The madness of King Jerry (some things never change)

[needforspeed]

Love how you act like anyone who does not agree with you, is a moron.

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[needforspeed]

I really think Bach realy loves him some Jerry Jones!

He's just frustrated that he can't be like him...

This from someone who has the maturity level of a 12-year-old. (Throwing rice at metric bike riders and calling it "all good") ROTFLMAO:blind:

 

[SultanOfSix]

Couldn't agree with the OP more. I know lots of delusional fans on here like to conform as blind homers and call out those who have something negative to say but unfortunately, after about 14 years of failed seasons, it's pretty clear that the direction of the franchise has gone south since Jimmy Johnson's departure. Parcells brought it back up and now it's once again back down.

It's hard to go "up" from back to back championships, even though Jerry was proven right that 500 coaches could win a SB with those teams when a Switzer coached team "won" it. Perhaps, if Jimmy decided to choose his linebacker Francis instead of lucking into Emmit Smith, there most likely wouldn't even be a single SB among his mantle. Parcells certainly helped in the organizational department as far as scouting is concerned, but he had a better record with Jones' picked players than his own. So, he brought a 10-6 team down to a 9-7 team with no SB victories, where a non-led Parcells team worked its way to 13-3 season and this year, matched his last victory total of 9-7 the year he left, so I fail to see how it has gone down, or is in shambles now, when almost every NFL scout agrees that the Cowboys have drafted very well in the last two years.

I find it quite ironic that certain people blame Jones for all of the mishaps, but all the victories are a result of the people he hired.

 

[sonnyboy]

The length some of these guys go to defend one of the worst GM's in the league who has done more harm to the team than anything else in the last 15 years is unfathomable.

What's ironic is they accuse me of being obsessed, yet they are even more obsessed over me.

Come to the conclusion you are either a long term troll or totally insane.

If I hated someone as much as you hate Jerry, I'd have to kill them or die trying.

 

[Bach]

Jerry was proven right that 500 coaches could win a SB with those teams when a Switzer coached team "won" it.

But not any of 500 could've gotten them their in the first place.

So what does Jerry do? He turns the most dominant team in the decade, or decades, over to coach #499. Just brilliant.

 

[Bach]

If I hated someone as much as you hate Jerry, I'd have to kill them or die trying.

He has been a great GM the last 15 years, I don't know what I was thinking.

 

[sonnyboy]

He has been a great GM the last 15 years, I don't know what I was thinking.

Not trying to be a jerk or bash you here, just how I and I believe a few others here see this.......

Very difficult to be a Cowboy fan haboring such ill will for Jerry. That in of itself makes little sense.
He's been the Owner/GM for almost 20 years! He is the face of the franchise.

If you truely care for this team as much as I do, you have to be extremely miserable.

I would have to distance myself from the situation and or find another team.

You may not realize this, but when you get to the point you are, it becomes difficult to root for the team.

Not saying he shouldn't or can't be critizied, it's just that you have your heels dug in sooooo deep, I can't see how you can hope for good things for a Jerry Jones led Cowboys team.

Your hate for Jones and love for the Cowboys can't be mutually exclusive. Jones is the Owner and GM of the team. This will not change anytime soon. I'd guess he's just past the mid point of his Cowboy tenure.

Something else to consider. You say that Jones was the worst thing to happen to the Cowboys. This is completely nonsensical.

Jones purchase this team in 1989 at a low point after a slow and painful decline through the 1980's. This franchise was DEAD!

His purchase and the decisions made just after resurrected the franchise. It created a perfect storm with Jones as the low pressure sysytem.

6 straight post-season appearences, 3 Superbowl Titles. One more than the Cowboys had sucured in it's previous 29 seasons!

You can say a lot of things about Jerry Jones, but stating he is the worst thing to happen to the Dallas Cowboys is simply untrue.

 

[Bach]

If you truely care for this team as much as I do, you have to be extremely miserable.
Not saying he shouldn't or can't be critizied, it's just that you have your heels dug in sooooo deep, I can't see how you can hope for good things for a Jerry Jones led Cowboys team.

You don't understand then. Because I know the franchise and team is bigger than one person. I have never had any problem in rooting for the Cowboys to win games and be successful.

But if you truly cared about the team, then you would understand how Jerry has ruined and/or sabotaged their chances of winning by constantly trying to do it "his way".

Something else to consider. You say that Jones was the worst thing to happen to the Cowboys. This is completely nonsensical.

Jones purchase this team in 1989 at a low point after a slow and painful decline through the 1980's. This franchise was DEAD!

6 straight post-season appearences, 3 Superbowl Titles. One more than the Cowboys had sucured in it's previous 29 seasons!

I believe I have stated he's the worst thing that has happened to this team in the last 15 years. He didn't micromanage the staff or make the majority of personnel decisions or was the face of the franchise the first five years he owned it.

 

[Iamtdg]

You don't understand then. Because I know the franchise and team is bigger than one person. I have never had any problem in rooting for the Cowboys to win games and be successful.

But if you truly cared about the team, then you would understand how Jerry has ruined and/or sabotaged their chances of winning by constantly trying to do it "his way".

Spot on.

 

[BigDFan5]

Pot, meet kettle.

Bach and I have agreed exactly once ever, you dont see me pretending he is an idiot.

 

[sonnyboy]

You don't understand then. Because I know the franchise and team is bigger than one person. I have never had any problem in rooting for the Cowboys to win games and be successful.

