The interesting case of Morris Claiborne

[Galian Beast]

I respect your opinion on this matter. Honestly. I'm not omniscient and you are (admittedly in my mind) a tremendous poster, but I think you are wrong wrong wrong.
Carr may take a paycut, but if he doesn't- I don't believe he will be cut. He'll be right here.

Now- if I'm wrong and you and I both remember, I will bow down. I don't think I will be bowing down to anyone anytime soon though...

I also don't think the Cowboys would ask a player to take a pay cut and just do nothing when they say no.

The only way Carr remains on the team without taking a pay cut is if someone gets hurt or Scandrick holds out.

 

[Corso]

I also don't think the Cowboys would ask a player to take a pay cut and just do nothing when they say no.

The only way Carr remains on the team without taking a pay cut is if someone gets hurt or Scandrick holds out.

You may be right... We shall see, won't we?

 

[TheCount]

I'm still not sure I see the point of asking Carr to take a pay cut at this point. How are you gonna pitch that to him and what do you want to do with the money?

 

[superonyx]

Cap space doesn't exist in a bubble, it's a fluid number that encapsulates multiple years. You don't keep Carr because you have cap space, because you can still use that cap space for other things or in other years. Cutting him opens up a lot of future cap space and we're going to be in position of needing that money to retain some players on defense next year. Hell we still need to lock up Dez long term.

Couldn't we cut him next year to free up the cap space when we actually need it? What advantage does it give us this year? The disadvantage is obvious. I think I remember reading that signing Dez long term actually would free up cap space as well. I don't think they would be keeping Carr because they have the cap space. I think they will keep him because Mo Claiborne can't be trusted and the other option is an unproven rookie who won't be as good as Carr at this point. I don't see Carr taking a pay cut and I don't see a scenario where we are better off cutting him regardless of any pay cuts.

 

[RandyOh]

Heres to hoping he gives us an amazing season and causes philly or the skins to sign him to a big contract. then he can revert back to the Mo we all know and hate.

 

[jrumann59]

If he doesn't take a pay cut, I don't see any way around it.

No way the Cowboys pay him 8 million in base salary this year. I was stunned they didn't have him take a pay cut last year.

Actually with Claiborne laid up, behind Carr is patmon and whole lot of unknowns, yes Jones could be good but I doubt he shows enough for them to make that decision. Is Carr pro bowler, no, but he has the leverage because he knows that Claiborne is fragile and after that... This may be one of those suck it up this year and see what comes of it next.

 

[Section446]

He's pretty much a dead man walking.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Do you see Dallas cutting Carr if he won't take a pay cut?
I don't see any way they will cut him when they have the cap space available. He is a starter in this league.

They wont. He called there bluff and won IMO. I dont think Free had much of a market when they threatened to cut him. Carr can get 7-8 million per somewhere

 

[darthseinfeld]

Maybe more

 

[yimyammer]

11 mil for transition tag money to pick up Claiborne fifth year option....that's Ouch ! There should be alot of good free agent to play for 11 mil !

isn't today the deadline to take that option?

 

[TwoCentPlain]

OK- let me be blunt. I severely question his desire to be great. Point blank. How do you refute?

I think he wants to be great and puts the effort in but he just doesn't have the ability to rise to the top. Plus, this is probably not the right scheme for him. His ceiling here is mediocrity. He needs a change of scenery and a place where the expectations and pressure are minimal. I also think he needs to hit rock bottom by getting released by the Cowboys before he will begin the climb up. A good dose of humble pie would do him good.

 

[RS12]

The interesting case of Morris Claiborne

I think the wild catter has already determined the hole is dry.

 

[Galian Beast]

Actually with Claiborne laid up, behind Carr is patmon and whole lot of unknowns, yes Jones could be good but I doubt he shows enough for them to make that decision. Is Carr pro bowler, no, but he has the leverage because he knows that Claiborne is fragile and after that... This may be one of those suck it up this year and see what comes of it next.

Again, I don't think they were asking just to ask. You ask a player to take a pay cut, and he doesn't, you don't just walk away and say, well I guess that is that. That is only something you ask when you are prepared to cut a player.

