The Examiner: "Commanders have serious interest in Cutler"

[peplaw06]

We better pray the Skins don't land Cutler, we can forget about the SB for the next 10 years unless their's an injury.

*yawn*

 

[Fletch]

So is Eli's and they won a Super Bowl..

Chalk that Super Bowl victory up to major defense. Eli got lucky. The defense put them into the Super Bowl, and held off the Patsies.

 

[dbair1967]

We better pray the Skins don't land Cutler, we can forget about the SB for the next 10 years unless their's an injury.

 

[Fletch]

We better pray the Skins don't land Cutler, we can forget about the SB for the next 10 years unless their's an injury.

Really? :eekmouse:

 

[bbgun]

Looking comatose with a blank stare at all times is not the same as mental toughness.

duh

 

[1fisher]

We better pray the Skins don't land Cutler, we can forget about the SB for the next 10 years unless their's an injury.

I think I can officially say "I've heard it all"

What do you base this crap on???:bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

 

[Kaika]

We better pray the Skins don't land Cutler, we can forget about the SB for the next 10 years unless their's an injury.

Wow. Out of 100 million sperm cells, and your the one that made it.

 

[DallasDomination]

if the Commanders get cutler they will be big time contendors....

 

[SkinsFan28]

duh

Like there are not thousands of pics of every qb, Elway, Romo, P. Manning or E Manning. H*** the only qb that probably never had a bad pic was Favre...

as to JC's mental state:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/03/campbell_unfazed_by_lack_of_ex.html

"I don't worry about that because I always have confidence in my ability," said Campbell, scheduled to be paid about $2.8 million in 2009. "I know what I can do to help this team win, especially with having the opportunity to be in this offense for my second year. I know what I can do, I know the things I've done and where I can go in this game.
"I'm still a young quarterback, but I'm growing and improving. That's what you want to do. I always put team goals first, I'm always going care about that before anything individual. But as long as we win as a team, everybody will get what they deserve. That's what it's about."

Lets compare that to TR after Philly or JC_D's little tirade right now.


You can knock his speed of release, and failure to look to the 3rd or 4th guy, those I understand, but at least make sense when you knock him and not look to stereotypes.

 

[SkinsFan28]

We better pray the Skins don't land Cutler, we can forget about the SB for the next 10 years unless their's an injury.

now that is a bold if futile and ridiculous prediction.

 

[bbgun]

Like there are not thousands of pics of every qb, Elway, Romo, P. Manning or E Manning. H*** the only qb that probably never had a bad pic was Favre...

Actually, a vacant stare is Jason's calling card. Well, that and trying to close his lips over that overbite.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

it's called poise people

JC has it in spades

 

[SkinsFan28]

Actually, a vacant stare is Jason's calling card. Well, that and trying to close his lips over that overbite.

Come on, seriously, how many CZ sig's have a silly or less than flattering pic of TR. What does this have to do with anything...

 

[Skinsmaniac]

They limited the offense for Campbell, and he was average when teams empahasized stopping Portis. Zorn was also figured out by the end of the year. You add Cutler, your not simplifying the offense. Plus, he has more experience in the West Coast than Campbell.

See, I just don't buy that argument. Campbell's stats were good for the first eight games and then they were putrid. But the simplistic idea that defenses just focused on stopping Portis is silly. It took coaches nine games to realize that Portis was a beast? Are they really that stupid? Moreover, Portis' stats also went downhill in a hurry in the second half of the season. It would be just as ridiculous to say that Portis couldn't run the ball because Campbell wasn't playing well.

I think a much more likely explanation is the play of the Oline. They're old and broke down. When they played injured the team suffered, both running and passing. When our backups came in the team suffered too. We need to get younger and better on the line.

As for Cutler, no thanks. I've been a big Campbell supporter, and I think he's going to be a top ten QB this year. If I'm wrong, then maybe it is time to start looking for someone else after the year.

 

[khiladi]

See, I just don't buy that argument. Campbell's stats were good for the first eight games and then they were putrid. But the simplistic idea that defenses just focused on stopping Portis is silly. It took coaches nine games to realize that Portis was a beast? Are they really that stupid? Moreover, Portis' stats also went downhill in a hurry in the second half of the season. It would be just as ridiculous to say that Portis couldn't run the ball because Campbell wasn't playing well.