But if you truly cared about the team, then you would understand how Jerry has ruined and/or sabotaged their chances of winning by constantly trying to do it "his way".





I believe I have stated he's the worst thing that has happened to this team in the last 15 years. He didn't micromanage the staff or make the majority of personnel decisions or was the face of the franchise the first five years he owned it.

But he didn't "happen" to this team 15 years ago. It was 20. And you can't discount the three Lombardy trophies.

You're cherry picking to make your arguement and it's not a fair assesment. You want to only credit the man for what he's done wrong.

It's extremely difficult to win a SB. 32 teams trying each year. Jones' GM track record after our last SB is poor.

He's done a much better job since his hire of Parcell's. This has lead to more talent and more wins. But it hasn't been good enough so far. Guess we'll see how this plays out these next few years.

 

[superpunk]

But he didn't "happen" to this team 15 years ago. It was 20. And you can't discount the three Lombardy trophies.

You're cherry picking to make your arguement and it's not a fair assesment. You want to only credit the man for what he's done wrong.

It's extremely difficult to win a SB. 32 teams trying each year. Jones' GM track record after our last SB is poor.

He's done a much better job since his hire of Parcell's. This has lead to more talent and more wins. But it hasn't been good enough so far. Guess we'll see how this plays out these next few years.

You make some solid points, but allow me to introduce you to "Bach."

You see, when it comes to Jerry, Bach "[FONT=Courier New, Courier, mono]can't be bargained with! He can't be reasoned with! He doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And he absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead!"[/FONT]

 

[Bach]

But he didn't "happen" to this team 15 years ago. It was 20. And you can't discount the three Lombardy trophies.

You're cherry picking to make your arguement and it's not a fair assesment. You want to only credit the man for what he's done wrong.

There's no cherry picking to it. You can revise history if you'd like to, but Jerry didn't start running things totally "his way" until the day he fired Jimmy and hired Barry in March of '94, 15 years ago.

Prior to that Jimmy had full control of his staff and the most say in personnel of any HC in the the Jerry error, er, era. That's a fact.

 

[Bach]

Bach and I have agreed exactly once ever, you dont see me pretending he is an idiot.

You mean you weren't pretending??!!!?? :

 

[BigDFan5]

You mean you weren't pretending??!!!?? :

:laugh2:

 

[Chocolate Lab]

You make some solid points, but allow me to introduce you to "Bach."

You see, when it comes to Jerry, Bach "[FONT=Courier New, Courier, mono]can't be bargained with! He can't be reasoned with! He doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And he absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead!"[/FONT]

:laugh2:

 

[sonnyboy]

You make some solid points, but allow me to introduce you to "Bach."

You see, when it comes to Jerry, Bach "[FONT=Courier New, Courier, mono]can't be bargained with! He can't be reasoned with! He doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And he absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead!"[/FONT]

Or at least until Jerry's dead.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I love how people have pointed out that Jimmy has went on record, more than once, that he was leaving Dallas that offseason, he was even quoted as saying that he'd circled the date that he'd intended to leave the Cowboys, when he first got hired, and it was like a month later than what he actually wound up leaving.

Jimmy never, in his whole coaching career, had really stayed in 1 place more than 5 years but yet he was suddenly going to do it in Dallas?

The guy who was quoted as saying "I go as hard as I can, for as long as I can, but I'm not concerned with doing anything for 29 years."

Bach cracks me up because he tells people to do research but then when they hit him with the fact that Jimmy himself has been quoted with saying he had intended to leave all along and he either ignores it or finds some way to act like it didn't happen.

I've never seen anyone more obsessed with their hatred of another person in my life. I really hope your whole life doesn't revolve around whether the Cowboys win enough, as your obsessions with Jerry Jones seem to indicate.

 

[Bach]

I love how people have pointed out that Jimmy has went on record, more than once, that he was leaving Dallas that offseason, he was even quoted as saying that he'd circled the date that he'd intended to leave the Cowboys, when he first got hired, and it was like a month later than what he actually wound up leaving.

Bach cracks me up because he tells people to do research but then when they hit him with the fact that Jimmy himself has been quoted with saying he had intended to leave all along and he either ignores it or finds some way to act like it didn't happen.

Link?

I find it odd he was going to wait til after the NFL meetings at the end of March, less than a month before the draft to up and leave on his own.

And my problem with Jerry has very little to do with Jimmy leaving. It has to do with what Jerry has done since that time.

I guess next you're going to tell me that the team really hasn't gone over a dozen years without a playoff win.

 

[sonnyboy]

Link?

I find it odd he was going to wait til after the NFL meetings at the end of March, less than a month before the draft to up and leave on his own.

And my problem with Jerry has very little to do with Jimmy leaving. It has to do with what Jerry has done since that time.

I guess next you're going to tell me that the team really hasn't gone over a dozen years without a playoff win.

Can't give you a link, but I'm certain I did hear those extact words from Jimmy's mouth. America's Game, story of the 1993 Cowboys.

Well they did earn a fist round bye in 2007. That's kinda like a playoff win.:laugh2: Just ask Wade.

But seriously. It was a significant accomplishment that in actual fact got us as close to the SB, if not closer than winning a wild card game and having to take on a rested opponent in the 2nd round.

And to be perfectly honest, I wouldn't have looked at a play-off appearence this year and wild card win as anything more than what we did accomplished in 2007.

I was making this arguement after the Giants win when it looked as if we would make the play-offs as a wild card team.
This person wanted us to at least get one play-off win. I felt that wasn't good enough and no real accomplishment.