The "Maybe St. Louis is Dumb" mock

[Sydla]

I saw what he did to three top college teams in 2014. He holds the ball tight, close to his body and is great at blocking, receiving and running the ball.

I'm pretty tired of retread running backs. Maybe that's my bias, but I want a fresh stud.

Miller isn't a retread. And then throw a high ceiling guy in Prosise in the later rounds to go with McFadden and you have a great trio there.

Elliott isn't an insurance policy on Romo. He's not going to go Adrian Peterson on the league and run for 1800 yards with no QB. So I am not sure he's the safety net for Romo.

 

[Sydla]

I actually dread this draft. To see that idiot pass on a franchise QB while in position for one and then most of this board salute him for it will just disgust me.

Well of course you make a pretty big assumption there.

That there is a franchise QB in this draft for the Cowboys to select. I know this is a completely bizarre statement but it is possible that the Cowboys might have a better idea than CowboysZone posters if Wentz or Goff are going to develop into a stud QB.

 

[Risen Star]

true all teams do but I feel like a team with an extra 1st or 2nd rounder is more tempted. With their recent relocation I think it makes sense for them. They simply cannot go into the season with Keemun as their starter. Their 1st ,2nd and 3rd would be tempting(in this draft).

Oh, I expect the Rams to be aggressive should they like these QBs.

But rather than focus on that, I'm focused on the Cowboys and what they need to do. If they only like one of these QBs, meaning they have a true franchise QB grade on only one of them, get on the phone with the Titans and get the deal done. If they like more than one, let those three teams ahead of you know you are interested in dealing up should another team try to leap frog you. Do not lose your QB at any cost.

That's all this first round is about to me. I don't give a rats rear end about trading down and acquiring picks or where the team goes if they don't go QB.

 

[Risen Star]

Well of course you make a pretty big assumption there.

That there is a franchise QB in this draft for the Cowboys to select. I know this is a completely bizarre statement but it is possible that the Cowboys might have a better idea than CowboysZone posters if Wentz or Goff are going to develop into a stud QB.

It's actually a bigger assumption to think out of these three QB prospects they won't have at least one graded that highly.

Yet practically the entire board will buy that once the pick is not made.

And spare me on the homer handbook argument of the team might know better. I've been far more right over the years than those stooges and anybody's that's paid attention knows it. And to be fair, I'm not the only one that can make that claim.

That's the sort of thing you can say when you're a fan of the Patriots or the Steelers or the Packers. With the Cowboys it doesn't fly.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

Oh, I expect the Rams to be aggressive should they like these QBs.

But rather than focus on that, I'm focused on the Cowboys and what they need to do. If they only like one of these QBs, meaning they have a true franchise QB grade on only one of them, get on the phone with the Titans and get the deal done. If they like more than one, let those three teams ahead of you know you are interested in dealing up should another team try to leap frog you. Do not lose your QB at any cost.

That's all this first round is about to me. I don't give a rats rear end about trading down and acquiring picks or where the team goes if they don't go QB.

I respect your thinking . But , Jerry jones is thinking he's going all in with Romo. Romo is his investment he wants to win with Romo .

 

[Sydla]

It's actually a bigger assumption to think out of these three QB prospects they won't have at least one graded that highly.

Yet practically the entire board will buy that once the pick is not made.

And spare me on the homer handbook argument of the team might know better. I've been far more right over the years than those stooges and anybody's that's paid attention knows it. And to be fair, I'm not the only one that can make that claim.

That's the sort of thing you can say when you're a fan of the Patriots or the Steelers or the Packers. With the Cowboys it doesn't fly.

Actually it's not that big of an assumption since many scouts seem to agree that this is a pretty weak QB draft and that the prospects are getting elevated because there's no Winston or Luck or Mariota in this draft and that none of the three even come close to the prospects that Luck or Winston were.

So no, I don't think it's a stretch that the Cowboys or any other NFL team for that matter could look at these three and say to themselves.........."You know what, none of these guys are really Top 5 talents". And honestly, while one can nitpick their free agents pick ups or who they've wasted picks on in the 3rd round, few teams have had the first round draft success in the last 4-5 years that the Cowboys have had.

