The Most Useless Stats

[CouchCoach]

Time was TOP and number of offensive plays were pretty good indicators of which team would win.

If I gave you this prior to any game, what would you conclude? TOP 36:43 to 23:17 and 75 offensive plays to 52. One team had the ball 61% of the game and ran 44% more offensive plays than the other.

And what if I were to tell you that TOP team with 23 more offensive plays was purportedly the run team with the best OL in the league, what would you conclude?

The Giants were 54% pass/46% run and averaged 4.7 per carry. The Cowboys were 61% pass/39% run and averaged 3.3 per carry. The passing team ran the ball and the run team threw too many passes. Whodathunkthat?

We can have all of the TOP we want, the other teams could care less as long as we're not turning possessions into points.

And that belief that TOP protects the defense took a hit as well. Doesn't matter as much about how long they're on the field, it's still about what they do when they're out there.

 

[HomeBiscuit]

Will Mischamp disagrees with you.

And that is why he turned out to be a complete joke for a HC at Florida.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Man we won the TOP & the TO stats but still lost. Sucks. I think points per drive is probably one of the most important.

 

[bayeslife]

The offensive line got whipped badly. I'm assuming they don't let that happen two games in a row.

 

[hornitosmonster]

The team has to finish drives with TD's. It shouldn't have been close but settling for FG's cost them

 

[NorTex]

First game of the season and a division game, these games have been crazy over the years.

 

[Doomsay]

The current coaching staff can turn almost any statistic on its head. By trying to keep games close regardless of whether you are ahead or behind, this staff has had more history defying losses than any team in memory.

For example: I can't recall or even imagine two players forgetting to run out of bounds in the same series with the game on the line with no time outs and a minute or less to play.

 

[Aven8]

I'm sick of hearing JG saying we like to attack. We never attack anything.

 

[aikemirv]

Time was TOP and number of offensive plays were pretty good indicators of which team would win.

If I gave you this prior to any game, what would you conclude? TOP 36:43 to 23:17 and 75 offensive plays to 52. One team had the ball 61% of the game and ran 44% more offensive plays than the other.

And what if I were to tell you that TOP team with 23 more offensive plays was purportedly the run team with the best OL in the league, what would you conclude?

The Giants were 54% pass/46% run and averaged 4.7 per carry. The Cowboys were 61% pass/39% run and averaged 3.3 per carry. The passing team ran the ball and the run team threw too many passes. Whodathunkthat?

We can have all of the TOP we want, the other teams could care less as long as we're not turning possessions into points.

And that belief that TOP protects the defense took a hit as well. Doesn't matter as much about how long they're on the field, it's still about what they do when they're out there.

They had 3 successful drives, that is it 0- for the whole game - our defense did well most of the game

Catch some TD passes and your argument holds no water. TOP is very big and I believe would have worn the Giants down at the end had we made a couple TD catches.

 

[percyhoward]

We can have all of the TOP we want, the other teams could care less as long as we're not turning possessions into points.

And that belief that TOP protects the defense took a hit as well. Doesn't matter as much about how long they're on the field, it's still about what they do when they're out there.

These were the best teams at controlling the clock in 2015, along with the duration of their average offensive possession over 16 games:

1. Atlanta 3:05
2. Seattle 3:01
3. Dallas 3:00
4. Minnesota 2:54
5. San Diego 2:54

The combined W-L of these teams is 37-43.
http://cowboyszone.com/threads/rushing-to-help-the-defense.351766/

 

[erod]

The only stats that generally translate are turnovers and 3rd down percentage both ways.

The rest are for fantasy football dorks.

 

[percyhoward]

The only stats that generally translate are turnovers and 3rd down percentage both ways.

The rest are for fantasy football dorks.

Don't kid yourself. Every NFL team knows what passer rating differential is, knows where they ranked according to that metric, and makes moves that they think will improve that ranking.

Every team that knows what it' s doing, that is.

