The Herd - Rating Dak

[northerncowboynation]

I hope this hasn't been posted. This will get tore up, but it did make me feel food about Dak. Discuss.

I've always compared him to Wilson and Steve McNair and that has nothing to do with pigment Not quite the arm strength of McNair or the quickness of Wilson. I agree with Herd, Wilson is headed in the direction of the HOF. He still has a few more years to play top flight QB before he get's there. His first year in the NFL he was called a bus driver. He hasn't been called that since going to the SB twice. We should be thrilled that the Wilson/Dak comparison is valid. Yes they're on different teams, different offensive schemes and different schedule BUT the comparison is valid

 

[Stash]

I suppose it depends on how you define production. But yes I think it’s safe to say Wentz would be ahead of Dak on draft boards.

I’m not bashing Dak...only offering an opinion about where he ranks compared to the others discussed. I agree with Colin that he is at least tier 3

Would touchdowns scored be the ultimate measure for "production"? I mean highest score wins, right?

If so, Prescott outpaces Wentz 57-51. Would lack of turnovers be another one? If so, Prescott outpaces Wentz 17-21.

Any list that ranks Wentz ahead of Prescott is obviously a wrong one. As has been proven here.

 

[Stash]

Noise is what fan forums are based on. Much like sitting around watching a game with other fans.

It’s how we can all watch the same play or game and come away with different perspectives , effects and solutions.

Some having support and worth and others being unsupported and worthless. Yeah, plenty of experience dealing with "noise". I usually just tell them to shut up.

 

[G2]

Imagine if Prescott had T.O., Witten and Dez in their prime during his career?

 

[northerncowboynation]

Oh I agree. Jimmy is a beast. But I am just speaking of what’s been proven.

That being said, jimmy also has several more years in the league than Dak. Being coached by Belichek and learning from Brady.

I know some posters on this site like to pretend that a QB sitting for several years and learning from the sidelines isn’t helpful to a QB *cough* Romo *cough*, but to me I think it’s obvious that it is very helpful to a QB.

The fact that the Cowboys didn't draft one QB in the Romo era then tried to fill in with JAG's in 2015 is precisely the reason why Dak had to learn on the fly. FO learned a lesson on that one. They have drafted 3 in the past three years. Now, some want to anoint Rush and White. Based on what. Dak was thrown in to the fire and handled it beautifully. Most rookies would have caved and trust me the Dallas Cowboys are unlike any team in the NFL. Under constant scrutiny, media attention, outside pressure. The fact that Dak handled that so well (in both 2016 and 2017 with the Zeke BS) is a beautiful thing

 

[zrinkill]

Dak is gonna make a lot of the anti-dak crowd cry this year

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

I heard him on the radio the other day say that rooting for Dallas is like pulling for a bunch of rich, meth head kids... he just can’t do it.

Im not saying youre lying but Id love to hear that sound bite. He also picked the Cowboys to win the East this year; hes actually speaked pretty glowingly about Garrett and the talent level of the current roster....he cheered Bryants release...

Im just saying Id be shocked to hear him say that plus hes usually never that vulgar.

 

[CyberB0b]

Not sure how Jimmy Garoppolo is a 2nd tier QB with 7 career starts.

 

[Rayman70]

we saw what Dak is in year 1. He is a QB that must have a supporting cast to protect him and go get the ball. Last year,he lacked both at times. We saw what happened to Troy Aikman after Irvin retired and Novacek. He was not the same guy. Good players help GOOD PLAYERS be great. Maybe Dak wont be confused with Elway or Rodgers,Marino...but he's pretty danged good. He's basically Russell Wilson with size. I will take that anyday of the week.

 

[Rayman70]

Its funny and a bit premature...all the love Jimmy G. is getting over Dak Prescott. All without having done a darn thing over a 16 game schedule. I think its very fool hearty at best.

 

[Whyjerry]

Common sense. It’s not difficult to deduce that if both QBs were in the same draft, Garoppolo would be ahead of Dak on just about every board.

Makes sense. By that logic Connor Cook, Paxton Lynch, and Christian Hackenberg are better than Dak. It is not common sense - it is your opinion. Just admit you are not a Dak guy. Be honest, you will feel better.

 

[Whyjerry]

So, given these circumstances Dak is up against you’d say he wouldnt have had as much success as Jimmy G?

How am I or you or anyone to know? What I do know is that Dak has been a revelation in his 2 seasons in Dallas. I also know a lot of people like Jimmy G despite the fact his resume is paper thin. Time will tell.

