The new run blocking scheme

[G2]

Pollard is running in the wrong gap...often

When?

 

[Captain-Crash]

I'm glad we didn't use the starters during preseason and try out some of this new crap. I'd probably wait until he season start and then try the new crap.

 

[jazzcat22]

Pollard is not a bell cow RB, he is just not.

At least the Cowboys were smart enough to use the tag on him, I would hate to be locked in on a long term deal right now with Pollard.

Actually it was stupid. They should have let him test FA. We would not have got a comp pick. As no team would sign him until he was 100%.
Another waste of $10 million. They could have changed their draft strategy and selected a RB within the 1st 3 rounds.

After all I been told many times on here, any RB can play. Don't pay them.

 

[jazzcat22]

I'm glad we didn't use the starters during preseason and try out some of this new crap. I'd probably wait until he season start and then try the new crap.

Well, now it looks like it could be a 17 game preseason learning experience.

 

[CowboyoWales]

In my opinion, if the Cowboys cannot be successful running the football this year, they won't make the playoffs.

Didnt the 49ers have the same opinion? In a way they didnt fear Dak's ability to beat them in the air and we didnt have the variety to change the game plan (it's a bit like Moore in reverse).

 

[John813]

I haven't followed the line and scheme in great depth this year, but I do remember reading Solari has been in the league since the 70's and has implemented man blocking(Harbaugh 49ers) and also inside zone schemes.
Solari and Schott worked together in Seattle and ran a mix of schemes for their run game. He replaced the previous OL there that just ran zone blocking.
So, are the Cowboys running more "power" blocking on run downs?


Also saw in a BtB article the pass blocking was changed to a slide blocking scheme, but that's not the topic here.

 

[Brooksey]

We should have drafted a RB in the 2nd round instead of Schoonmaker or at some point in the draft.

 

[Cowboyny]

Didnt the 49ers have the same opinion? In a way they didnt fear Dak's ability to beat them in the air and we didnt have the variety to change the game plan (it's a bit like Moore in reverse).

Not many QB's can win in this league playing one dimensional, even Mahomes needed a run game in the SB to win. Making a team one dimensional is the goal for every defense in this league.

 

[Aven8]

They keep running it right up the middle between the guard and center. That’s not TP’s game

 

[McKDaddy]

@xwalker - what is the scheme?

I mostly see one on one straight ahead blocking with the occasional pulling of a G or T. (from live games)

However, I was told repeatedly that O'Cyrus wasn't an option because he couldn't move well enough to run zone blocking scheme which would be our base.

 

[jazzcat22]

@xwalker - what is the scheme?

I mostly see one on one straight ahead blocking with the occasional pulling of a G or T. (from live games)

However, I was told repeatedly that O'Cyrus wasn't an option because he couldn't move well enough to run zone blocking scheme which would be our base.

Right. They switched OL coach, but I never read anything where they switched schemes. I know it is supposed to be a 30% change in the offense, as to plays. But does that really affect the run blocking. I don't think it does to a great degree.

 

[xwalker]

@xwalker - what is the scheme?

I mostly see one on one straight ahead blocking with the occasional pulling of a G or T. (from live games)

However, I was told repeatedly that O'Cyrus wasn't an option because he couldn't move well enough to run zone blocking scheme which would be our base.

Yes, they often have an OG or OC pulling.

I want to go back to outside zone like they played with Callahan as the OL coach (2012 to 2014).

 

[Typhus]

Pollard is running in the wrong gap...often.

It might be because he does not have a feel for the new scheme...

The Cowboys formula for winning is to rush better than the opponent.

No rush and pass rushers tee off.

For this offense to have any hope is to start getting all the RBs involved in the passing game.
Doesn't need to be excessive, but a few looks to Deuce would seem appropriate now that Turp is done for a while.
Luepke has some hands and size speed to match so what is the hesitation to get this involved more.

