The Miami vs. Dallas Comparison

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Now that I have your attention, they don't compare. Miami beat only two teams that have better than 8-8 win/loss ratios, New England early in the year when Matt Cassle was still figuring the offense out and the New York Jet's during their end of the year downward spiral. The rest: Chargers, Bills, Broncos, Seahawks, Raiders, Rams, Bills (again), and the Chiefs do not quite measure up to what the Cowboys have faced collectively. Granted, we lossed to the Rams amid our downward spiral with Bad Brad Johnson, but beyond that, we have played and defeated quality teams and lost to even higher quality teams all year.

For those of you who are suddenly worshipping Parcells because of this Miami turn around, please try and remember this is from the same guy who drafted Julius Jones, Bobby Carpenter, etc and brought in such Free Agent washed up jewels as Keyshawn, Eddie George, Vinnie Turnover Testiverde, Bledsoe, etc. and was the orchestrator of an offense that despite having T.O. ran the ball three downs in role to drain the clock with a 7 point lead in the 3rd quarter. This is the same guy who refused to give Romo a chance despite the brilliance he routinely desplayed in the preseason. Yes, that's the same guy. Honestly, as much as it pains me to say this in the wake of the Sunday travisty, I would take Wade over Parcells any day. In fact, I would prefer Jason Garrett's entire family ran the Cowboys organization, with JG as HC and his dad as the defensive coordinator before I took Parcells back. That is how much I loath that man as a coach. Sure, he made a few good decisions in putting a team together, but beyond that, he was crap.
 

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The Dolphins were 1-15 last year.

What they did this was truely remarkable, should be lauded and give hope to other teams that suffer as they did last year.

They also played with alot more heart than the Dallas Cowboys did.

Period.
 

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Maikeru-sama;2544318 said:
The Dolphins were 1-15 last year.

What they did this was truely remarkable, should be lauded and give hope to other teams that suffer as they did last year.

They also played with alot more heart than the Dallas Cowboys did.

Period.

:clap:

And we're we suppose to be an elite team with ... 13 Pro Bowlers and "the most talent in the league?"

Should the team with the "most talent in the league" beat the Ravens, Steelers, Eagles, Giants, Rams, Cardinals and Commanders?

Bottom line is ... Miami is in the playoffs. Dallas is out.

Rationalize all you want. I'm sure most fans, if not all, would gladly trade places with the Dolphins now to see our team play another game.
 

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tyke1doe;2544338 said:
:clap:

And we're we suppose to be an elite team with ... 13 Pro Bowlers and "the most talent in the league?"

Should the team with the "most talent in the league" beat the Ravens, Steelers, Eagles, Giants, Rams, Cardinals and Commanders?

Bottom line is ... Miami is in the playoffs. Dallas is out.

Rationalize all you want. I'm sure most fans, if not all, would gladly trade places with the Dolphins now to see our team play another game.

:hammer:
 

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Dolphins are a team

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Here's a wonderful story about a team that has brought into a team-first concept. Is it any wonder the coaches who are bringing this approach to this team used to coach in Dallas.

The problem with the Cowboys is that they have too many stars, and backups, who think they are stars.

During the season, several players thought about their contracts rather than what was happening on the field.

Two weeks ago I asked Tank Johnson was asked about his future and he said, "I can't wait to get out of here."

In the middle of the season, Ken Hamlin seemed to be more upset with a story written about his stolen rims than what was being said about him and his teammates on the field.

When Anthony Spencer was rehabbing from a hamstring injury, he didn't seem interested to get to the practice field. He walked slowly with his head down and mumbled when he spoke. I asked Spencer about this and he said he didn't like rehab, but understood it was a neccesity.

Then there was Martellus Bennett himself. After Jason Witten said he hoped that Bennett and Tony Curtis would be ready to play because there was a chance he would miss a game with injury, Bennett said he didn't care what Witten said.

When Bennett was asked about when was the last time he talked to Witten, and he said he doesn't. Later in the season, the two did speak. But Witten, one of the toughest guys on the team, wanted to be respected by Bennett.
The rookie wasn't trying to hear it.

Terrell Owens seemed to have more passion about what was said on ESPN than what was being said about him in his own locker room.

Too many stars, not enough playmakers. That's the problem with the Cowboys.

Now, Wade Phillips says he wants to be a New York-tough guy to fix this mess.

Sure.
 

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tyke1doe;2544338 said:
:clap:

And we're we suppose to be an elite team with ... 13 Pro Bowlers and "the most talent in the league?"

Should the team with the "most talent in the league" beat the Ravens, Steelers, Eagles, Giants, Rams, Cardinals and Commanders?

Bottom line is ... Miami is in the playoffs. Dallas is out.

