The goats of the year thread

[theSHOW]

Carter was great last year and horrible this year. Yet everyone assumes this year is the real Carter, totally dismissing last year as if it never happened.

I agree. Give him another year. Let's see how he responds to this.

We are safe with Carter. He is not overpayed at the moment. Carter has a chance to get it together. The man has the quickness to play this game. Now getting back to Ware...axe And speaking of Lee.....trade him and move on.....glass breaks just before the big party. Sean is a beautiful piece of glass. Have a garage sale and somebody will go after him. Austin...lol makes Lee look durable.

 

[xwalker]

Carter was great last year and horrible this year. Yet everyone assumes this year is the real Carter, totally dismissing last year as if it never happened.

I agree. Give him another year. Let's see how he responds to this.

"They" expected him to be cut after 1 bad game. You can't expect them to give him another season.

 

[perrykemp]

Carter was indeed great just last season, his second year in the 3-4. He will also come on strong next year in his second year in the new system. Some guys take a little longer to adjust to new schemes and excel without thinking.

Great is too strong of a word for Carter's performance in 2012.

He averaged 6 tackles a game over the 11 games he played and never tallied a sack or an interception.

I'm rephrase to something more like "surprisingly good".

 

[zack]

I'm not sure any of us can say that Lee, Austin, or Ware haven't done everything they can to get back onto the field. It sucks that all of them have had health issues but I feel no malice towards any of them for it.

Carr was a below average CB from the Detroit game on and was not injured. He needs to turn it around -- the club is paying him WAY to much for this level of play.

I think his play was a result of the defensive line. At times they got pressure but mostly it was 7-7 with a QB having all day to throw. I have confidence he will be better when the dline gets some real starters.

 

[wileedog]

I think his play was a result of the defensive line. .

I agree with this on Carr. The more D-linemen went down the worse Carr's play seemed to get. Might say the same for Mo although he wasn't exactly lighting it up when the line was at full(ish) strength early in the year.

That said, Scandrick had a very good season no matter what was going on with the line, so take with appropriate salt.

 

[Rockport]

So your premise is : if Sean lee weighed 240 he would be superman and never get hurt . Yea whatever dude let's get rid of Sean lee our best player . Size makes you not get hurt right ? You have no idea what you're saying .

No, never said that. All I said is that Lee's too small for his position. The middle LB has to be strong against the run. That position takes a beating. Now another year on HGH and he may be ok.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

No, never said that. All I said is that Lee's too small for his position. The middle LB has to be strong against the run. That position takes a beating. Now another year on HGH and he may be ok.

Sean lee is an absolute beast vs the run . I have no idea what you've been watching Sean lee was great at even a 3-4 MLB (and they are suppose to be bigger ) I don't see what you're saying lee is brilliant vs the run . Go compare the other MLB in the nfl , Lee size wise is great .

 

[Rockport]

Sean lee is an absolute beast vs the run . I have no idea what you've been watching Sean lee was great at even a 3-4 MLB (and they are suppose to be bigger ) I don't see what you're saying lee is brilliant vs the run . Go compare the other MLB in the nfl , Lee size wise is great .

Dude, I never said he wasn't a beast against the run. I just said he's too small for the position and that's why he gets hurt ALL THE TIME. Jeez.

 

[Szczepanik]

Yes he was and he was also injured a lot. The fact that Lee is undersized for the position is not debatable. It's a fact. He's 6'2" 234lb's. That's way way too small for a mike.

Being undersized does not make you prone to injury. Provide me with statistical proof that being undersized causes you to be prone to injuries if you want to debate on this.

Russel Wilson is also undersized for a QB. Does that make him more susceptible to injuries than other QB's? No way.

Reasons for being prone to injuries: Having weakened muscles or ligaments in specific areas. Not being conditioned properly, or not stretching properly is another reason. Another reason for injury is putting your body in bad angles/ positions.

Sean Lee is most likely a very conditioned athlete. It would be safe to say that the most likely reason for him being injured is that he takes a lot of RISKS to stop offensive players. He puts his body in vulnerable positions while making tackles and puts the team over his health.

That is the number one reason why he is consistently injured. There is no such ailment called being injury prone. He is a risk taker to stop the offense any way possible. We should be grateful that he isn't one of the defensive players that does not wish to make contact with a RB per say. He tweaked his hamstring in the NO game when he got twisted down during a tackle. He also hurt his neck during a tackle.