I think a much more likely explanation is the play of the Oline. They're old and broke down. When they played injured the team suffered, both running and passing. When our backups came in the team suffered too. We need to get younger and better on the line.

As for Cutler, no thanks. I've been a big Campbell supporter, and I think he's going to be a top ten QB this year. If I'm wrong, then maybe it is time to start looking for someone else after the year.

Are you denying the fact that Zorn dumbed-down the offense for Campbell? There were a series of factors that exposed Campbell by the end of the year, among them Portis was taken away as a threat. Before then, Campbell was decent, which allowed Portis to be really effective, but it was primarily because the Zorn was essentially new. When teams figured the offense out, it was easy to stop Campbell. If you guys get Jay, you should be really happy. I'll be po'd, because you've just added two legitimate game changers on both sides of the ball.

 

[AsthmaField]

See, I just don't buy that argument. Campbell's stats were good for the first eight games and then they were putrid. But the simplistic idea that defenses just focused on stopping Portis is silly. It took coaches nine games to realize that Portis was a beast? Are they really that stupid? Moreover, Portis' stats also went downhill in a hurry in the second half of the season. It would be just as ridiculous to say that Portis couldn't run the ball because Campbell wasn't playing well.

I think a much more likely explanation is the play of the Oline. They're old and broke down. When they played injured the team suffered, both running and passing. When our backups came in the team suffered too. We need to get younger and better on the line.

As for Cutler, no thanks. I've been a big Campbell supporter, and I think he's going to be a top ten QB this year. If I'm wrong, then maybe it is time to start looking for someone else after the year.

I've never seen a more clear cut case of defensive coordinators getting film on a new coach's system, how he is using his QB, and figuring out how to stop what is working for them.

It's not so much that it took eight games for teams to figure out that Portis was a good RB... it's that they had to defend everything because they weren't sure what Zorn was going to do. Portis and the running game helped, no doubt, but defenses had to play them honestly until the passing game was figured out. That happened once defensive coordinators had watched what the Commanders offense was doing for the first few games. Once they had the first several games under their belt, they knew the same thing Zorn did: Jason couldn't read defenses very well and his decision making process was so slow that there weren't many plays Campbell could run that were consistently productive. Honestly, I think Zorn deserves credit for seeing that the offense needed to be simplified for Jason. Unfortunately, that little inconvenient truth really hamstrung his attack.

When all routes had to be covered and each reciever drew his fair share of attention... Portis - a very good back anyway - benefitted greatly and so was able to produce big runs and first downs. As you know, once that happens, defenses are at a disadvantage because the offense can then maintain a balanced run/pass ratio.

Defensive coordinators eventually saw that the pass plays being run consistently were one's where Campbell had few reads, and where his decision making was extremely scaled back... meaning where he had a primary target that he almost always threw to. IOW, the decision making was taken away before the snap in many instances, because Jason already knew where he was going with the ball. That served to greatly reduced the time it took Campbell to get rid of the ball... which in turn, helped to hide his painfully slow release.

Once defenses started taking those plays away (and understanding that on those plays, he likely is going to go to his primary receiver), they were able to focus the needed attention on Portis, in order to stop the torrid pace with which he began the season.

That, of course, put the team in plenty of third and long situations in the latter half of the season... which made the offensive line appear much less effective as the year wore on.

It really was painfully obvious by the end of the season, that defenses were stopping what Zorn was doing with Campbell and the offense. The early plays were simplistic and once those were stopped teams simply focused on Portis and made Campbell beat them. Once that began... Jason was simply unable to do so.

Of course, the bad news for Jason is that defenses won't ever be in a position again where Zorn has never run an offense for them to study (even as a coordinator). They will already know what Jason does well in Zorn's offense... and what he doesn't do well. So, unless Washington is able to pull off this trade for Cutler, it looks like Zorn's offense will be the bumbling, stumbling, deteriorating unit that he ended the season with.

I can't really blame VinSnyder for trying to get Cutler. I'd sell the farm if I were in their shoes and send Campbell to a team that draws their playbook in crayon.

 

[SkinsFan28]

I've never seen a more clear cut case of defensive coordinators getting film on a new coach's system, how he is using his QB, and figuring out how to stop what is working for them.