The kicker will be if we trade up for Wentz and take him like you and other want, some of you will be *****ing 4 years from now how stupid they were for doing that. That's a certainty.

 

[tyke1doe]

Miller isn't a retread. And then throw a high ceiling guy in Prosise in the later rounds to go with McFadden and you have a great trio there.

Elliott isn't an insurance policy on Romo. He's not going to go Adrian Peterson on the league and run for 1800 yards with no QB. So I am not sure he's the safety net for Romo.

Well, I was assuming if EE is starting at tail back then Romo is in the game and is staying healthy by not having to take so many hits.

In that sense, he would be a safety net for Romo.

And it is my opinion if we get Zeke and he starts, he'll rush for over 1,500 yards. Who knows. He might just threaten the 1,800 yard mark. Yes, I believe he's THAT talented.

 

[Risen Star]

Actually it's not that big of an assumption since many scouts seem to agree that this is a pretty weak QB draft and that the prospects are getting elevated because there's no Winston or Luck or Mariota in this draft and that none of the three even come close to the prospects that Luck or Winston were.

So no, I don't think it's a stretch that the Cowboys or any other NFL team for that matter could look at these three and say to themselves.........."You know what, none of these guys are really Top 5 talents".

The kicker will be if we trade up for Wentz and take him like you and other want, some of you will be *****ing 4 years from now how stupid they were for doing that. That's a certainty.

Really?

Okay. Let's go scout by scout. You start off. Show me one that says none of these QBs are worthy of consideration of a top 5 pick and then I'll show you one that says they are. We'll take turns and see who runs out of bullets first.

And, again, spare me. You are an instant evaluating Joe Fan. You can't see five feet in front of your face. You'd enter the war room with a walking stick and dog at your side. If the QB could get on the field tomorrow and play and the need was there you'd be all for it. You'd stop saying things like "many scouts seem to agree this is a pretty weak QB class". A completely hollow statement you threw out there hoping I would buy it. Nobody is saying the QB can't bust. Here's a newsflash for you. All picks can bust. There is not a certainty in any draft at any position. If fear of failure is the barometer, forfeit all your picks.

Do yourself a favor and go back to imagining trade scenarios you find unrealistic that really aren't.

 

[Risen Star]

I respect your thinking . But , Jerry jones is thinking he's going all in with Romo. Romo is his investment he wants to win with Romo .

When I talk draft, I talk what I think they should do. Not what a moron would do.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

When I talk draft, I talk what I think they should do. Not what a moron would do.

Lol !

Like any of the mid tier QB's ? (Rounds 2-4)

 

[Risen Star]

Lol !

Like any of the mid tier QB's ? (Rounds 2-4)

No.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

No.

I think It's going to be a tough draft for a lot of you wanting a QB early. Free agency will tell you if QB @4 is a possibility. If they go out and sign a QB for 3-5million a year to be a backup there's your answer.

 

[Risen Star]

I think It's going to be a tough draft for a lot of you wanting a QB early. Free agency will tell you if QB @4 is a possibility. If they go out and sign a QB for 3-5million a year to be a backup there's your answer.

I'm not under any illusions that they are going to take a QB at 4 or higher. It's the right thing to do and I would never expect Harry and Lloyd to do the right thing. They will act on the QB once they have none. Like a good team builder would.

The only way I'm wrong on this is if all 3 of these QBs bust because if even only 1 becomes a franchise player, that was the guy the Cowboys needed to have. They should have identified that player and obtained him. One way or the other. The value of that trumps anything else they could do with that pick.

 

[Sydla]

Really?

Okay. Let's go scout by scout. You start off. Show me one that says none of these QBs are worthy of consideration of a top 5 pick and then I'll show you one that says they are. We'll take turns and see who runs out of bullets first.

And, again, spare me. You are an instant evaluating Joe Fan. You can't see five feet in front of your face. You'd enter the war room with a walking stick and dog at your side. If the QB could get on the field tomorrow and play and the need was there you'd be all for it. You'd stop saying things like "many scouts seem to agree this is a pretty weak QB class". A completely hollow statement you threw out there hoping I would buy it. Nobody is saying the QB can't bust. Here's a newsflash for you. All picks can bust. There is not a certainty in any draft at any position. If fear of failure is the barometer, forfeit all your picks.

