The Jason Garrett Play Calling Thread *Merged*

[ethiostar]

Ok, i have a silly question that i've been wanting to ask for a little while now. I don't visit the board as much as i would like so..............

What is Tecmo? and more specifically, why do posters use the term to refer to JG?

 

[skinsscalper]

Ok, i have a silly question that i've been wanting to ask for a little while now. I don't visit the board as much as i would like so..............

What is Tecmo? and more specifically, why do posters use the term to refer to JG?

Tecmo was a football video game for one of the game consoles (I want to say Nintendo, but I'm not sure).

The gist of the insult is that the game had very few play calls and the game was very predictable.

Anyone feel free to correct me if I've misinterpreted.

 

[Kevinicus]

People, just look at the play by play and stop sounding stupid. Anyone who believes we abandoned the run prior to 17-0 is foolish.

 

[chinch]

this thread, like just a coach, is a WASTE OF TIME.

jason is an inept OC and if he's our next coach we're FUBAR.

This thread and the Bob Sturm thread are conspicuously silent.

Somehow the football geniuses that were explaining away Garrett's incompetence yesterday are nowhere to be found in threads that counter the ridiculous claims that it's "not Garrett's fault" or "we HAD to abandon the run".

Obviously Gryphon and Bob Sturm "weren't watching the same game they were" this weekend.

 

[Kevinicus]

Pass
Pass
Run
Pass
Run
Pass - Sack

Run
Pass
Run
Run
Pass

Run
2nd Qtr.
Pass - Sack
Pass

Pass
Run
Run

Pass (fumble)

Last drive before Halftime:
Pass - Sack
Pass
Pass

3Q
Run
Pass - Sack
Pass

Pass
Run
Fumbled Snap
Pass
Pass

4th Qt.
Pass
Run
Pass - Sack/Fumble

17-0.

29 consecutive passing plays called from this point on.

So when did the abandon the run prior to 17-0???

Again, only 30 plays prior to Romo's fumble and being down 17-0. They didn't even have time to abandon the run.

 

[skinsscalper]

Pass
Pass
Run
Pass
Run
Pass - Sack

Run
Pass
Run
Run
Pass

Run
2nd Qtr.
Pass - Sack
Pass

Pass
Run
Run

Pass (fumble)

Last drive before Halftime:
Pass - Sack
Pass
Pass

3Q
Run
Pass - Sack
Pass

Pass
Run
Fumbled Snap
Pass
Pass

4th Qt.
Pass
Run
Pass - Sack/Fumble

17-0.

29 consecutive passing plays called from this point on.

So when did the abandon the run prior to 17-0???

Again, only 30 plays prior to Romo's fumble and being down 17-0. They didn't even have time to abandon the run.

Pretty neat breakdown of the play by play, but doesn't even begin to tell the story.

Simply put, football is a game of matchups. You set your offense up through formation or motion to create mismatches and/or confusion on the defensive side of the ball. Now that that's been established, we'll move on.

You've gone series by series and called "pass play", "running play". Super. Unfortunately it tells just about zero of the story. There's more to "establishing your running game" than just your YPC. One of the main reasons to establish a running game (which we had done by the time Garrett decided to panic) is to be able to line up in running formations and have the defense guess "Is it a running play, or a passing play?" We've all heard of the play action pass and why it's effective. The only time it IS effective is when you tell the defense (through your play calling) that "there is a good chance we will run out of this formation". It has just as much to do with with "setting the defense up" as it does gaining yards.

Garrett abandoning the running game had as much to do with the formations he was passing out of as it did the actual number of rushing attempts itself. Garrett almost COMPLETELY abandoned our base offensive formation way too early in the game. He instead went to a shotgun formation that took all the guess work for the defense out of the equation. It's not even HOW MUCH he was passing as it was HOW he was passing. That is bush league. There's a reason Garrett has the "Tecmo" tag. It's because that **** only works in video games.

Once Garrett stopped setting the offense in it's base power formations and ran them out in 3 WR shotgun formations, the defense teed off on Romo knowing that the run was no longer a threat. Garrett, through play calling alone, did half of the defenses work for them. There's not a series by series breakdown of run/pass on the planet that can explain that away and come out looking like it had a modicum of credibility.

 

[Idgit]

Pretty neat breakdown of the play by play, but doesn't even begin to tell the story.

Simply put, football is a game of matchups. You set your offense up through formation or motion to create mismatches and/or confusion on the defensive side of the ball. Now that that's been established, we'll move on.

You've gone series by series and called "pass play", "running play". Super. Unfortunately it tells just about zero of the story. There's more to "establishing your running game" than just your YPC. One of the main reasons to establish a running game (which we had done by the time Garrett decided to panic) is to be able to line up in running formations and have the defense guess "Is it a running play, or a passing play?" We've all heard of the play action pass and why it's effective. The only time it IS effective is when you tell the defense (through your play calling) that "there is a good chance we will run out of this formation". It has just as much to do with with "setting the defense up" as it does gaining yards.

