The Kellen Moore Curl offense

[SultanOfSix]

Dak was under pressure but I see two receivers open so I don’t see what’s wrong with this play call and why it’s being used as an example.

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

Dak being under pressure is an indication of slow developing plays ?

 

[SultanOfSix]

As I mentioned before, I've been complaining about this play for like 12 years. Here is Dak's play where it almost got intercepted and Romo's play where he did get intercepted on the same play vs GB in 2013. This was that infamous "Matt Flynn" game where we had a huge lead only to lose due to turnovers.

Look at where Shultz is and the defender guarding him. Witt is in the same spot in the middle. This play has been around and sucking for a long time.

Romo vs GB in 2013 where he was intercepted trying for a game winning drive.

I went back and watched the Romo play. It seems like there was a miscommunication there. Romo expected Beasley to keeping running the route to the sideline (to stop the clock I presume), but Beasley sat in the zone.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

i deeply dislike KM straight up....please cowboys get killer OC to go with our killer DC

No killer OC is going to fix Dak's accuracy and lack of processing skills.

 

[Wezsh0T]

This isn't a Dak excuse thread. Don't come in here trying to defend Kellen Moore by just blaming Dak. This offense sucks and is a problem.





Outside the numbers was open ALL game. Kellen didn't ADJUST at all.

I think it's because Dak hasn't been good making that outside the numbers throw. I think at least half of his INTs are on those type of throws. No confidence Dak can consistently make that happen.

 

[TheFinisher]

You can't be serious, so u guess it's to crazy for you to see they don't go up 3-0 with the first pick and maybe we are 13-6 or 9-6 up at halftime instead of down 9-6 with them having momentum at home....lmao whatever

Yeah the first one gives them the ball at our 20. Handing them 3.

The second one was worse. Took at least 3 points away from us AND gave them an extra possession they shouldn’t have had before the end of the half for another 3.

There was at least a 9 point swing on the INTs, potentially as much as 13 if we score a TD before the half.

Difference between being up 2 scores at halftime vs. down 9-6. Would have been up 13-3 or 9-3 and you like our chances with the way the defense was playing. Niners put together 1 drive all game, the kittle drive.

Shame, the defense deserved to win that game. They knew they had to outplay the Niners defense and they did.

 

[Loso86]

Yeah the first one gives them the ball at our 20. Handing them 3.

The second one was worse. Took at least 3 points away from us AND gave them an extra possession they shouldn’t have had before the end of the half for another 3.

There was at least a 9 point swing on the INTs, potentially as much as 13 if we score a TD before the half.

Difference between being up 2 scores at halftime vs. down 9-6. Would have been up 13-3 or 9-3 and you like our chances with the way the defense was playing. Niners put together 1 drive all game, the kittle drive.

Shame, the defense deserved to win that game. They knew they had to outplay the Niners defense and they did.

I 100% agree, but unfortunately we have some not so football bright fans who can't see that!

 

[CowboyRoy]

The offense has actually regressed since 2019, when Moore first took the job:

2nd DVOA...2019 [6th in ppg]...Prescott QBR = 71.9 [4th]
6th DVOA...2021 [1st in ppg] QBR = 60.5 [11th]
15th DVOA...2022 [4th in ppg] QBR = 57.9 [12th]

The 2019 offense was more impressive, especially since the defense has been leading the league in takeaways the last two years, making the offense look better than it actually is. As you can see Prescott himself has regressed since 2019. His rookie year remains as his best QBR performance [77.6].

Not when Dak alone is qb.

 

[Zman5]

I went back and watched the Romo play. It seems like there was a miscommunication there. Romo expected Beasley to keeping running the route to the sideline (to stop the clock I presume), but Beasley sat in the zone.