 

[ShiningStar]

No matter the wheelbarrow of the stats you pull out, the score matters more. Also as i said, once that ball is kicked everything goes out the door. What did Garrett do, stick to his plan, who was the hot hand, Morris. Did we run on Morris. nope, went with EE. We won ToP tho, so for sure i thought we were going to win, i even called it in saying the league got it wrong, they said "SCOREBOARD" I said "stats we WIN."

as for the "best line in the nfl" i wil say this, penalties were down, thats good, but lets shelf that best line BS until its proven.

Can anyone tell me if we got a medal for starting Witten? I was also told, if we start him every game, umm, we would win or some such nonsense. So im assuming we get a medal or a moral victory, if someone can check the rules on that, that would be sweet.

Again and i really hope Garrett sticks to this, lets play the guys Dak isnt comfortable with, the Willams, EEs, crap like that, if hes hitting Swaim or likes Butler, F that noise, lets make him brutally uncomfortable i say. I want a QB whos unsure on what to do, does that "check down" crap all day, really win me the FG game, i think if we hit enough FGS and really go hard for those moral victroies and stacking good days on good days, about 30 , 40 years after the game is gone, we can really hang our hats on that. I want to show up for that parade.

Dunbar, blocker, im feeling it. Good call. I liked it, i was like "no way do the Giants have anyone big enough to handle this guy" SO lets throw Dunbar in, you know the RB with a legend for doing nothing. Guy is pure gold.

To recap, if anyone is still defending Garrett at this point, hats off to you. Couple more years of this nonsense and you got yourself all teh facts you need to show me he can do it. I say lets play this 10 more years just to be sure if he knows what sport it is. Another 30 or so and we got ourselves a coach ready to go;

 

[ShiningStar]

Don't kid yourself. Every NFL team knows what passer rating differential is, knows where they ranked according to that metric, and makes moves that they think will improve that ranking.

Every team that knows what it' s doing, that is.

and yet the league stll goes by the scoreboard, suckers!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Alexander]

I'm sick of hearing JG saying we like to attack. We never attack anything.

We attack whatever is given to us to attack.

We attacked the daylights out of the underneath patterns to Witten and Beasley.

 

[percyhoward]

and yet the league stll goes by the scoreboard, suckers!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The scoreboard is the entire point. You want to do the things that correlate most strongly with winning. But if teams didn't scratch the surface to look at what causes wins and losses, they'd be forced to operate on guesswork.

 

[ShiningStar]

The scoreboard is the entire point. You want to do the things that correlate most strongly with winning.

no, i want to do what wins, if my RB is winning, keep your stats, im going with what is working and what the field dictates. The stats arent going to win you the game. ToP wont win you the game if your qb is scared. You dont raise the lombardi screaming " STATS WON THIS SOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

You take the stas after the game. The scoreboard is your winner. They dont ask "how you got the points, its who has the most points" and thats teh only stat that matters

 

[percyhoward]

no, i want to do what wins, if my RB is winning, keep your stats, im going with what is working and what the field dictates. The stats arent going to win you the game. ToP wont win you the game if your qb is scared. You dont raise the lombardi screaming " STATS WON THIS SOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

You take the stas after the game. The scoreboard is your winner. They dont ask "how you got the points, its who has the most points" and thats teh only stat that matters

Go Cowboys.

 

[ShiningStar]

Go Cowboys.

let me also take this opportunity to say you are one of the best researchers, stats guys not ONLY on this board but one of the best ive had teh pleasure of reading. bar none. very appreciated. sadly, no matter the stats a coach thinks he might win with, if your RB is running all over the defense, stick with it. At the end of the day the points matter more. No stat has ever changed a scoreboard after the coach said "wait wait wait, this stat right here proves we won"

Screw me if you find it tho, I shoudlnt have challenged the best.

 

[RoboQB]

How 'bout this one: Points per play

We ran 30 plays in the first two drives... 6 points... smh
The Giants ran 7 plays in two drives and scored 7 points. What good is TOP if you don't get in the endzone?