The Examiner: "Commanders have serious interest in Cutler"

[CATCH17]

Every now and then, a team picks up a player that puts them into a different category for years, case and point, Michael Jordan with Chicago, Montana with the 9ers, Aikman with the Cowboys, Tim Duncan with the Spurs, I don't know the other sports very well so others can chime in about that.

But if Washington somehow lands Cutler, we're in serious trouble here. They already and always have had a pretty good defense, they have a great runner in Portis, those receivers are quick, even Newman struggles against those little squirts over there.

This would be a sad time in Cowboy history.

They would be a lot better with Cutler but it is not nearly as dramatic as you are making it out to be.

 

[dfense]

Cutler is a strong armed QB. So is Campbell. Both don't fit the west coast they're running.

 

[AsthmaField]

And you would be wrong with this whole post. In wk 9 Chris Samuels was injured, at that point D's started overloading, at one point in the Giant's game we had a rookie center going against Jason Tuck. Campbell's press is bad, but it was the o-line that gave our games away. I know the Campbell haters, most Commanders sites have more than their share. But this is a quarterback, who every year has had numbers substantially improved, and will be playing with the same structure for a 2nd year. If the game plan was changed it was due to Zorn's inexperience, not JC's.
So for all you who love to hate him, I can't wait till next season, and your responses to his performance.

till then gotta love the hate i guess.

That might fool someone who hasn't watched most of your games, but not me. I know you had some injuries (every team has them) and you can point to a rookie playing against Tuck all you want, but I've watched Campbell pretty closely since he came into the NFL, and he just flat out isn't getting much better. Stats never are as accurate as your eyes are, and peoples eyes are telling them that Campbell isn't a very good QB.

Of course defenses overloaded. It's a very good way to make a QB who has trouble with decision making have a bad day. Campbell has a very slow release and is slow seeing the field... every team is going to overload in an attempt to get to him quickly. That's why it was bad when defenses took away the first read that Jason had; he can't drop back, scan the field and find an open receiver fast enough. That coupled with him being so scared of throwing an INT causes him to either eat a sack or simply throw the ball away.

That isn't in itself a bad thing (all QB's have to do that from time-to-time), but when a lot of your passing plays ends that way, then drives stall. That's what we all saw in the second half of '08... so many of your drives went nowhere.

As for the OL: We all know that a better OL will give him more time, which will be a good thing... but even when Jason had time to sit in the pocket, he still had great difficulty moving the ball. Dallas and Pittsburgh in the second half of the season gave Campbell almost no time to throw, but there were teams that didn't pressure Jason much at all, and those games still looked much like the others. That is to say the offense went nowhere and simply couldn't score many points.

I'm looking forward to this year too. Campbell, IMO, will look similar yet again. Of course, if I'm right about that, it will probably mean this is his last year as the Commanders QB, and that isn't something that I really want to see.

Maybe he can show just enough improvement to get Snyder to resign him to a big contract. That would be a best case scenario for the rest of the NFC East.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

duh

The reason he doesn't throw to his third or fourth options is he isn't able to see the whole field.

His lips obstruct his view.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The reason he doesn't throw to his third or fourth options is he isn't able to see the whole field.

His lips obstruct his view.

:laugh1:

 

[SkinsFan28]

That might fool someone who hasn't watched most of your games, but not me. I know you had some injuries (every team has them) and you can point to a rookie playing against Tuck all you want, but I've watched Campbell pretty closely since he came into the NFL, and he just flat out isn't getting much better. Stats never are as accurate as your eyes are, and peoples eyes are telling them that Campbell isn't a very good QB.

Of course defenses overloaded. It's a very good way to make a QB who has trouble with decision making have a bad day. Campbell has a very slow release and is slow seeing the field... every team is going to overload in an attempt to get to him quickly. That's why it was bad when defenses took away the first read that Jason had; he can't drop back, scan the field and find an open receiver fast enough. That coupled with him being so scared of throwing an INT causes him to either eat a sack or simply throw the ball away.

That isn't in itself a bad thing (all QB's have to do that from time-to-time), but when a lot of your passing plays ends that way, then drives stall. That's what we all saw in the second half of '08... so many of your drives went nowhere.

As for the OL: We all know that a better OL will give him more time, which will be a good thing... but even when Jason had time to sit in the pocket, he still had great difficulty moving the ball. Dallas and Pittsburgh in the second half of the season gave Campbell almost no time to throw, but there were teams that didn't pressure Jason much at all, and those games still looked much like the others. That is to say the offense went nowhere and simply couldn't score many points.

I'm looking forward to this year too. Campbell, IMO, will look similar yet again. Of course, if I'm right about that, it will probably mean this is his last year as the Commanders QB, and that isn't something that I really want to see.

Maybe he can show just enough improvement to get Snyder to resign him to a big contract. That would be a best case scenario for the rest of the NFC East.