Do yourself a favor and go back to imagining trade scenarios you find unrealistic that really aren't.

Actually, I've said this before. If you stay at 4 you take the BPA. If that's a QB, then you take the QB. If it's not a QB, then you take whatever player you do have rated the highest as this team has other needs too. I don't have one issue with taking a QB at 4 if that's the best guy they see available at that pick.

But thanks for the insults.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

I'm not under any illusions that they are going to take a QB at 4 or higher. It's the right thing to do and I would never expect Harry and Lloyd to do the right thing. They will act on the QB once they have none. Like a good team builder would.

The only way I'm wrong on this is if all 3 of these QBs bust because if even only 1 becomes a franchise player, that was the guy the Cowboys needed to have. They should have identified that player and obtained him. One way or the other. The value of that trumps anything else they could do with that pick.

I personally like Lynch. I think he has the biggest upside. I like the way he moves in the pocket , throws on the run, and he's gritty. He can definitely make all the throws. I wouldn't be dissapointed with him even @4 . But ! We all have our own preference. I've sort of moved past the idea of taking a QB early because of our GM's thought process.

 

[Risen Star]

Actually, I've said this before. If you stay at 4 you take the BPA. If that's a QB, then you take the QB. If it's not a QB, then you take whatever player you do have rated the highest as this team has other needs too. I don't have one issue with taking a QB at 4 if that's the best guy they see available at that pick.

But thanks for the insults.

I would not stay at 4 if my scouting department told me Jared Goff was a franchise QB and there wasn't another in that class. In that case I'd be on the phone with the Titans pronto to get ahead of Cleveland. This is QB we are talking about. We're in a position to get one. Our QB's bones are like pretzels. Now is not the time for patience and hope something drops.

 

[Risen Star]

I personally like Lynch. I think he has the biggest upside. I like the way he moves in the pocket , throws on the run, and he's gritty. He can definitely make all the throws. I wouldn't be dissapointed with him even @4 . But ! We all have our own preference. I've sort of moved past the idea of taking a QB early because of our GM's thought process.

Hey, if you can do that, have at it. I can't. I can't move on to wrong ideas because I know the actual decision maker of this team has cornered the market on them.

I've never been all in on one position or player in the draft before but this situation calls for it considering where we are in the draft, where Romo is in age and health and what kind of QBs are in the first round mix this year. Jack, Bosa, Ramsey, Spence. None of them interest me in any scenario at all and if they come at the price of a franchise QB lost, I will hate that player's existence on this roster like he's Terence Newman reincarnate.

 

[Longboysfan]

Or...
Trade with Rams and gamble.
Cowboys Number 1 pick in first round at number 4.
Cowboys Number pick in the 6th round.
Rams Number 1 pick in the first round at 15.
Rams Number 1 pick next year.
Rams Number pick in the third round this year.
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Cowboys bundle their 2016 pick in the second round with The Rams pick in the 3rd round.
Move back into position 23 - 26 in the first round and get the QB that may have fallen.
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Gamble being the Rams will not have high pick in next years draft and that gives Cowboys the ability to bundle those two picks to get into top of 2017 draft. To get the QB needed if the QB class is seen to be deeper.

 

[tyke1doe]

I'm not under any illusions that they are going to take a QB at 4 or higher. It's the right thing to do and I would never expect Harry and Lloyd to do the right thing. They will act on the QB once they have none. Like a good team builder would.

The only way I'm wrong on this is if all 3 of these QBs bust because if even only 1 becomes a franchise player, that was the guy the Cowboys needed to have. They should have identified that player and obtained him. One way or the other. The value of that trumps anything else they could do with that pick.

 

[Hardline]

With no Hardy, you have to take Spence there. Best pass rusher in the draft.

Elliott is easily one of the most overrated payers in this draft IMO. Not that hes not a good TB. It's because I think people are completely overestimating his effect on a game relative to say signing a guy like Miller.

Elliott is a sure fire impact player . He is not overrated at all.