Garrett abandoning the running game had as much to do with the formations he was passing out of as it did the actual number of rushing attempts itself. Garrett almost COMPLETELY abandoned our base offensive formation way too early in the game. He instead went to a shotgun formation that took all the guess work for the defense out of the equation. It's not even HOW MUCH he was passing as it was HOW he was passing. That is bush league. There's a reason Garrett has the "Tecmo" tag. It's because that **** only works in video games.

Once Garrett stopped setting the offense in it's base power formations and ran them out in 3 WR shotgun formations, the defense teed off on Romo knowing that the run was no longer a threat. Garrett, through play calling alone, did half of the defenses work for them. There's not a series by series breakdown of run/pass on the planet that can explain that away and come out looking like it had a modicum of credibility.

Nice story, if it were remotely true.

All of this debate boils down to 'could' we have run instead of passing in the third quarter and early fourth before the game was out of reach and we had to resort to just the pass. Yes, of course, we could have attempted to run it more. Would that have worked, given the condition of the line, the fact that we were running against a 3-4 that's tied for third in the league for yards rushing/att, and the fact that our two best backs were clearly not playing healthy? It might have. We might have picked up some more carries in what amounts to a bit more than a quarter of play before the game was out of reach. One thing's for sure, it's easy to insist it would have worked after the fact.

What we do know is that the league's 24th-ranked defense in terms of yards passing/att was vulnerable had we been able to execute better. Missed blocking assignments, overthrows/miscommunications to wide open receivers behind the defense, poor ball security, and bad play calls and execution on the goal line lost this game for us. It's pretty apparent for anyone to see. I don't understand why everyone has to go after the OC when it's so obvious that the offensive execution was bad on Sunday.

I'm not particularly a Garrett supporter. I like him and think he's a good coordinator, but he's got a lot of learning to do still. I sense there's an underlying philosophical disagreement between him and the HC, and he does victimize himself with bad play calls from time to time--especially in the red zone. He's far from perfect, but he's got a good offensive mind, his players like him and he wins a lot more than he loses with a group of suspect WR this entire board was railing at for the entire offseason. You'd think we'd be naturally inclined to support the guy rather than trying to ride him out of town as if he were another Bruce Read.

 

[ethiostar]

Tecmo was a football video game for one of the game consoles (I want to say Nintendo, but I'm not sure).

The gist of the insult is that the game had very few play calls and the game was very predictable.

Anyone feel free to correct me if I've misinterpreted.

Thanks skins.

 

[Idgit]

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2009/11/17/1161399/night-of-the-living-dread-the

A link to a Vela article on the topic.

 

[jobberone]

Perhaps you did. I don't normally pay attention to your posts. But it's not a weak rebuttal to say what the OC was calling turned out to be bad because of execution and not play calling. The evidence that the execution was bad is irrefutable.

If you want to say that the adjustments he made to the shotgun were poor adjustments, that's another topic, but then you do have to take into account the fact that the left side of the line was out with two sprains and a balky knee and that the RT had been replaced, and we were down by at least two scores. There's a reason we changed up the game plan, and it's not a given that we did it because the OC got spooked.

Did you overlook the part where MB carried the ball once after the first quarter? Or that we barely broke double digit running plays in an entire game? Which was 3-0 in the 4th quarter?? Or are you just ignoring that?

Of course they played poorly. It was a cluster**** all around.

And when your OL fails esp if there are replacements and hurt players in the game already, you don't call more pass plays that aren't screens instead of less. When you're not picking up the blitz what do you do? Keep doing the same thing and expect different results?

 

[Rampage]

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2009/11/17/1161399/night-of-the-living-dread-the

A link to a Vela article on the topic.

ah you post the one article that doesn't blame Garrett. that's cute

 

[BourbonBalz]

why is it so hard for some people to understand that?

Either they know too little about real football, or they're going to take up for Garrett's pathetic play calling come hell or high water. Take your pick.

 

[Idgit]

ah you post the one article that doesn't blame Garrett. that's cute

The article has content. Feel free to disagree with it, but it's directly relevant to the thread.

I'm not defending the OC, I'm criticizing the offensive execution. Part of that's on Garrett anyway, since its part of his job description. Why is it so hard to grasp that it doesn't matter what plays are called if the players don't execute?

 

[Rampage]

The article has content. Feel free to disagree with it, but it's directly relevant to the thread.

