The "hurt QB" excuse

[DandyDon52]

Haley wasn't on the team in 91.

your right , he came on in 92.

 

[DandyDon52]

Nice cherry picked game ....?
And....they did have Irvin AND Smith, so no matter what back up QB was in there, the defense still had to respect both the running and passing games with starters and a decent back up QB, no matter what his stats turned out to be in a bad weather game.

I think it was just a different way to knock Garrett.

that was the only 91 game on you tube.
We had Dez and McF
and with JG being 1-11 with bkup's, no need to knock him, that pretty much says it all.
And it was mainly to knock the "excuse" that people give for the 1-11 record.
That 91 team had a better defense and DC I concede that, but with no aikman and in 91 their offense was not
really better as far as talent goes.

 

[cowboyblue22]

one excuse is good as another that's whats wrong with this team to many excuses lots of talk very little substance.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

This is just so I want to say stupid but that's not a strong enough word. Jimmy didn't do any great job of coaching, his players made plays that were presented to them, which is why the team went on to win 3 superbowls and that team had 10 wins at the time of the game so they were pretty dang good. But for all his greatness, his O scored 1 touchdown and kicked 3 FG in the game. WOW,,, what a great coach. Please.

 

[Doomsday101]

Jimmy was great but even Jimmy could not make 'Babe' Laufenberg, with better backups we could win. I don't excuse this past season all because Romo got hurt however I knew it would place a lot more on defense and while defense did some good things they failed to get turnovers and failed in critical moments in games. Does this all fall to Garrett? sure he is the HC and just as I gave credit to him (despite many here claiming otherwise) when Dallas went 12-4 and I will place as much blame on Garrett for this seasons collapse.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Exactly
(Garrett- Romo) = campo

Please dont compare poor old Campo to the hapless Garrett. Campo had little talent to work with. Garrett has waaaaay more talent here and no salary cap hell. Campo was also a fine DC where Garrett cant even call a game properly.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Nice cherry picked game ....?
And....they did have Irvin AND Smith, so no matter what back up QB was in there, the defense still had to respect both the running and passing games with starters and a decent back up QB, no matter what his stats turned out to be in a bad weather game.

I think it was just a different way to knock Garrett.

Yes, and here comes Garretts hero to come swooping in to save his honor. LOL

I guess someone has to do it. Going down with the ship I see. Ill give you that.

 

[CowboyRoy]

This is just so I want to say stupid but that's not a strong enough word. Jimmy didn't do any great job of coaching, his players made plays that were presented to them, which is why the team went on to win 3 superbowls and that team had 10 wins at the time of the game so they were pretty dang good. But for all his greatness, his O scored 1 touchdown and kicked 3 FG in the game. WOW,,, what a great coach. Please.

Amazing!! Jimmys players made the plays that they were presented and that is bad coaching. Yet Garretts players dont make the plays they are presented and thats good coaching?

You have just proven that you dont know what coaching is about. Ignorance is surely bliss.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Jimmy was great but even Jimmy could not make 'Babe' Laufenberg, with better backups we could win. I don't excuse this past season all because Romo got hurt however I knew it would place a lot more on defense and while defense did some good things they failed to get turnovers and failed in critical moments in games. Does this all fall to Garrett? sure he is the HC and just as I gave credit to him (despite many here claiming otherwise) when Dallas went 12-4 and I will place as much blame on Garrett for this seasons collapse.

Jimmy and his Cowboys were fighting for championships and NFC East titles when they were the best division in all of football. The LT led Giants and the big bad boys in Philly. Garrett cant even have a winning record in the NFC east when we are the worst division in football. 9-7 or 10-6 wins it nearly every time.

It truly is pathetic to watch. And lets not forget winning it all with the Niners in our way and then the Bills in the SB at least half the time.

Jimmy was the puppet master. Garrett is simply the puppet.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Amazing!! Jimmys players made the plays that they were presented and that is bad coaching. Yet Garretts players dont make the plays they are presented and thats good coaching?

