The fatal flaw was exposed

[Maikeru-sama]

Hos, you got to admint that this was a quality defense we went up against. I think the Colts would take the 10 points they put up against the Jaguars this weekend.

I think our perception of the offense would be different if Roy, Glenn and whoever was calling plays during the end of the game.

- Mike G.

 

[joseephuss]

Hos, you got to admint that this was a quality defense we went up against. I think the Colts would take the 10 points they put up against the Jaguars this weekend.

I think our perception of the offense would be different if Roy, Glenn and whoever was calling plays during the end of the game.

- Mike G.

But Dallas had opportunities to score more in this game and blew them. They just aren't yet good enough to score points consistently. They had to rely on a trick play to score their lone TD. They did face a good defense, but they still need to score. I know I was complaining the whole time that they just haven't scored enough to secure victory in this game. Unfortunatley, that turned out true.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

He wasn't sacked at all, which means he had time to make better reads. Don't forget, Vinny put up good numbers early on last year, but it didn't translate into many wins either. When he starts throwing touchdowns against good defenses, I'll get off his case, but so far he's showing he's no better than he was last year. Looks like Tarzan against weak defenses, looks like Jane against the good defenses and he's got 12 years experience, good coaching staff and good players around him. If QC produced just 13 points, we would be hearing how he was the problem, and only if we had a 'real qb'. Now Bledsoe produces only 13 and we hear it's the defense' fault, it's the play-calling, it's the ref' fault, while Bledsoe gets a pass in spite of the fact that he clearly missed open receivers.

I would make this comment. Had we had the Vinnie of the first half the whole year last season, I would not have complained. Bledsoe may fade. If he does, there's not much we can do about it right now. The one thing I do like thus far is that we have not thrown INTs. We haven't lost a lot of fumbles at the QB position. Say what you want but the single biggest statistic in Pro Football is TO ratio. It determines who wins and loses.

 

[PJCOWBOYS]

We lost because everyone on the team ate a peanut butter and jelly sandwich before the game. Roy refused to eat one. The REAL BLAME is that peanut butter sandwich. To H*LL WITH YOU peanut butter sandwich!

 

[blindzebra]

Actually, messed up three times. He let an easy INT go through his hands to zonk him right in the face mask just before the first touchdown was given up. Would have iced the game.

Must have been the playcalling :laugh2:

Talk about revisionist history.

Watch it again, and you will see that Henry also made a play on the ball and got Williams right arm instead.

The first TD was 100% on Glenn, he bit on the double move. The play was designed to force Williams into two routes by running posts with both receivers on his side, and he got there a split second late.

 

[SCCowboyfan]

'SKINS EXPOSE WILLIAMS

There's rampant talk in league circles following the Cowboys' late-game loss to the Commanders that those two loooong passes from Mark Brunell to Santana Moss exposed Dallas safety Roy Williams as a very poor performer in pass coverage...

The recipient of arguably undue hype for his overall game, Williams simply doesn't have the raw speed to be a factor in pass coverage. On both of Washington's fourth-quarter touchdowns, Williams couldn't provide deep help to break up the play.
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Is there really "rampant" talk about Roy Williams around the league? I know the book on him will be that he doesn't have the "raw speed to be a factor in pass coverage" but he has been doing pretty well so far. It was one game, two plays. Granted they were two important, game-breaking plays, but two plays none the less. If everyone is running around "rampantly" saying he can not cover wide recievers, then perpare the strecher this season because his list of injuried receivers that he leaves laying on the ground after he lack of raw speed catches up to them will just get longer.

"Hey T.O., how's the ankle felling? Good Roy has no speed to run you down this year."

Everyone just needs to relax a bit. Drink some Decaf for a while.

 

[DLCassidy]

He wasn't sacked at all, which means he had time to make better reads. Don't forget, Vinny put up good numbers early on last year, but it didn't translate into many wins either. When he starts throwing touchdowns against good defenses, I'll get off his case, but so far he's showing he's no better than he was last year. Looks like Tarzan against weak defenses, looks like Jane against the good defenses and he's got 12 years experience, good coaching staff and good players around him. If QC produced just 13 points, we would be hearing how he was the problem, and only if we had a 'real qb'. Now Bledsoe produces only 13 and we hear it's the defense' fault, it's the play-calling, it's the ref' fault, while Bledsoe gets a pass in spite of the fact that he clearly missed open receivers.

You love Quincy Carter. You hate Bledsoe. We get it. You got anything else?

