'd find it hard to believe, too, if I took any of that stuff in the context you're presenting it in. Fortunately, it didn't happen in that context. The 'training' comment was in relation to Garrett's entire time in Dallas, not necessarily his job this year as head coach. I don't recognize the 'butting in' remark, but do remember him positioning removing play calling from Callahan, which I hardly see as a negative for Jason Garrett. Wanting Garrett to have more influence defensively *does* sound like him having influence on that side of the ball, to me.

No doubt, Jerry's still Jerry and he's still going to meddle in the composition of the staff, and it's still a bad thing. But the organization has been more stable and more methodical under Garrett than it was under Phillips. From it's approach to the draft to it's approach to the roster. We've had a lot of churn on the coaching staff, for sure, and false-started with the defensive coaches. I'd put those mostly on Jason, though, with the possible exception of replacing Rob Ryan last year.

I looked up the phrase 'garret groupie' on google and found this post

 

[Idgit]

I know, so mean spirited
Hate the meanies
Just send them to meanie zone or something

Or something. If I were you, I would push the envelope.

 

[Idgit]

I looked up the phrase 'garret groupie' on google and found this post

I think the appropriate response here is "So?"

I like Jason Garrett. I think that's been established. Thanks for pointing it out as if it were news to anybody.

 

[Bowdown27]

I'm not a fan of Jason coaching but he has drafted nicely. If he sucks it up as coach again I wouldn't be surprised if he moves up into the front office.