 

[Whyjerry]

The criticism is always going to be there regardless if it’s validated or not without more team success. Shoot, we bashed the Cowboys all time leading passer for 10 years without better team results.

Do you think Dak would have won the starting role without the winning wave. It’s all about winning when your a QB.

Romo, God love him, was talented but often came up small in the big spot. We could argue whether or not that opportunity would have been there without Romo. Passing stats me nothing to me because the game has changed. Aikman and Staubach did not have Romo's stats but they were miles better. I do know this - Dak has had a first 2 seasons that could compared favorably to any quarterback.

 

[BillyBates]

what is working against Dak is J.J AND J.G. he has absolutely no WO that will draw double coverage now. he has been given a offensive turd to polish. teams D are going to stack 8 man fronts and make Zek really work for any yardage.

 

[AsthmaField]

Im not saying youre lying but Id love to hear that sound bite. He also picked the Cowboys to win the East this year; hes actually speaked pretty glowingly about Garrett and the talent level of the current roster....he cheered Bryants release...

Im just saying Id be shocked to hear him say that plus hes usually never that vulgar.

Think what you want, man. Like I’ve said a few times already, he has been positive a lot lately. That doesn’t change how he has been historically.

As for the sound byte... they play it on fox sports radio quite a bit when they run a short promo for his show. I’ve probably heard it 50 times now.

If you don’t think it’s true... well, that’s entirely up to you bro.

 

[mcmvp]

Makes sense. By that logic Connor Cook, Paxton Lynch, and Christian Hackenberg are better than Dak. It is not common sense - it is your opinion. Just admit you are not a Dak guy. Be honest, you will feel better.

Those are really silly comparisons. I don’t think any of them are better than Dak.

There is more than enough info out on Garappolo. People want to say it’s just 7 starts or whatever...but it’s apparent to me that many of those people may just not know what they’re seeing...or they haven’t watched him actually play.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Those are really silly comparisons. I don’t think any of them are better than Dak.

There is more than enough info out on Garappolo. People want to say it’s just 7 starts or whatever...but it’s apparent to me that many of those people may just not know what they’re seeing...or they haven’t watched him actually play.

Given Dak’s contract, it’s not crazy to think that a few GM’s might take him for that reason alone. But overall, I’m pretty sure coaches/GMs would almost unanimously take Garappolo. Which makes sense, he’s played well so far and was a more highly regarded prospect. Additionally, many coaches and GMs have both on and off the record been skeptical of Dak, and Dak turning into a bottom 5 QB when his perfect cocoon of conditions was breached likely did nothing to sway them.

 

[mcmvp]

Given Dak’s contract, it’s not crazy to think that a few GM’s might take him for that reason alone. But overall, I’m pretty sure coaches/GMs would almost unanimously take Garappolo. Which makes sense, he’s played well so far and was a more highly regarded prospect. Additionally, many coaches and GMs have both on and off the record been skeptical of Dak, and Dak turning into a bottom 5 QB when his perfect cocoon of conditions was breached likely did nothing to sway them.

I hear you on the contract part… Which is why I said if they were in the same draft class, and both still on the board, it’s pretty obvious where GMs would rank them.

 

[Whyjerry]

Those are really silly comparisons. I don’t think any of them are better than Dak.

There is more than enough info out on Garappolo. People want to say it’s just 7 starts or whatever...but it’s apparent to me that many of those people may just not know what they’re seeing...or they haven’t watched him actually play.

Sounds like you are the new President of the Jimmy G Fan Club. Enjoy.

 

[CouchCoach]

The only thing that matters to me is that the general consensus is that Dak can get better, He isn't close to his ceiling. And when it's all said and done no matter where your athlete ranks this is what you want to hear that he can improve. I'm looking forward to an improved Dak, I will let others look forward to where he ranks.

This is the key. He's only had two seasons but some have him as the franchise and some have him being replaced this season.

He was thrown into the fire well before anyone thought he was ready but he landed well on his feet and had the good fortune to have something rookie QB's seldom have, a top 3 OL and top 2 run game. He really didn't do anymore than execute the called plays and improvise on occasion in his rookie season.

In his soph season, he was expected to do more and required to do more as a rookie top pick QB would usually be called upon with the expectations that he will struggle. Remember P. Manning's and Luck's rookie seasons? Led the league in picks.

It is too early too tell where his ceiling is but he is already a better running QB than any but Newton but he's a hell of a lot smarter then Newton and is excellent at avoiding head on contact, My only concern with Dak is consistent accuracy and that concern is still there.

As far as being the GOAT DC QB, man, those are some big shoes to fill and I would rather he didn't say things like that.