I'm not defending the OC, I'm criticizing the offensive execution. Part of that's on Garrett anyway, since its part of his job description. Why is it so hard to grasp that it doesn't matter what plays are called if the players don't execute?

cause he's not putting them in the best situations to succeed

 

[BourbonBalz]

The BIGGEST problem I see with our offense is we too often let opposing defenses dictate what we do. I realize you have to make ingame adjustments, but what I mean is we rarely ever impose our will on defenses. We allow them to do it to us far too often. Sometimes you just have to go out and smack the defense around. Our playcalling rarely allows that. We did it early in the season, but we've abandoned it. I'll say it again. Garrett doesn't have the stomach or the patience to stick with the running game when it doesn't work early. He just can't do it. There's too many examples over the past 3 years. Another thing that makes me question Garrett and even Wade. IF we aren't running the ball because Barber and Felix are nicked up, then why in the hell is Choice not carrying the ball. He's already proven he can carry the load. We're allowing our deepest position on the team to sit on the bench and not factor into our gameplan. Not acceptable.

 

[EPL0c0]

Pretty neat breakdown of the play by play, but doesn't even begin to tell the story.

Simply put, football is a game of matchups. You set your offense up through formation or motion to create mismatches and/or confusion on the defensive side of the ball. Now that that's been established, we'll move on.

You've gone series by series and called "pass play", "running play". Super. Unfortunately it tells just about zero of the story. There's more to "establishing your running game" than just your YPC. One of the main reasons to establish a running game (which we had done by the time Garrett decided to panic) is to be able to line up in running formations and have the defense guess "Is it a running play, or a passing play?" We've all heard of the play action pass and why it's effective. The only time it IS effective is when you tell the defense (through your play calling) that "there is a good chance we will run out of this formation". It has just as much to do with with "setting the defense up" as it does gaining yards.

Garrett abandoning the running game had as much to do with the formations he was passing out of as it did the actual number of rushing attempts itself. Garrett almost COMPLETELY abandoned our base offensive formation way too early in the game. He instead went to a shotgun formation that took all the guess work for the defense out of the equation. It's not even HOW MUCH he was passing as it was HOW he was passing. That is bush league. There's a reason Garrett has the "Tecmo" tag. It's because that **** only works in video games.

Once Garrett stopped setting the offense in it's base power formations and ran them out in 3 WR shotgun formations, the defense teed off on Romo knowing that the run was no longer a threat. Garrett, through play calling alone, did half of the defenses work for them. There's not a series by series breakdown of run/pass on the planet that can explain that away and come out looking like it had a modicum of credibility.

Neither Barber, Choice nor Jones had back to back carries. Of course w/ only 5 carries for Barber and 3 each for Choice/Jones, getting any kind of rhythem/momentum going is tough.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

For the record, Jason Garrett has one of the top-rated offenses in the NFL.
He has had success at Princeton (no small feat), success as a backup QB for the most glamourus teams in the universe (no small feat) and had a dream job (well, to me it seems like a dream job). And he will likely be HC here if Jerra plays his cards right or somewhere else if someone there plays his cards right.
Beyond that, seeing all these armchair gymnastics, well it approaches satire of the highest order about the know-it all fans.
For you hatahs of JG, you will hate seeing him for the next five or so years.

 

[Kevinicus]

Pretty neat breakdown of the play by play, but doesn't even begin to tell the story.

Simply put, football is a game of matchups. You set your offense up through formation or motion to create mismatches and/or confusion on the defensive side of the ball. Now that that's been established, we'll move on.

You've gone series by series and called "pass play", "running play". Super. Unfortunately it tells just about zero of the story. There's more to "establishing your running game" than just your YPC. One of the main reasons to establish a running game (which we had done by the time Garrett decided to panic) is to be able to line up in running formations and have the defense guess "Is it a running play, or a passing play?" We've all heard of the play action pass and why it's effective. The only time it IS effective is when you tell the defense (through your play calling) that "there is a good chance we will run out of this formation". It has just as much to do with with "setting the defense up" as it does gaining yards.

Garrett abandoning the running game had as much to do with the formations he was passing out of as it did the actual number of rushing attempts itself. Garrett almost COMPLETELY abandoned our base offensive formation way too early in the game. He instead went to a shotgun formation that took all the guess work for the defense out of the equation. It's not even HOW MUCH he was passing as it was HOW he was passing. That is bush league. There's a reason Garrett has the "Tecmo" tag. It's because that **** only works in video games.

Once Garrett stopped setting the offense in it's base power formations and ran them out in 3 WR shotgun formations, the defense teed off on Romo knowing that the run was no longer a threat. Garrett, through play calling alone, did half of the defenses work for them. There's not a series by series breakdown of run/pass on the planet that can explain that away and come out looking like it had a modicum of credibility.

You're right it doesn't tell the whole story. In fact if you look at the full play-by-play and look at the situation of each play you realize that a lot of those pass plays very well could have been running plays if the down and distance situation wasn't so poor.

Fact is it is extremely stupid to complain about the # of rushing attempts when you go 3-and-out over and over and over while the run is being mixed in all the while.