The Miami vs. Dallas Comparison

[Maikeru-sama]

Your serious? Imagine you are a part of a team that went 1-15 last year and suddenly, by way of a cake schedule you start winning - see the Browns of 2007 - ; of a sudden you are a great team, with a great coach. It's as the cliche states, winning cures all. But the point is, they didn't really win against quality teams. They lost to NE (11-5) late in the season when they were playing well, Houston (8-8), Baltimore (11-5) - imagine that - and Arizona (9-7)- anyone suprised there? I'm sorry, I really am not impressed or suprised by their success. Let's see how deep they get into the play-offs and then you can bruise your knees as much as you want for Parcells and company.

Im dead serious.

When a team goes 1-15 and then goes 11-5, wins their division and gets in the Tournament. That is a HUGE confidence booster and can do wonders for your franchise in general.

Who gives a crap about their schedule? You can only play the guys that the schedule dictates.

If the Cowboys had gone 1-15 last year, went 11-5, won the Division and was in the Playoffs, most of the folks that are bitter would be jumping for joy and would to tar and feather anyone with the audacity to question their season.

Winning in the NFL is hard because it is so difficult to make it to the NFL.

Don't crap on their season just because the Cowboys didn't make the Playoffs. Its petty.

 

[jday]

Trying to discount what the Dolphins did and beating your chest and saying they won't make the Playoffs next year is nothing but sour grapes.

Who cares what the Dolphins will do next season, they are still alive and trying to make a championship push.

The Cowboys on the other hand, are at home or out partying.

That is the reality we are dealing with today.

Please, insert the Cowboys in the division, and put Miami in the NFCE, if you are going to make that argument. Again, there is no comparision. In an experiment in comparing two subjects, their conditions must by identical. In this case, they are not. And personally it seems obvious that the Cowboys conditions (e.g. schedule) was considerably more difficult.

 

[Doomsday101]

Trying to discount what the Dolphins did and beating your chest and saying they won't make the Playoffs next year is nothing but sour grapes.

Who cares what the Dolphins will do next season, they are still alive and trying to make a championship push.

The Cowboys on the other hand, are at home or out partying.

That is the reality we are dealing with today.

It is not sour grapes. I congratulate the Dolphins they made it to post season after a 1-15 season. But I'm not stupid or blind when they faced good teams they lost and played a lot of tight games against some pretty weak teams. The reality it is not just about today posting a good season this year means little if they turn around and flop next year when facing a tougher schedule. Heck I really was more impressed by what the Falcons did to tell the truth but they too will be facing a hard road next season.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Now, Wade Phillips says he wants to be a New York-tough guy to fix this mess.

Wow. Wade NEVER said this. Not once.

In fact, he plainly said that when he talked about changing, his personality was NOT the part he was talking about.

When did it become okay for the media to completely fabricate this kind of thing and act like it's fact?

And sure WG, here's plenty to go around:

Better hurry before Peter King gets wind of it, though.

 

[Doomsday101]

Im dead serious.

When a team goes 1-15 and then goes 11-5, wins their division and gets in the Tournament. That is a HUGE confidence booster and can do wonders for your franchise in general.

Who gives a crap about their schedule? You can only play the guys that the schedule dictates.

If the Cowboys had gone 1-15 last year, went 11-5, won the Division and was in the Playoffs, most of the folks that are bitter would be jumping for joy and would to tar and feather anyone with the audacity to question their season.

Winning in the NFL is hard because it is so difficult to make it to the NFL.

Don't crap on their season just because the Cowboys didn't make the Playoffs. Its petty.

It matters because if they can't match next season or make it to the playoffs then did they really accomplish anything or did they just play an easy schedule? Expectation will be high for them entering next year and they have to live up to it if not then people will consider them nothing but pretenders. For me this has nothing to do with the Cowboys situation but I know that when we made the playoffs and posted a very good year the expectation became even greater and when we did not achieve the expectation we see the fall out

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Please, insert the Cowboys in the division, and put Miami in the NFCE, if you are going to make that argument. Again, there is no comparision. In an experiment in comparing two subjects, their conditions must by identical. In this case, they are not. And personally it seems obvious that the Cowboys conditions (e.g. schedule) was considerably more difficult.

Did you see the Eagles game?

I doubt we would have beaten the lowly Detroit Lions the way we played.

The Cowboys play down to their competition or they are just not that good in the first place.

Regardless, moving the Cowboys to another division absolutely doesn't gurantee that they make the Playoffs.

It may make it more likely, but it doesn't gurantee anything.

Again, you can only play the teams that the schedule dictates.

If the Dolphins are a fraud, they will surely be exposed by somebody eventually.

But then again, what does the Dolphins being exposed or tanking next season have to do with the Dallas Cowboys?

