The Mincey Thread

[Alexander]

Seattle used guys like the lumbering Red Bryant at DE, and had success.

No, it's not what I'm use to seeing either.

I'd rather see Lawrence out there for 40 snaps a game and MIncey out there for 20 but it is what it is at the moment.

They also used Bryant a lot differently. They would use that end as the base for the Leo to rush from. Sorry, we are not doing that.

 

[BlindFaith]

If you're just looking at the Cowboys from last season:

Ware had a sack every 108 snaps.
Selvie had a sack every 95 snaps.
Jarius Wynn had a sack eery 140 snaps.
Kyle Wilber (while playing DE) had a sack every 165 snaps.

Last season Mincey had a sack every 117 snaps.

No, I do not consider Mincey to be a good pass rusher. I'd rather see someone else out there on passing downs.

Give me 5 starters from other teams. Dont compare him to the garbage we trotted out there last year and Ware.

You said hes an average pass rusher. You then back tracked. Hes an awful pass rusher and probably the worst starting WDE in the league.

Now if you want to compare him to SDE, as you did with the much bigger and still much better Bryant, then he MAY approach average as a pass rusher but would be far below as a run stopper.

The guy sucks and should go back to Florida to make music with his homeboys. And take his - show up late to practice attitude with him.

 

[BlindFaith]

Seattle used guys like the lumbering Red Bryant at DE, and had success.

No, it's not what I'm use to seeing either.

I'd rather see Lawrence out there for 40 snaps a game and MIncey out there for 20 but it is what it is at the moment.

And why is it what it is? Because our personnel people thought he could be a solid starter here? We couldnt have found anyone else? And who decided to keep Hayden as a starter through this point in camp? Jesus, I mean most of us dont have access to film, practice. None of us have access to meetings. But save for a handful of eternal optimists everyone sees how awful he was last year and how aweful hes been this year.

I dont get it. From the front office down I simply dont get it. I seriously think I could grab 4-5 guys from this board and we could make better personnel moves.

 

[BlindFaith]

Mincemeat?

Thought it had a better ring to it than "worthless piece of shyte"

 

[CCBoy]

Now, where is that non-team player?

The arrival of the 'Turk'...

 

[MichaelWinicki]

They also used Bryant a lot differently. They would use that end as the base for the Leo to rush from. Sorry, we are not doing that.

Let's see how the season unfolds.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Give me 5 starters from other teams. Dont compare him to the garbage we trotted out there last year and Ware.

You said hes an average pass rusher. You then back tracked. Hes an awful pass rusher and probably the worst starting WDE in the league.

Now if you want to compare him to SDE, as you did with the much bigger and still much better Bryant, then he MAY approach average as a pass rusher but would be far below as a run stopper.

The guy sucks and should go back to Florida to make music with his homeboys. And take his - show up late to practice attitude with him.

I presented some information.

I invite you to do the same.

Obviously you don't like the player.

Whatever.

Don't tell me, go tell Jerry.

 

[guag]

Was reading a bit about Jeremy Mincey, and apparently he was given a 4 year, $20 million contract with $9 million in guarantees in 2012.

Apparently, the Jags saw something in him to put down $9 million guaranteed. Granted, he had 8 sacks the previous year, but still... it was his first time totaling more than 5 sacks in a season.

Not sure if the Jags were desparate for DEs and wanted to keep a known quantity around, or whatever. Regardless, that's more than I'd expect a "journeyman" type to command.

Maybe Marinelli can "coach him up", since you know, he can supposedly bring the best out of everyone he comes in contact with

 

[BigStar]

Was reading a bit about Jeremy Mincey, and apparently he was given a 4 year, $20 million contract with $9 million in guarantees in 2012.

Apparently, the Jags saw something in him to put down $9 million guaranteed. Granted, he had 8 sacks the previous year, but still... it was his first time totaling more than 5 sacks in a season.

Not sure if the Jags were desparate for DEs and wanted to keep a known quantity around, or whatever. Regardless, that's more than I'd expect a "journeyman" type to command.

Maybe Marinelli can "coach him up", since you know, he can supposedly bring the best out of everyone he comes in contact with

Thank you brother (what a steal)???TJ Ward...but we have Church, etc. Ward/Wilcox as starters would sound great...

 

[BlindFaith]

Was reading a bit about Jeremy Mincey, and apparently he was given a 4 year, $20 million contract with $9 million in guarantees in 2012.

Apparently, the Jags saw something in him to put down $9 million guaranteed. Granted, he had 8 sacks the previous year, but still... it was his first time totaling more than 5 sacks in a season.

Not sure if the Jags were desparate for DEs and wanted to keep a known quantity around, or whatever. Regardless, that's more than I'd expect a "journeyman" type to command.