 

[Galian Beast]

Couldn't we cut him next year to free up the cap space when we actually need it? What advantage does it give us this year? The disadvantage is obvious. I think I remember reading that signing Dez long term actually would free up cap space as well. I don't think they would be keeping Carr because they have the cap space. I think they will keep him because Mo Claiborne can't be trusted and the other option is an unproven rookie who won't be as good as Carr at this point. I don't see Carr taking a pay cut and I don't see a scenario where we are better off cutting him regardless of any pay cuts.

Again, the cap space doesn't exist within a bubble. We always need cap space, whether we use it or not. Unused cap space moves to the next year. Imagine it like a rollover data plan. You don't just use the data just to use it. If a player isn't worth 8 million dollars, you don't pay him 8 million dollars. It's as simple as that. That is money that can be used on Dez Bryant or on Rolando McClain or on Hardy.

 

[Corso]

I think he wants to be great and puts the effort in but he just doesn't have the ability to rise to the top. Plus, this is probably not the right scheme for him. His ceiling here is mediocrity. He needs a change of scenery and a place where the expectations and pressure are minimal. I also think he needs to hit rock bottom by getting released by the Cowboys before he will begin the climb up. A good dose of humble pie would do him good.

I can dig it. I would like to hear from a coach or a player that he's in that film room doing his thing. Learning his enemy. I have not once heard that. Not that he's done anything that goes above and beyond to prove that he belongs and is here to stay. Like a Sean Lee. Like anyone that shows true and real dedication to his craft. Just some camp battles with Dez that really has no choice but to do. That's all I've seen and read.

 

[Galian Beast]

They wont. He called there bluff and won IMO. I dont think Free had much of a market when they threatened to cut him. Carr can get 7-8 million per somewhere

No one is going to pay Carr 7-8 million... He is looking at between 2-4 million dollars per year on the open market.

Brandon Browner just got 5 million a year after a great year with the Patriots.

 

[jrumann59]

Again, I don't think they were asking just to ask. You ask a player to take a pay cut, and he doesn't, you don't just walk away and say, well I guess that is that. That is only something you ask when you are prepared to cut a player.

I agree but I think they played the card too soon, because they were expecting to sign a FA or re-sign Moore.

 

[Galian Beast]

I agree but I think they played the card too soon, because they were expecting to sign a FA or re-sign Moore.

They made no effort to resign Moore and instead signed Corey Moore for the same money.

 

[superonyx]

Again, the cap space doesn't exist within a bubble. We always need cap space, whether we use it or not. Unused cap space moves to the next year. Imagine it like a rollover data plan. You don't just use the data just to use it. If a player isn't worth 8 million dollars, you don't pay him 8 million dollars. It's as simple as that. That is money that can be used on Dez Bryant or on Rolando McClain or on Hardy.

I understand unused cap space moves over to the next year. I don't understand why we would restructure Romo to free up cap space if we were going to cut Carr. We keep kicking the can down the road on Romos contracts so we have cap space to sign Hardy, McClain, and the rookies. If they were cutting Carr then why bother.

More importantly though is the fact that Carr is a pretty good player. He is the second best corner we have. I just can't see how we are better as a team by cutting a starting corner with no way to replace him at this point. Carr would get snatched up quickly.

 

[Galian Beast]

I understand unused cap space moves over to the next year. I don't understand why we would restructure Romo to free up cap space if we were going to cut Carr. We keep kicking the can down the road on Romos contracts so we have cap space to sign Hardy, McClain, and the rookies. If they were cutting Carr then why bother.

More importantly though is the fact that Carr is a pretty good player. He is the second best corner we have. I just can't see how we are better as a team by cutting a starting corner with no way to replace him at this point. Carr would get snatched up quickly.

Restructuring Romo gives us flexibility to do what we want with the cap, it costs us nothing to do it. Worst case scenario we don't use the money and it carries over to next year anyway. We've restructured Romo well within the confines of his contract length, and have a very healthy cap moving forward.

Carr might get snatched up quickly, but he and the Cowboys both know what his market value is and that is probably 2-4 million a year. If he takes the appropriate cut, this could be a very good place for him with the increased pass rush. My guess is they would want to redo his contract for something along the lines of two years 8 or 9 million dollars.