Rationalize all you want. I'm sure most fans, if not all, would gladly trade places with the Dolphins now to see our team play another game.

I give the Dolphins credit they played very well, how good are the dolphins I guess we will find out I'm even pulling for them this weekend. Now with Brady returning next year (more than likely) and having to play a 1st place schedule I think we will know even more about how good Miami really is or not.
 

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Wow.

Culture.

It's going to be hard to change that culture because you have too many "me" guys.

That's why coaches like Parcells purge the locker room when they come in. You've got to get guys who want to play. You've got to get guys who bleed and sleep football.

It appears Dallas doesn't have such guys or not many.
 

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Dolphins are a team

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Here's a wonderful story about a team that has brought into a team-first concept. Is it any wonder the coaches who are bringing this approach to this team used to coach in Dallas.

The problem with the Cowboys is that they have too many stars, and backups, who think they are stars.

During the season, several players thought about their contracts rather than what was happening on the field.

Two weeks ago I asked Tank Johnson was asked about his future and he said, "I can't wait to get out of here."

In the middle of the season, Ken Hamlin seemed to be more upset with a story written about his stolen rims than what was being said about him and his teammates on the field.

When Anthony Spencer was rehabbing from a hamstring injury, he didn't seem interested to get to the practice field. He walked slowly with his head down and mumbled when he spoke. I asked Spencer about this and he said he didn't like rehab, but understood it was a neccesity.

Then there was Martellus Bennett himself. After Jason Witten said he hoped that Bennett and Tony Curtis would be ready to play because there was a chance he would miss a game with injury, Bennett said he didn't care what Witten said.

When Bennett was asked about when was the last time he talked to Witten, and he said he doesn't. Later in the season, the two did speak. But Witten, one of the toughest guys on the team, wanted to be respected by Bennett.
The rookie wasn't trying to hear it.

Terrell Owens seemed to have more passion about what was said on ESPN than what was being said about him in his own locker room.

Too many stars, not enough playmakers. That's the problem with the Cowboys.

Now, Wade Phillips says he wants to be a New York-tough guy to fix this mess.

Sure.

This is the first time I have heard alot of this.

Martellus Bennett gives Jason Witten the cold shoulder? Maybe he thougth Jason Witten was the snitch? Not sure, but Jason Witten has done enough to earn respect, especially from rookies.

Something is wrong with that picture.

Nate Newton said it best, the Cowboys just have way too many CEOs and not enough grunts.

This team is built for Tecmo Bowl not the NFL.
 

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Doomsday101;2544353 said:
I give the Dolphins credit they played very well, how good are the dolphins I guess we will find out I'm even pulling for them this weekend. Now with Brady returning next year (more than likely) and having to play a 1st place schedule I think we will know even more about how good Miami really is or not.

To me, it's not really about how good the Dolphins are this year or next year.

To me, it's about the culture being developed in the organization.

I expect the Dolphins to slump back into the middle of the pack next year because the squad isn't that talented, to be quite honest.

But once you establish the culture, all you have to do is plug in the talent, and your ball club should be consistently in the hunt.

Why do you think the clubs Parcells leaves become among the more consistent ones? Because he leaves his culture. It happened to the Jets, it happened to the Patriots, it happened to the Cowboys.

The problem with the Jets and the Cowboys is that after Parcells left, those organizations didn't hire the type of coach who could sustain that culture.

Once the culture is in place, you've got to hire a coach who can continue the foundation that has been laid. And as he gets more talented/hardworking players, the team will not only get better but be a team that has a lasting impact.
 

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All this Dolphins, Falcons and to a lesser extent the Ravens talk will be gone away next year. Those teams caught the league by surprise this season and it will not happen next year. I look at Mangini with the Jets, Crennel with the Browns, and all of these one year wonders that come back the next year and do absolutely nothing and then are out of job in 2 years. I want to see how these 3 teams handle success and being on top instead of sneaking up on the league. I bet these teams are not playoff teams next year.
 

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tyke1doe;2544364 said:
To me, it's not really about how good the Dolphins are this year or next year.

To me, it's about the culture being developed in the organization.

I expect the Dolphins to slump back into the middle of the pack next year because the squad isn't that talented, to be quite honest.

But once you establish the culture, all you have to do is plug in the talent, and your ball club should be consistently in the hunt.

Why do you think the clubs Parcells leaves become among the more consistent ones? Because he leaves his culture. It happened to the Jets, it happened to the Patriots, it happened to the Cowboys.

The problem with the Jets and the Cowboys is that after Parcells left, those organizations didn't hire the type of coach who could sustain that culture.

Once the culture is in place, you've got to hire a coach who can continue the foundation that has been laid. And as he gets more talented/hardworking players, the team will not only get better but be a team that has a lasting impact.