Yep. Miscommunication between the QB and the WR. Sound familiar? How many times have we heard that this year and even during Romo years?
Romo was a seasoned vet in 2015 yet he got picked 3 times vs Carolina. He also got whacked waiting for a WR get open and broke his shoulder for the 2nd time that season.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Yep. Miscommunication between the QB and the WR. Sound familiar? How many times have we heard that this year and even during Romo years?
Romo was a seasoned vet in 2015 yet he got picked 3 times vs Carolina. He also got whacked waiting for a WR get open and broke his shoulder for the 2nd time that season.

It depends on whether it is actually miscommunication or not. Payton Manning has gotten picked off six times in one game. Tom Brady has been picked off four times in multiple games. People can look at games in context and understand what is on the QB and what is not, as well as which QBs are better. I went back and watched the 2009 divisional playoff game. The game was actually pretty close in the first half with Romo moving the ball pretty well. The difference was missed points on the board (two field goals) that would be kept it closer 17-9 into the third quarter, and the ability of the pass rush to get to Romo when it mattered which became worse in the second half once the score became 20-3. There was literally jailbreaks that Romo escaped with his evading ability on the line in addition to to the six sacks he suffered. I doubt any QB would’ve been able to win under those conditions.

 

[LatinMind]

Crazy because just last week, this offense looked amazing

Well there's always another team on the other side. Some better, some worse.

 

[Zman5]

It depends on whether it is actually miscommunication or not. Payton Manning has gotten picked off six times in one game. Tom Brady has been picked off four times in multiple games. People can look at games in context and understand what is on the QB and what is not, as well as which QBs are better. I went back and watched the 2009 divisional playoff game. The game was actually pretty close in the first half with Romo moving the ball pretty well. The difference was missed points on the board (two field goals) that would be kept it closer 17-9 into the third quarter, and the ability of the pass rush to get to Romo when it mattered which became worse in the second half once the score became 20-3. There was literally jailbreaks that Romo escaped with his evading ability on the line in addition to to the six sacks he suffered. I doubt any QB would’ve been able to win under those conditions.

Unless you were on the team, you won't know for sure, but you can take an educated guess base on what happened. The same way you thought it was a miscommunication between Beasley and Romo. Every QB has bad games but if multiple QBs (Romo, Dak, etc.) has similar problems over and over again on similar plays, you need to realize it must be more than just the QB play.

The playoff run in 2009 was similar to this year. The offense rolled Philly at home only to be shut down vs Vikings. And I disagree that making the FGs in the first half would have made a big difference. I remember Columbo getting beat over and over again vs Edwards from the beginning of the game. Even when the game was close. Romo fumbled twice in the first half, and one was a strip fumble by Edwards. Romo didn't look comfortable in that game from the start. JG trotted out Columbo who didn't play for like two months prior due to injury which was dumb since Free played well filling in.

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

No killer OC is going to fix Dak's accuracy and lack of processing skills.

I doubt that .

 

[GORICO]

No killer OC is going to fix Dak's accuracy and lack of processing skills.

first of all.....always love the honeybadger....one tough cookie....and what you said is true....but have you noticed the drop off since Dak had Amari Cooper and post Amari?.....huge drop off

 

[zenmastersauce]

Agreed. I think if the FO is committed to Dak, it’s time to make a change at OC.

Yup
And if it turns out we are moving on then so be it or if he takes less next time around after not providing further enhancement so be it. But everything deserves proper hashing out. We are almost a point with Dak and final hashing. Zeke as well. McCarthy will get to that point as well. KM though, he has reached his and rightly has not been renewed.

 

[kskboys]

Thing is, two of those curls are open. Dak just has zero ability to anticipate and their is no timing coordination between his drops, the WR breaks, and his release.

It’s not just Dak. It’s not just Moore. It’s not just the OL. It’s not just (insert name or positions group). It’s the entire design, timing, scheme, and execution. That’s why sometimes it runs like a well oiled machine. They’re all on the same page every once in a while. Then, sometimes, they entire thing breaks down because no one is on the same page.

To me, that all screams head coaching. The head coach is the one who has to make sure everyone is on the same page and understands the expectations. When there are constant hiccups and brain farts and blunders and poor execution, that’s the head coach.

That's what I saw. Two open guys.