 

[joseephuss]

Is there really "rampant" talk about Roy Williams around the league? I know the book on him will be that he doesn't have the "raw speed to be a factor in pass coverage" but he has been doing pretty well so far. It was one game, two plays. Granted they were two important, game-breaking plays, but two plays none the less. If everyone is running around "rampantly" saying he can not cover wide recievers, then perpare the strecher this season because his list of injuried receivers that he leaves laying on the ground after he lack of raw speed catches up to them will just get longer.

"Hey T.O., how's the ankle felling? Good Roy has no speed to run you down this year."

Everyone just needs to relax a bit. Drink some Decaf for a while.

It wasn't Roy's speed or lack of speed on those plays although that does contribute. It was recognition. Most safeties are slower than receivers. That is just how the position is. It is the ability to read what is happening and do something about it. That starts before the ball is even snapped.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

It wasn't Roy's speed or lack of speed on those plays although that does contribute. It was recognition. Most safeties are slower than receivers. That is just how the position is. It is the ability to read what is happening and do something about it. That starts before the ball is even snapped.

Very good point. Roy didn't recognize soon enough... especially on the first TD. And when he did he turned the wrong direction.

 

[Dallas]

Didnt BP say in todays PC that more fault was on A.Glenn than RW on both of those plays?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Didnt BP say in todays PC that more fault was on A.Glenn than RW on both of those plays?

He implied that but as we know Bill has been know to tell us things that weren't necessarily true.

 

[blindzebra]

He implied that but as we know Bill has been know to tell us things that weren't necessarily true.

I paid close attention when I re-watched the game and Glenn blew it both times.

He bit on the double move and broke stride on the first one.

On the second one when he turned out of his back peddle he drifted too wide so not only did his cushion get eaten up by Moss' speed he lost his angle to the ball.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Okay, Hos, what's the deal with the Romo avatar? :laugh2:

I know you must have lost a bet with Nors or something...

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I paid close attention when I re-watched the game and Glenn blew it both times.

He bit on the double move and broke stride on the first one.

On the second one when he turned out of his back peddle he drifted too wide so not only did his cushion get eaten up by Moss' speed he lost his angle to the ball.

I think that this is true but unless we were in a straight man to man with Glenn on Moss, the help over the top should have been there. In both cases, Moss was past the safety and the corner.

 

[blindzebra]

I think that this is true but unless we were in a straight man to man with Glenn on Moss, the help over the top should have been there. In both cases, Moss was past the safety and the corner.

The first play was more great design and a perfect throw as far as Roy is concerned.

The second one was a double dipper of bad coverage, Glenn drifted outside and Williams let his cushion get eaten up before he turned.

 

[wileedog]

The first play was more great design and a perfect throw as far as Roy is concerned.

The second one was a double dipper of bad coverage, Glenn drifted outside and Williams let his cushion get eaten up before he turned.

I don't know, I'm not sure you can ask for much better single coverage than Glenn gave, especially one on one against a speedster like Moss.

Look how close he came on this one

If that ball is underthrown by 6 inches its a pick.

The deep safety on this play should NOT be out of this picture.

 

[blindzebra]

I don't know, I'm not sure you can ask for much better single coverage than Glenn gave, especially one on one against a speedster like Moss.

Look how close he came on this one

If that ball is underthrown by 6 inches its a pick.

The deep safety on this play should NOT be out of this picture.

And where would he have been if he had not drifted five yards toward the side line? Glenn went from the numbers to the paint before he broke on the ball.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

And where would he have been if he had not drifted five yards toward the side line? Glenn went from the numbers to the paint before he broke on the ball.

I still would have liked to have seen us stay in man-under cover-2 with Glenn bumping Moss at the line.

 

[diehard2294]

'SKINS EXPOSE WILLIAMS



There's rampant talk in league circles following the Cowboys' late-game loss to the Commanders that those two loooong passes from Mark Brunell to Santana Moss exposed Dallas safety Roy Williams as a very poor performer in pass coverage.



While no one questions his ability to stuff the run, the book on Williams now includes a separate chapter regarding his weaknesses against aerial attacks.



The recipient of arguably undue hype for his overall game, Williams simply doesn't have the raw speed to be a factor in pass coverage. On both of Washington's fourth-quarter touchdowns, Williams couldn't provide deep help to break up the play.
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I wouldn't say he doesn't have speed,did anyone see his closing speed when he sacked Brunnell,looked like he was shot out of a rocket. I believe he just has avg. instincts when it comes to pass coverage.He looked like he had cement shoes when Moss was coming at him,almost like he couldn't believe it was happening. The shame of it is ,he played great the other night,except for the winning touchdown pass. Happens to the best of them

 

[Hostile]

Okay, Hos, what's the deal with the Romo avatar? :laugh2:

I know you must have lost a bet with Nors or something...

BnA insists I lost a bet and is whining on another forum. This is to dry his tears.