They played 3 teams who made the playoffs and lost each one. Yes they did a good job and that will help build confidence but look at the schedule they played no one and just as the Saints did after playing a last place schedule the following year did not go so great. If Miami comes out and flops next year people in Maimi will be looking a lot like the people in Dallas today.
 

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Actually, the Cowboys retained the culture of Parcells...

This team was collapsing in December prior to Wade Phillips... And before anybody makes the argument that the team sucked in December prior to Parcells, that can't be sustained. The teams prior to Parcells sucked in all months, including December.
 

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The Dolphins are overachievers and the Boys are underachievers, but it's probably best this way. A team like the Dolphins making the playoffs is good for the league and a team like the Boys trying to just build a big name roster and create headlines for all the wrong reasons and basically being the NFL's version of the Yankees, not even making the playoffs is good for the league.(Maybe not ratingswise)



This season is another reason to help me see why we are so hated.
 

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Maikeru-sama;2544318 said:
The Dolphins were 1-15 last year.

What they did this was truely remarkable, should be lauded and give hope to other teams that suffer as they did last year.

They also played with alot more heart than the Dallas Cowboys did.

Period.
Your serious? Imagine you are a part of a team that went 1-15 last year and suddenly, by way of a cake schedule you start winning - see the Browns of 2007 - ; of a sudden you are a great team, with a great coach. It's as the cliche states, winning cures all. But the point is, they didn't really win against quality teams. They lost to NE (11-5) late in the season when they were playing well, Houston (8-8), Baltimore (11-5) - imagine that - and Arizona (9-7)- anyone suprised there? I'm sorry, I really am not impressed or suprised by their success. Let's see how deep they get into the play-offs and then you can bruise your knees as much as you want for Parcells and company.
 

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bootsy;2544367 said:
All this Dolphins, Falcons and to a lesser extent the Ravens talk will be gone away next year. Those teams caught the league by surprise this season and it will not happen next year. I look at Mangini with the Jets, Crennel with the Browns, and all of these one year wonders that come back the next year and do absolutely nothing and then are out of job in 2 years. I want to see how these 3 teams handle success and being on top instead of sneaking up on the league. I bet these teams are not playoff teams next year.


Actually, the Falcons are different. The reason being, they have Michale Turner who takes a lot of pressure off Matt Ryan. They are a team of balance and run the pro-style offense that will always have success in this league.

The Dolphins squeeked by plenty of weak teams, and their offense was absolutey garbage until David Yee introduced the Wildcat formation that caught some teams off guard. The second time they played the Patriots, which was the game they introduced the formation, the Patriots destroyed them.
 

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I knew something was up, because players were starting to dislike Sparano. That meant he was making them do things they didn't want to do, to get better. I knew right then that we lost a great part of our staff.
 

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Trying to discount what the Dolphins did and beating your chest and saying they won't make the Playoffs next year is nothing but sour grapes.

Who cares what the Dolphins will do next season, they are still alive and trying to make a championship push.

The Cowboys on the other hand, are at home or out partying.

That is the reality we are dealing with today.
 

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Dolphins are a team

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Here's a wonderful story about a team that has brought into a team-first concept. Is it any wonder the coaches who are bringing this approach to this team used to coach in Dallas.

The problem with the Cowboys is that they have too many stars, and backups, who think they are stars.

During the season, several players thought about their contracts rather than what was happening on the field.

Two weeks ago I asked Tank Johnson was asked about his future and he said, "I can't wait to get out of here."

In the middle of the season, Ken Hamlin seemed to be more upset with a story written about his stolen rims than what was being said about him and his teammates on the field.

When Anthony Spencer was rehabbing from a hamstring injury, he didn't seem interested to get to the practice field. He walked slowly with his head down and mumbled when he spoke. I asked Spencer about this and he said he didn't like rehab, but understood it was a neccesity.

Then there was Martellus Bennett himself. After Jason Witten said he hoped that Bennett and Tony Curtis would be ready to play because there was a chance he would miss a game with injury, Bennett said he didn't care what Witten said.

When Bennett was asked about when was the last time he talked to Witten, and he said he doesn't. Later in the season, the two did speak. But Witten, one of the toughest guys on the team, wanted to be respected by Bennett.
The rookie wasn't trying to hear it.

Terrell Owens seemed to have more passion about what was said on ESPN than what was being said about him in his own locker room.

Too many stars, not enough playmakers. That's the problem with the Cowboys.

Now, Wade Phillips says he wants to be a New York-tough guy to fix this mess.

Sure.
I don't think anyone is debating on this thread that the Cowboys have problems...that's already known. I just think using Miami's success as ammunition to praise Parcells is stupid. Insert Miami into Dallas schedule in they might of had 4 more wins than last year. Would you use them as an example of a great team then?
 
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