You have just proven that you dont know what coaching is about. Ignorance is surely bliss.

At this level, a coach should not have to teach players how to catch a ball that hits in the hands, that is on the player. Or how to tackle or how to take an angle, etc.. those things have been gone over time and time again. So to me, its on the players. You really think Jimmy taught Mike how to catch a football? Or did Mike just catch the ball because he was a great WR? The coach can only put players in position to be successful, which Garrett did do a lot this year, we were ahead or tied in almost every game in the 4th Q. But the players have to make the plays needed to win once they are in the situation. Clearly they didn't. Again, some of that is on the Coach, scheme, etc.. some of that falls to the players.

And I never said Jimmy was bad or that Garrett was good. And this pointed to a particular game, and that is what I responded to.

And I have been a coach of this game. It's amazing how many time you go over something, over and over, but in the heat of the battle, the players make the mistake you warned them about making. It's frustrating because you know you prepared them for it. But that was HS Level, I would hope it would be different at the NFL level, but I can't say if it is or not.

 

[CowboyRoy]

At this level, a coach should not have to teach players how to catch a ball that hits in the hands, that is on the player. Or how to tackle or how to take an angle, etc.. those things have been gone over time and time again. So to me, its on the players. You really think Jimmy taught Mike how to catch a football? Or did Mike just catch the ball because he was a great WR? The coach can only put players in position to be successful, which Garrett did do a lot this year, we were ahead or tied in almost every game in the 4th Q. But the players have to make the plays needed to win once they are in the situation. Clearly they didn't. Again, some of that is on the Coach, scheme, etc.. some of that falls to the players.

And I never said Jimmy was bad or that Garrett was good. And this pointed to a particular game, and that is what I responded to.

And I have been a coach of this game. It's amazing how many time you go over something, over and over, but in the heat of the battle, the players make the mistake you warned them about making. It's frustrating because you know you prepared them for it. But that was HS Level, I would hope it would be different at the NFL level, but I can't say if it is or not.

Catch a ball? Why are we having a conversation about catching a ball? Don't oversimplify to prove a point. Coaching is much more than teaching to catch a ball. Seriously.

Jimmy Johnson was a leader of men. A football mind. A master motivator. Knew how to push buttons. He didnt coach scared. He had balls of steel. He was able to juggle many many volatile and diverse personalities, handle it all, get the most out of his players, and keep them winning. That is a gift. He also clearly knew how to influence Jerry. None of which Garrett has any kind of grasp on. And even Jerry agrees. Its clear he gives Garrett little control and undermines him every chance he gets. With Jimmy, not so much.

Jimmy also knew personnel, and its quite clear Garrett does not. There is no comparison. And for you to prop up Garrett by blaming it on the players is ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as giving Jimmy less credit.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Catch a ball? Why are we having a conversation about catching a ball? Don't oversimplify to prove a point. Coaching is much more than teaching to catch a ball. Seriously.

Jimmy Johnson was a leader of men. A football mind. A master motivator. Knew how to push buttons. He didnt coach scared. He had balls of steel. He was able to juggle many many volatile and diverse personalities, handle it all, get the most out of his players, and keep them winning. That is a gift. He also clearly knew how to influence Jerry. None of which Garrett has any kind of grasp on. And even Jerry agrees. Its clear he gives Garrett little control and undermines him every chance he gets. With Jimmy, not so much.

Jimmy also knew personnel, and its quite clear Garrett does not. There is no comparison. And for you to prop up Garrett by blaming it on the players is ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as giving Jimmy less credit.

We will just to disagree on what Jimmy was as a coach. I can't stand that man and I admit it clouds my judgement. But he was not a great personnel guy, not by a long shot.

But yes, if Dez catches a ball, we win the Tampa game, is that Garrett's fault that he dropped a ball, would he had made that catch if Jimmy was the coach? That's what I mean by players making plays that are presented to them. Not out of the ordinary crazy plays but simple, catch the ball. There are numerous plays you look at during the year that directly cost us games and it was because players failed to do their job.