Back in 2003, Cowboys nation was PUMPED that the Cowboys got into the Playoffs and we had every freakin right to be considering how long we had waited to get into the Tournament.

Just because the 2003 Dallas Cowboys had a weak schedule and very little talent doesn't take away what they were able to accomplish.

 

[DFWJC]

Now that I have your attention, they don't compare. Miami beat only two teams that have better than 8-8 win/loss ratios, New England early in the year when Matt Cassle was still figuring the offense out and the New York Jet's during their end of the year downward spiral. The rest: Chargers, Bills, Broncos, Seahawks, Raiders, Rams, Bills (again), and the Chiefs do not quite measure up to what the Cowboys have faced collectively. Granted, we lossed to the Rams amid our downward spiral with Bad Brad Johnson, but beyond that, we have played and defeated quality teams and lost to even higher quality teams all year.

For those of you who are suddenly worshipping Parcells because of this Miami turn around, please try and remember this is from the same guy who drafted Julius Jones, Bobby Carpenter, etc and brought in such Free Agent washed up jewels as Keyshawn, Eddie George, Vinnie Turnover Testiverde, Bledsoe, etc. and was the orchestrator of an offense that despite having T.O. ran the ball three downs in role to drain the clock with a 7 point lead in the 3rd quarter. This is the same guy who refused to give Romo a chance despite the brilliance he routinely desplayed in the preseason. Yes, that's the same guy. Honestly, as much as it pains me to say this in the wake of the Sunday travisty, I would take Wade over Parcells any day. In fact, I would prefer Jason Garrett's entire family ran the Cowboys organization, with JG as HC and his dad as the defensive coordinator before I took Parcells back. That is how much I loath that man as a coach. Sure, he made a few good decisions in putting a team together, but beyond that, he was crap.

Cannot disagree with most of what you said. However, you MUST give Miami (and mostly the players and coaches, but to a lesser degree, Parcells) a ton of credit. Bringing Pennington in was brilliant. Then with the cupcake schedule and some of last year's injured players (R Brown, etc) coming back to pair with the new guys, and that added up to big improvement on paper. They all deserve credit.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

It matters because if they can't match next season or make it to the playoffs then did they really accomplish anything or did they just play an easy schedule? Expectation will be high for them entering next year and they have to live up to it if not then people will consider them nothing but pretenders. For me this has nothing to do with the Cowboys situation but I know that when we made the playoffs and posted a very good year the expectation became even greater and when we did not achieve the expectation we see the fall out

That is not a strong argument.

You can take that to the extreme and say that the other 31 Teams that didn't win the Super Bowl wasted their season and that season did nothing to build upon the future.

Of course expectations are going to high, that is the price for being successful.

Again, why on earth are we talking about next season? The Dolphins are alive and trying to make a Championship run.

What does them possibly tanking next have anything to do with what they did this year.

 

[jday]

Im dead serious.

When a team goes 1-15 and then goes 11-5, wins their division and gets in the Tournament. That is a HUGE confidence booster and can do wonders for your franchise in general.

Who gives a crap about their schedule? You can only play the guys that the schedule dictates.

If the Cowboys had gone 1-15 last year, went 11-5, won the Division and was in the Playoffs, most of the folks that are bitter would be jumping for joy and would to tar and feather anyone with the audacity to question their season.

Winning in the NFL is hard because it is so difficult to make it to the NFL.

Don't crap on their season just because the Cowboys didn't make the Playoffs. Its petty.

Okay, so reading comprehension obviously is not your strong suit. That's okay; you represent about 80% of the general population.

So let me spell my argument out for you: At no time was I "crapping" on Miami. Good for Miami, you are in the playoffs. My issue is with individuals who are trying to compare Miami to Dallas. You see, if the Cowboys were winning, regardless if they were quality wins or not - see the Cowboys of 2007 who just barely squeaked by Buffalo - all these media issues, all the disgruntled players, all these arguments of Wade and J.G. being horrible coaches would be non-existent; in essence, winning cures all. Now, let's say Miami has a horrible season, as opposed to the season they had (and by all rights looking at their schedule, should have had) which makes the entire franchise look like a great team, of a sudden, the acquistion of Parcells would have been a horrible idea, Miami is not a team, etc. etc.

Another example. The New York Giants! Throughout the year, ad nauseam we heard the New York Giants are a great team. Right? And yet, when they subtracted Brandon Jacobs and Plaxico Burress, they looked like a shell of their former self. A great team plays great despite who you subtract. Want more? Eli Manning is up for MVP of the year, but they rank 18th in passing yards and 1st in running yards. What? Really? So, the guy who is really good at taking the snap and handing it to a tank of a runner is the Most Valuable Player in the league. Things that make you go hmmm?!