Maybe Marinelli can "coach him up", since you know, he can supposedly bring the best out of everyone he comes in contact with

And half way through that contract they cut him. Guaranteed money and all. And he's proceeded to do nothing since except get named a starter and captain here all the while still showing up late to practices and being called out on it by teammates.

 

[CCBoy]

Was reading a bit about Jeremy Mincey, and apparently he was given a 4 year, $20 million contract with $9 million in guarantees in 2012.

Apparently, the Jags saw something in him to put down $9 million guaranteed. Granted, he had 8 sacks the previous year, but still... it was his first time totaling more than 5 sacks in a season.

Not sure if the Jags were desparate for DEs and wanted to keep a known quantity around, or whatever. Regardless, that's more than I'd expect a "journeyman" type to command.

Maybe Marinelli can "coach him up", since you know, he can supposedly bring the best out of everyone he comes in contact with

Seriously, I have to side with your view here. Going strictly on contract prices and production from journeymen, the Cowboys have been hitting on both serviceable age and production improving as well.

I like that prospect here...

 

[guag]

And half way through that contract they cut him. Guaranteed money and all. And he's proceeded to do nothing since except get named a starter and captain here all the while still showing up late to practices and being called out on it by teammates.

Right. But that doesn't change the fact that they did commit to giving him that much money only a couple years ago. Don't misunderstand, I'm not defending Mincey or suggesting he will be good for us or anything. In fact, I was probably one of the first to suggest that Mincey might not even make the team after the mini camps. Just pointing out that contract which I had previously not known about, and thought it was interesting.

 

[KJJ]

What did the Cowboys see in this guy?

The Cowboys didn't see much in Mincey but they're desperate and he was cheap. JAX dumped him last season after week 14 and Denver who needed defensive help picked him up and quickly unloaded him after their defense got hammered in the SB. Mincey has only 5 sacks the last 2 seasons. The Cowboys are hoping with this being his 3rd team since last season he'll step up knowing this could be his last opportunity. Mincey is part of the worst collection of defensive talent I've seen with the Cowboys since Jimmy cleaned house in 89. The Cowboys may set a franchise record this season for fewest sacks in a season.

 

[CCBoy]

I don't know, the organization has committed way too much personnel and expenses to play Russian roulette on personnel at this stage of their four year plan.

The first casualty for Desert Storm was a Drill Sergeant at For Knox, Ky who actually played with a revolver with other NCO's...and lost.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

Hope I won't get too criticized for this comparison, but is Mincey any less explosive off the edge than Greg Ellis was? If Mincey is good against the run he's a good signing. The plan, remember, was to put Demarcus Lawrence at RE on third down with Mincey kicking inside.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Mincey does not have the elite quickness to get away from guys. His game is much more suited for playing the run but it does have its uses against the pass. People act like if its not like Demarcus Ware in Madden where he can make the tackle miss every time then he is a scrub. That is complete BS.

There are about 60 defensive snaps in a football game on running downs his game is just fine on the edge. If it's 3rd and 7 then not so much but people need to relax. He doesn't have the bend or quickness upfield to get through clean to the QB but if he gets off the ball well and up into the tackles shoulder, he can take him for a ride. He has very good power on his bull rush. He forced the chargers 6'9" 330 lbs LT to take 3 or 4 steps back and allowed him to try to affect passes or be in position if someone forces the QB to leave contain. He also uses a quick inside move that he used to get into the backfield clean which scuttled a run to his side.

It's not like he got those 8 sacks by magic. He will also be playing next to Henry Melton which will help. The RDE and under have all manner of stunts and twists in the playbook. Melton will make some plays. His game is diverse enough and he has power in spades.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hope I won't get too criticized for this comparison, but is Mincey any less explosive off the edge than Greg Ellis was? If Mincey is good against the run he's a good signing. The plan, remember, was to put Demarcus Lawrence at RE on third down with Mincey kicking inside.

Ellis was quicker but i don't think he was as powerful as Mincey.

 

[BlindFaith]

Hope I won't get too criticized for this comparison, but is Mincey any less explosive off the edge than Greg Ellis was? If Mincey is good against the run he's a good signing. The plan, remember, was to put Demarcus Lawrence at RE on third down with Mincey kicking inside.

Ellis would immediately become our best defensive player by a large margin. And there is no comparing Mincey and Ellis. Ellis is far superior.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ellis would immediately become our best defensive player by a large margin. And there is no comparing Mincey and Ellis. Ellis is far superior.

I think Ellis especially young Ellis was not much better than where Crawford is right now. I'd put him above Mincey but Melton is also a superior player.

 

[Alexander]

The Cowboys didn't see much in Mincey but they're desperate and he was cheap..

If this is true, our front office is inept no matter how you slice it. Did not see much, but paid a body $2M guaranteed.