 

[CowboyRoy]

We will just to disagree on what Jimmy was as a coach. I can't stand that man and I admit it clouds my judgement. But he was not a great personnel guy, not by a long shot.

But yes, if Dez catches a ball, we win the Tampa game, is that Garrett's fault that he dropped a ball, would he had made that catch if Jimmy was the coach? That's what I mean by players making plays that are presented to them. Not out of the ordinary crazy plays but simple, catch the ball. There are numerous plays you look at during the year that directly cost us games and it was because players failed to do their job.

OMG....I was at that game. It should have never come down to Dez catching the ball to win it. What did we score 6 total points? You going to tell me that the Ivy league genius, OC guru of Jason Garrett couldnt score more than two field goals with our team? Please.

You do have a way of over simplifying with some of this stuff. And NOT scoring TD's was an epidemic for this team, not a chance event.

If there is anything that this season should have proven quite clearly it is that Tony Romo was and has always been the key to the success of this offense and this team. Nothing to do with Jason Garrett or his schemes or the way he called or motivated the team. It was aaaaaallllll Tony Romo. Without Romo, this offense was as bad as I have EVER seen.

And I just read an article where the Cowboys line, despite the bad season was rated as the #1 line in football. #1 in pass protection and #1 in run blocking.

If that isnt the nail in the coffin for Garrett and his abilities, then I dont know what is. Best Oline by far and this offense was dead in the water. Ive never even heard of anything like that.

And then Weeden going to another team and leading them into the post season? You couldnt make this stuff up as proof positive.

 

[big dog cowboy]

And then Weeden going to another team and leading them into the post season?

Oh my gosh..........

 

[DandyDon52]

NFC East
Team W L PCT PF PA
(1) Washington Commanders 14 2 .875 485 224
(5) Dallas Cowboys 11 5 .688 342 310
Philadelphia Eagles 10 6 .625 285 244
New York Giants 8 8 .500 281 297
Phoenix Cardinals 4 12 .250 196 344
1991 season was a tough div back then and cowboys had to play last 4 games and 1
playoff game with bkup qb and won all 5.
Wash won the SB that year and dallas beat them in wash 24-21 and that was when aikman got hurt.

Players did step up each week, due to they had the close knit team unity, and each week it was different players
that stepped up and that was due to jimmy and the way he motivated them.

 

[DandyDon52]

This is just so I want to say stupid but that's not a strong enough word. Jimmy didn't do any great job of coaching, his players made plays that were presented to them, which is why the team went on to win 3 superbowls and that team had 10 wins at the time of the game so they were pretty dang good. But for all his greatness, his O scored 1 touchdown and kicked 3 FG in the game. WOW,,, what a great coach. Please.

They did have 10 wins, last 4 with a bkup qb, and philly had the 4th best defense in nfl in points allowed.
They were just coming together as a good team, and it was the wash game where even madden said jimmy did a
great job of coaching in that game, and that motivated the team as wash was the only unbeaten team in nfl at that point
and went on to win the SB.
They won 4 in a row after the wash game and then won the first playoff game.
Then Detroit beat them bad in detroit.
Detroit was 12-4 and only wash kept them from going to a SB.

 

[mrmojo]

I will never understand the Jimy and Troy bashing that goes on here. For those who actually watched and lived the games back then these 2 were considered the best at their professions during this era and Jimmys coaching and Troys QB play were second to none in NFL history.....and yet JG continues to be employed....give me a break.

 

[MrPeanutbutter]

The QB has never been more valuable than it is right now. There is no cross generation comparison to be made to this passing happy era.

 

[DandyDon52]

The QB has never been more valuable than it is right now. There is no cross generation comparison to be made to this passing happy era.

jimmy was smart enough to have a quality backup , lol some things are just common sense or fundamental so you can compare those.

 

[Idgit]

jimmy was smart enough to have a quality backup , lol some things are just common sense or fundamental so you can compare those.

You're talking about Babe Laufenberg, right?