Find me scientific evidence that a hamstring injury correlates with a stinger injury. If he was physically weakened and more prone to injury, he would have hurt ALOT more of his body by now.

It is a combination of bad luck, and putting himself into positions that have a chance for injury in an effort to over compensate for the lack of defense on our team.

It is easily fixable by 2 things, a better supporting cast and mental change so he does not repeatedly put himself at risk. Dez does the same thing as Lee does. but he does not consistently take the same punishment.

End of thread. If you wish to dispute provide scientific evidence for any correlation of injuries.

 

[Szczepanik]

Size has nothing to due with injury. There is no correlation. It is a myth.

 

[Coy]

Yes he was and he was also injured a lot. The fact that Lee is undersized for the position is not debatable. It's a fact. He's 6'2" 234lb's. That's way way too small for a mike.

Luke Kuechly plays the same position, He's 6'3" 235 lb's and he probably is the best LB in the league and maybe even defensive player of the year.
http://www.nfl.com/player/lukekuechly/2533056/profile

 

[big dog cowboy]

Luke Kuechly plays the same position, He's 6'3" 235 lb's and he probably is the best LB in the league and maybe even defensive player of the year.
http://www.nfl.com/player/lukekuechly/2533056/profile

I'd take that a step further and say I'd trade Lee and a draft pick for Kuechly in a NY minute.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Yes he was and he was also injured a lot. The fact that Lee is undersized for the position is not debatable. It's a fact. He's 6'2" 234lb's. That's way way too small for a mike.

London Fletcher is about 5-9 and about 240. I wouldn't call him undersized or fragile. Nor would I say he was too small for the position.

Mike Simgletary 6 feet and about 225-230 from what I recall...

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Meant to say "Singletary was" ...

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

I'd take that a step further and say I'd trade Lee and a draft pick for Kuechly in a NY minute.

eh i wouldnt for a high draft pick. Lee is the better all around player. Ive watched the panthers lots and Kuechly is great vs the run .... but lee is superior vs the pass.

 

[Rockport]

Being undersized does not make you prone to injury. Provide me with statistical proof that being undersized causes you to be prone to injuries if you want to debate on this.

Russel Wilson is also undersized for a QB. Does that make him more susceptible to injuries than other QB's? No way.

Reasons for being prone to injuries: Having weakened muscles or ligaments in specific areas. Not being conditioned properly, or not stretching properly is another reason. Another reason for injury is putting your body in bad angles/ positions.

Sean Lee is most likely a very conditioned athlete. It would be safe to say that the most likely reason for him being injured is that he takes a lot of RISKS to stop offensive players. He puts his body in vulnerable positions while making tackles and puts the team over his health.

That is the number one reason why he is consistently injured. There is no such ailment called being injury prone. He is a risk taker to stop the offense any way possible. We should be grateful that he isn't one of the defensive players that does not wish to make contact with a RB per say. He tweaked his hamstring in the NO game when he got twisted down during a tackle. He also hurt his neck during a tackle.

Find me scientific evidence that a hamstring injury correlates with a stinger injury. If he was physically weakened and more prone to injury, he would have hurt ALOT more of his body by now.

It is a combination of bad luck, and putting himself into positions that have a chance for injury in an effort to over compensate for the lack of defense on our team.

It is easily fixable by 2 things, a better supporting cast and mental change so he does not repeatedly put himself at risk. Dez does the same thing as Lee does. but he does not consistently take the same punishment.

End of thread. If you wish to dispute provide scientific evidence for any correlation of injuries.

I don't need no stats. It's just common sense. Duh. Proof is that Lee can't stay on the field.

 

[Pokeness]

But the goat of the year award still goes to Jerry!

Digest this:
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[The Natural]

I forget who said it since I couldnt quote posters while being benched, but this is the most important offseason for Carter and Claiborne. For Carter its all about the mental and motor, for Claiborne its his physical game. And frankly I'm not sure there's much you can do about either.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Not going to mention any names ...buuutt!

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The Oil Man

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The Face of the Franchise

 

[Doomsday]

Jerry Jones
Heath
Ratliff
Bruce Carter