So in conclusion, just in case you are still confused, go ahead and say Miami is a great team, it's a free country, you can think what you want. But please don't make yourself look like an idiot by saying that Parcells, a coach who lossed more games than he won in his tenure as our coach, is the reason for this turnaround, don't compare Miami season to Dallas' season, because they don't compare, and, lastly, don't say that Miami is a better team as result of their record and because they happen to be in the playoffs, because in reality just because you are the best team in your division, doesn't me you belong in the top 12 in the overall league.

 

[percyhoward]

Once the culture is in place, you've got to hire a coach who can continue the foundation that has been laid.

Jerry got away with not doing this once, and won a Super Bowl.

I'd give that Super Bowl win back, if I could.

 

[DFWJC]

Actually, the Falcons are different. The reason being, they have Michale Turner who takes a lot of pressure off Matt Ryan. They are a team of balance and run the pro-style offense that will always have success in this league.
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Agreed, the Falcons are a much more well-rounded team who suffered last year more because of turmoil than anything.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Okay, so reading comprehension obviously is not your strong suit. That's okay; you represent about 80% of the general population.

So let me spell my argument out for you: At no time was I "crapping" on Miami. Good for Miami, you are in the playoffs. My issue is with individuals who are trying to compare Miami to Dallas. You see, if the Cowboys were winning, regardless if they were quality wins or not - see the Cowboys of 2007 who just barely squeaked by Buffalo - all these media issues, all the disgruntled players, all these arguments of Wade and J.G. being horrible coaches would be non-existent; in essence, winning cures all. Now, let's say Miami has a horrible season, as opposed to the season they had (and by all rights looking at their schedule, should have had) which makes the entire franchise look like a great team.

Another example. The New York Giants! Throughout the year, ad nauseam we heard the New York Giants are a great team. Right? And yet, when they subtracted Brandon Jacobs and Plaxico Burress, they looked like a shell of their former self. A great team plays great despite who you subtract. Want more? Eli Manning is up for MVP of the year, but they rank 18th in passing yards and 1st in running yards. What? Really? So, the guy who is really good at taking the snap and handing it to a tank of a runner is the Most Valuable Player in the league. Things that make you go hmmm?!

So in conclusion, just in case you are still confused, go ahead and say Miami is a great team, it's a free country, you can think what you want. But please don't yourself look like an idiot by saying that Parcells, a coach who lossed more games than he won in his tenure as our coach, is the reason for this turnaround, don't compare Miami season to Dallas' season, because they don't compare, and, lastly, don't say that Miami is a better team as result of their record and because they happen to be in the playoffs, because in reality just because you are the best team in your division, doesn't me you belong in the top 12 in the overall league.

And the personal attacks begin.

The words in bold get to the root of your bitterness.

The fact that you accuse me of saying Miami is a GREAT team is reason enough to not continue with this discussion.

 

[Doomsday101]

That is not a strong argument.

You can take that to the extreme and say that the other 31 Teams that didn't win the Super Bowl wasted their season and that season did nothing to build upon the future.

Of course expectations are going to high, that is the price for being successful.

Again, why on earth are we talking about next season? The Dolphins are alive and trying to make a Championship run.

What does them possibly tanking next have anything to do with what they did this year.

And that is great I hope the best for them but I know when they have faced good teams this year they have lost so it makes me wonder how good are the dolphins. Using them as well to say look what Soprano did and BP did and what team work does sound great but who did you beat? can you repeat or is this just a load of BS based on a easy schedule will people be talking about great team and no me guys on the team or finger pointing if Miami can't live up to the expectation? Right now it appears ”Some” people are using this as a means of saying how crappy Jerry and Wade and Jason are but then we did not play some easy schedule we play in one of the toughest division no excuse for us but Miami still has a lot to prove so yes this is more than just this year

 

[bootsy]

Actually, the Falcons are different. The reason being, they have Michale Turner who takes a lot of pressure off Matt Ryan. They are a team of balance and run the pro-style offense that will always have success in this league.

The Dolphins squeeked by plenty of weak teams, and their offense was absolutey garbage until David Yee introduced the Wildcat formation that caught some teams off guard. The second time they played the Patriots, which was the game they introduced the formation, the Patriots destroyed them.

I don't think the Falcons are different. I like to follow trends when it comes to the NFL and generally when teams come out of nowhere and have seasons like the Falcons or Dolphins they normally fall hard the next season. I will say Atlanta has some talent but so did the Browns last year with Winslow, Edwards, Thomas and failed miserably this year.

 

[wileedog]

Actually, the Cowboys retained the culture of Parcells...

This team was collapsing in December prior to Wade Phillips... And before anybody makes the argument that the team sucked in December prior to Parcells, that can't be sustained. The teams prior to Parcells sucked in all months, including December.

Anectodal records in December are not a "culture."