It's not so much that it took eight games for teams to figure out that Portis was a good RB... it's that they had to defend everything because they weren't sure what Zorn was going to do. Portis and the running game helped, no doubt, but defenses had to play them honestly until the passing game was figured out. That happened once defensive coordinators had watched what the Commanders offense was doing for the first few games. Once they had the first several games under their belt, they knew the same thing Zorn did: Jason couldn't read defenses very well and his decision making process was so slow that there weren't many plays Campbell could run that were consistently productive. Honestly, I think Zorn deserves credit for seeing that the offense needed to be simplified for Jason. Unfortunately, that little inconvenient truth really hamstrung his attack.

When all routes had to be covered and each reciever drew his fair share of attention... Portis - a very good back anyway - benefitted greatly and so was able to produce big runs and first downs. As you know, once that happens, defenses are at a disadvantage because the offense can then maintain a balanced run/pass ratio.

Defensive coordinators eventually saw that the pass plays being run consistently were one's where Campbell had few reads, and where his decision making was extremely scaled back... meaning where he had a primary target that he almost always threw to. IOW, the decision making was taken away before the snap in many instances, because Jason already knew where he was going with the ball. That served to greatly reduced the time it took Campbell to get rid of the ball... which in turn, helped to hide his painfully slow release.

Once defenses started taking those plays away (and understanding that on those plays, he likely is going to go to his primary receiver), they were able to focus the needed attention on Portis, in order to stop the torrid pace with which he began the season.

That, of course, put the team in plenty of third and long situations in the latter half of the season... which made the offensive line appear much less effective as the year wore on.

It really was painfully obvious by the end of the season, that defenses were stopping what Zorn was doing with Campbell and the offense. The early plays were simplistic and once those were stopped teams simply focused on Portis and made Campbell beat them. Once that began... Jason was simply unable to do so.

Of course, the bad news for Jason is that defenses won't ever be in a position again where Zorn has never run an offense for them to study (even as a coordinator). They will already know what Jason does well in Zorn's offense... and what he doesn't do well. So, unless Washington is able to pull off this trade for Cutler, it looks like Zorn's offense will be the bumbling, stumbling, deteriorating unit that he ended the season with.

I can't really blame VinSnyder for trying to get Cutler. I'd sell the farm if I were in their shoes and send Campbell to a team that draws their playbook in crayon.

And you would be wrong with this whole post. In wk 9 Chris Samuels was injured, at that point D's started overloading, at one point in the Giant's game we had a rookie center going against Jason Tuck. Campbell's press is bad, but it was the o-line that gave our games away. I know the Campbell haters, most Commanders sites have more than their share. But this is a quarterback, who every year has had numbers substantially improved, and will be playing with the same structure for a 2nd year. If the game plan was changed it was due to Zorn's inexperience, not JC's.
So for all you who love to hate him, I can't wait till next season, and your responses to his performance.

till then gotta love the hate i guess.

 

[dbair1967]

And you would be wrong with this whole post. In wk 9 Chris Samuels was injured, at that point D's started overloading, at one point in the Giant's game we had a rookie center going against Jason Tuck. Campbell's press is bad, but it was the o-line that gave our games away. I know the Campbell haters, most Commanders sites have more than their share. But this is a quarterback, who every year has had numbers substantially improved, and will be playing with the same structure for a 2nd year. If the game plan was changed it was due to Zorn's inexperience, not JC's.
So for all you who love to hate him, I can't wait till next season, and your responses to his performance.

till then gotta love the hate i guess.

4-12...it'll be a wonderful thing

 

[SkinsFan28]

4-12...it'll be a wonderful thing

:laugh1: See, this is why I come to this board. Good solid hate-inspired ribbing. Feel free to come on over to thewarpath.net and we can share a laugh

 

[Clove]

Every now and then, a team picks up a player that puts them into a different category for years, case and point, Michael Jordan with Chicago, Montana with the 9ers, Aikman with the Cowboys, Tim Duncan with the Spurs, I don't know the other sports very well so others can chime in about that.

But if Washington somehow lands Cutler, we're in serious trouble here. They already and always have had a pretty good defense, they have a great runner in Portis, those receivers are quick, even Newman struggles against those little squirts over there.

This would be a sad time in Cowboy history.