 

[McKDaddy]

Right. They switched OL coach, but I never read anything where they switched schemes. I know it is supposed to be a 30% change in the offense, as to plays. But does that really affect the run blocking. I don't think it does to a great degree.

I'm certainly not seeing it live. I don't really see how we can be zone blocking, pulling G type blocking very often because Zack doesn't move as well so it would have to be Tyler pulling mostly which would limit you to going right.

Everytime I watch OCT manhandle his guys, I can't help but think that him beside TB with Tyler S on the outside would have given you a powerful side to run behind. Also, OCT could have slid right in for Zack when he has been banged up.

In short, either scheme can work ... if you have the guys to run it but I think it's easier to run a power scheme.

 

[xwalker]

After all I been told many times on here, any RB can play. Don't pay them.

See McCaffrey, Christian trade.

 

[INCowboysFan]

Pollard is not a bell cow RB, he is just not.

At least the Cowboys were smart enough to use the tag on him, I would hate to be locked in on a long term deal right now with Pollard.

he never has been, going back to college. he's a change of pace back that will break a long one from time to time. he's not a 20-25 carry kind of back. We keep slamming him into DL's and he will be injured before the season is over.

 

[Creeper]

I was thinking about how badly the OL has been as a unit compared to last season and if the new coach has had some part in that. I really expected the 5 starters to do a much better job against SF but they were not very good at all. I am speaking of the running game mostly, although pass protection against the 49ers was not so great either. I was very surprised they didn't have a plan for dealing with Bosa. Clearly the 49ers put a lot of effort into taking Parsons out of the game. I think the SF loss was 90% coaching and planning.

 

[Rayman70]

Pollard is now in a role that he shouldn’t be in. He is a complimentary, splash-play RB and nothing more. Just another mistake for the newish offense.

nailed it. I knew this before the season. But the team ignored it and many fans did. We need another back in there 2 split carries other than Dowdle. Maybe Luepke and Deuce can get more touches..

 

[xwalker]

I'm certainly not seeing it live. I don't really see how we can be zone blocking, pulling G type blocking very often because Zack doesn't move as well so it would have to be Tyler pulling mostly which would limit you to going right.

Everytime I watch OCT manhandle his guys, I can't help but think that him beside TB with Tyler S on the outside would have given you a powerful side to run behind. Also, OCT could have slid right in for Zack when he has been banged up.

In short, either scheme can work ... if you have the guys to run it but I think it's easier to run a power scheme.

Torrence would not have played in this past game...

Tyler and Tyron physically pummel defenders. Martin and Steele have good power. Only the OC is weak.

When they can't run with 4 big powerful OL, the problem is either scheme/coaching or the RBs.

OL block to push defenders either right or left. If an OL is pushing his defender left but the RB goes to the left of that OL, then the OL can't continue blocking because it would be blocking in the back.

Remember when Emmitt held out the first 2 games of 93? That OL is regarded as one of the best ever but without Emmitt they couldn't run and lost both games.

The 49ers have the best run blocking scheme in the league and maybe the best ever (scheme not players).

Shannahan's father gave Zone Blocking guru Alex Gibbs a 100% commitment to the ZBS for the first time in the NFL. Others had run zone before but tried to do it with existing OL that were originally drafted as power blockers.

Kyle S. has expanded on the ZBS to include a Fullback and combine it with both Zone and Man.

Kyle S. has also taken a page from what the Rams started a few years ago which was a legit focus on having WRs block.

The Cowboys had the best blocking WR in the league, Noah Brown, but he is gone.

 

[xwalker]

Actually it was stupid. They should have let him test FA. We would not have got a comp pick. As no team would sign him until he was 100%.
Another waste of $10 million. They could have changed their draft strategy and selected a RB within the 1st 3 rounds.

After all I been told many times on here, any RB can play. Don't pay them.

They had to sign a veteran RB.

If no franchise for Pollard then it would have been a multi-year deal for a free agent.