I really think you make fair points, especially the fear of a turnover that Gibbs/Zorn instilled when he was at first an INT machine. and if he doesn't improve and he is gone that is good for me too. I just think the Cutler love in the media is so out of proportion to what his value is, and that the Campbell hate is out of proportion to what his value is.
I believe Campbell is a solid nfl starting qb. He is not elite (yet ) and needs to rise up to the challenge this year as he has no excuses at this point.
I believe Cutler is a solid nfl starting qb, who might be elite now, but his personality and mental stamina will lead him down the should have been category and if any team takes him thinking they have a qb for 10 years, they will be sorely disappointed.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

how long do you wait for someone to become elite? it's a fair bet to say that Campbell will not become much more than he already is

 

[SkinsFan28]

asthma- and I do think lack of a left side of a line will cause alot of issues, in every game.

JA- obviously Campbell is not and never will be elite, my comment was sarcastic hence the

 

[Bob Sacamano]

asthma- and I do think lack of a left side of a line will cause alot of issues, in every game.

JA- obviously Campbell is not and never will be elite, my comment was sarcastic hence the

ah, I thought you were using that comment and the smilie to hold out hope

my bz

 

[SteveOS]

Cutler to Commanders in three-way deal? Cassel to Denver?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/...t=AuSkZy_3kq_VlplKWFjhOARDubYF?urn=nfl,149110

The Philadelphia Inquirer reported the Washington Commanders are trying to land unhappy quarterback Jay Cutler from the Denver Broncos. According to the report, the rumored deal would also include the Kansas City Chiefs.

According to the report, Cutler would end up in Washington, Matt Cassel in Denver and Jason Campbell in Kansas City.

According to The Inquirer, the 'Skins are denying they have any intention of dumping Campbell, which shows they were paying attention when the Broncos got themselves into this mess to begin with. New coach Josh McDaniels, formerly QB coach and offensive coordinator for the Patriots, actively tried to trade Cutler for Cassel last month, didn't succeed, then lied about it.

Source: Philly.com

 

[wileedog]

According to the report, Cutler would end up in Washington, Matt Cassel in Denver and Jason Campbell in Kansas City.

Why would the Chiefs trade Cassell for Campbell?

 

[bbgun]

Why would the Chiefs trade Cassell for Campbell?

You beat me to it.

 

[irvin4evs]

The Commanders would need to trade Campbell, two 1st's and two 2nd's to get Cutler, I bet.

 

[Vintage]

Every now and then, a team picks up a player that puts them into a different category for years, case and point, Michael Jordan with Chicago, Montana with the 9ers, Aikman with the Cowboys, Tim Duncan with the Spurs, I don't know the other sports very well so others can chime in about that.

But if Washington somehow lands Cutler, we're in serious trouble here. They already and always have had a pretty good defense, they have a great runner in Portis, those receivers are quick, even Newman struggles against those little squirts over there.

This would be a sad time in Cowboy history.

You've got to be kidding me. You think Cutler to Washington would hold us back from a Super Bowl?

ROFL.

Cutler and Washington < Brady and NE.

 

[hutch1254]

How could anyone even begin to believe that rumor. It's coming from the PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER. Suddenly they know about the Commanders moves? They don't know jack, the scumbags.

 

[AsthmaField]

The Commanders would need to trade Campbell, two 1st's and two 2nd's to get Cutler, I bet.

Correct.

Campbell, two #1's and two #2's.

or

Just one #1 and one #2 if they don't pawn Campbell off on the Chiefs.


SkinsFan - a bad left side of an offensive line will hurt any QB in any game. Where you and I seem to disagree is that you say the bad OL caused Campbell's (and Portis') poor second half of the season, while I think Jason wouldn't have been much better even if Samuels had stayed healthy.

Heck, bad QB play can make the OL look worse than it actually is. I'm not saying that's what went on in DC, but it might not be that far from the truth either.

I suppose this season will finally let us all know who is correct... the Campbell lovers or the Campbell haters. Like you, I'm ready for it to begin.

 

[SkinsFan28]

SkinsFan - a bad left side of an offensive line will hurt any QB in any game. Where you and I seem to disagree is that you say the bad OL caused Campbell's (and Portis') poor second half of the season, while I think Jason wouldn't have been much better even if Samuels had stayed healthy.

Heck, bad QB play can make the OL look worse than it actually is. I'm not saying that's what went on in DC, but it might not be that far from the truth either.

I suppose this season will finally let us all know who is correct... the Campbell lovers or the Campbell haters. Like you, I'm ready for it to begin.

Truthfully, I don't know many qb's that get a chance like Campbell has to play out his rookie deal, when so many questions linger about his ability. Obviously, I hope that he has a great year and earns league respect, but if not then we start again - now next year I would buy into a Shanahan/Cutler team up in washington.

Off-season is way too long.

 

[Rampage]

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