There is very little that remains in this organization of what Parcells built into it. Most of it left for Miami with him.

 

[DFWJC]

I don't think the Falcons are different. I like to follow trends when it comes to the NFL and generally when teams come out of nowhere and have seasons like the Falcons or Dolphins they normally fall hard the next season. I will say Atlanta has some talent but so did the Browns last year with Winslow, Edwards, Thomas and failed miserably this year.

Both could win a playoff game, but i think the Falcons situation is different. JMO

 

[jday]

And the personal attacks begin.

The words in bold get to the root of your bitterness.

The fact that you accuse me of saying Miami is a GREAT team is reason enough to not continue with this discussion.

Look, I didn't call you an idiot, per se. I merely explained that should you make that comparison, looking like an idiot would be the ultimate result.

Basically, what I'm saying is that the argument of comparing Miami to Dallas is irrational or a fallacy, if you prefer. They don't compare, therefore, you shouldn't use it as ammunition against Jerry Jones, for the lack of Parcells, for the inadequacies of Wade or J.G. or the team ethic of the Dallas Cowboys as a whole. Furthermore, I said, I'm not impressed by what Miami accomplished. Nor am I impressed by the Cardinals for far more obvious reasons. And to be honest, considering the schedule the Cowboys will draw for being 3rd place in the NFCE, I have already began to temper my enthusiasm for next year. For the exception of our interdivisional foes, are schedule will most likely be pretty cake as a result.

Just the same, I'm sorry for being insulting. I've just seen too many comments from people trying to make that comparison, when there really, as I've stated repeatedly already, is none. That teamed with overall dissappointment in how this season ended can lead to some pretty heated responses, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[wileedog]

Wow. Wade NEVER said this. Not once.

In fact, he plainly said that when he talked about changing, his personality was NOT the part he was talking about.

I agree with you, but the problem is Wade hasn't actually defined exactly what he WILL change. "Accountability and.... stuff" is pretty much how he answers that question.

Until he defines it, the media is going to do it for him.

 

[tyke1doe]

Okay, so reading comprehension obviously is not your strong suit. That's okay; you represent about 80% of the general population.

So let me spell my argument out for you: At no time was I "crapping" on Miami. Good for Miami, you are in the playoffs. My issue is with individuals who are trying to compare Miami to Dallas. You see, if the Cowboys were winning, regardless if they were quality wins or not - see the Cowboys of 2007 who just barely squeaked by Buffalo - all these media issues, all the disgruntled players, all these arguments of Wade and J.G. being horrible coaches would be non-existent; in essence, winning cures all. Now, let's say Miami has a horrible season, as opposed to the season they had (and by all rights looking at their schedule, should have had) which makes the entire franchise look like a great team, of a sudden, the acquistion of Parcells would have been a horrible idea, Miami is not a team, etc. etc.

Another example. The New York Giants! Throughout the year, ad nauseam we heard the New York Giants are a great team. Right? And yet, when they subtracted Brandon Jacobs and Plaxico Burress, they looked like a shell of their former self. A great team plays great despite who you subtract. Want more? Eli Manning is up for MVP of the year, but they rank 18th in passing yards and 1st in running yards. What? Really? So, the guy who is really good at taking the snap and handing it to a tank of a runner is the Most Valuable Player in the league. Things that make you go hmmm?!

So in conclusion, just in case you are still confused, go ahead and say Miami is a great team, it's a free country, you can think what you want. But please don't make yourself look like an idiot by saying that Parcells, a coach who lossed more games than he won in his tenure as our coach, is the reason for this turnaround, don't compare Miami season to Dallas' season, because they don't compare, and, lastly, don't say that Miami is a better team as result of their record and because they happen to be in the playoffs, because in reality just because you are the best team in your division, doesn't me you belong in the top 12 in the overall league.

First, why you gotta go there? Why insult people? That starts this thread down a road I don't think you want to go because some people are just as good at tossing out insults.

Second, exactly who compared Dallas to Miami?
I simply noted how good a job Parcells and Sparano did with Miami. So what if they played a weak schedule? What does that matter? They did a good, no, great job with what they were given and what they had to work with.
Some teams can't even do that with a very, very weak schedule.
I think that speaks well for Miami. What the Dolphins do next year or the year after that remains a debate for the future.

Right now, the team is to be commended after going 1-15 last year.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I agree with you, but the problem is Wade hasn't actually defined exactly what he WILL change. "Accountability and.... stuff" is pretty much how he answers that question.

Until he defines it, the media is going to do it for him.

He said this morning that he was talking about practice habits, meetings, some techniques, harsher punishments for mistakes, things like that.

Surely you aren't defending Watkins telling a bold faced lie because Wade didn't define his exact plan to the media, are you? Especially when he specifically said he wasn't talking about his personality?

Wow.