The NFL QB Rating

[RomoplusDezEquals7]

Because Zeke carried the team and not Dak.

This and the O line. Zeke ran for 1700 yards and Dak was afforded amazing pass protection. It was a QB's dream. With that said he did what he was supposed to do that year. He played his part on that team. He was not the catalyst of that team though.

 

[CowboyFrog]

This and the O line. Zeke ran for 1700 yards and Dak was afforded amazing pass protection. It was a QB's dream. With that said he did what he was supposed to do that year. He played his part on that team. He was not the catalyst of that team though.

No he was not, and with the resources we spent he was not suppose to be. Again that line is much diferent from this line...Zeke still has juice, this Oline is a diferent group than 2016.

Did we win the SB with this plan? and if Zeke gets credit for carrying the team....would Prescott throwing for 5k and 30 not be like the QB equiv?

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Yes because the contract is backloaded. It averages I believe 39 million a season. Which is why he will only have to carry the team even more after this season. This defense is bad, but they don't consistently give up 45 points a game. And counter argument, why in 2019 when the defense held a team to 12, 13, 17, 20 did they lose all of those? One with the division on the line. As I've stated probably 20 times in this thread Dak is a good QB. I guess elite would depend on the metric. In my mind there are only a handful of those and he's not there yet. Maybe he will though.

So to prove Dak isn't a great QB you are bringing up games from 2 almost 3 years ago..... Haha...... with different players and coaches Haha yea ok

As far as the contract and will get restructured and extended so you are still complaining about a contract at 40 million a year that won't ever be a cap hit of 40 million until a bunch of other QBs are signed to bigger contracts, the cap goes up and then Daks contract will look like a bargain.

 

[RomoplusDezEquals7]

Because Zeke carried the team and not Dak.

This and the O line. Zeke ran for 1700 yards and Dak was afforded amazing pass protection. It was a QB's dream. With that said he did what he was supposed to do that year. He played his part on that team. He was not the catalyst of that team though.

Just curious. Do you think this offense can average 30 points a game?

If the defense, let's say gives up an average of 28 points does Dallas win more games or less?

Now take the score from Tampa and Dallas game. If Dallas defense gives up an average of 31 points a game and Dallas offense averages 29 points a game, do they win more games?

I think every game is different. I think some will be shootouts you have to win and there will some this year the defense plays better and it's in the teens or 20's and Dak will have to make pristine throws at opportune times to win it. I don't think to this point he's proven he elite. I think he has proven to be good and I give him lots of credit for the performance he just had on a reconstructed ankle. I think time will tell in the Dak debate. But, I'm a Cowboys fan first not a Dak fan first.

 

[USArmyVet]

So when the other team is scoring 30+..tell me what is he suppsoe to do? "Dak throw the ball we need points" Dak "nope coach thats just padding my stats when I throw it"

How about when the other teams scores 12, 17, 20....and Dak doesn't show up and Dallas loses?

 

[USArmyVet]

You are wrong on multiple fronts. First off Dak isn't making 40 million a year, his cap hit is almost half of that.

Next, Dak absolutely carries the offense. You can't name a single QB that won consistently with a defense giving up 30-45 points per game.

Only ones still saying Dak isn't a top tier QB is the ones we call haters. He is a top 5 QB in the league and top 7 at worst. Doesn't mean he is the best or greatest of all time or even perfect but he is without a doubt a franchise QB and in the elite status.

When did Dallas consistanly give up 30-45 points a game other than Dak's last 6? What about 2016-2019?????

 

[RomoplusDezEquals7]

So to prove Dak isn't a great QB you are bringing up games from 2 almost 3 years ago..... Haha...... with different players and coaches Haha yea ok

As far as the contract and will get restructured and extended so you are still complaining about a contract at 40 million a year that won't ever be a cap hit of 40 million until a bunch of other QBs are signed to bigger contracts, the cap goes up and then Daks contract will look like a bargain.

Yes it will be a 40 million cap hit. Actually in the later years it's 45. It's backloaded. If your point is the cap will go up, yes I agree.

Okay you don't want to go off his 2019 performance. He's 6-12 in his last 18 games. However you look at it, I don't agree he's great. I agree he's good.

 

[CowboyFrog]

How about when the other teams scores 12, 17, 20....and Dak doesn't show up and Dallas loses?

When in 2018 and 2019...I mean what about the times those years we scored 25 and the other team scored 30+ again your going to cherry pick I know that but that just proves everyone p[oint that you refuse to see the whole picture because it does not say what you want it to.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

This and the O line. Zeke ran for 1700 yards and Dak was afforded amazing pass protection. It was a QB's dream. With that said he did what he was supposed to do that year. He played his part on that team. He was not the catalyst of that team though.

This is complete nonsense. The only thing that changed from 2015-2016 teams on offense was Dak at QB and Zeke at RB. 2015 team went 4-12 and 2016 team went 13-2 cause last game they sat most of the starters. You're telling me only Zeke gets credit for 9 more wins with the same team. Haha that's utter BS

 

[RomoplusDezEquals7]

No he was not, and with the resources we spent he was not suppose to be. Again that line is much diferent from this line...Zeke still has juice, this Oline is a diferent group than 2016.

Did we win the SB with this plan? and if Zeke gets credit for carrying the team....would Prescott throwing for 5k and 30 not be like the QB equiv?

Agreed.

 

[CowboyFrog]

This is complete nonsense. The only thing that changed from 2015-2016 teams on offense was Dak at QB and Zeke at RB. 2015 team went 4-12 and 2016 team went 13-2 cause last game they sat most of the starters. You're telling me only Zeke gets credit for 9 more wins with the same team. Haha that's utter BS

Correct and he gets credit for carrying a team to the divisional which these guys like to call Dak out for...again Zeke and Dak are tied at the hip with Martin, Tyron, Amari, Gallup and now Lamb..if one sucks based on W/L then they all suck period.

 

[RomoplusDezEquals7]

This is complete nonsense. The only thing that changed from 2015-2016 teams on offense was Dak at QB and Zeke at RB. 2015 team went 4-12 and 2016 team went 13-2 cause last game they sat most of the starters. You're telling me only Zeke gets credit for 9 more wins with the same team. Haha that's utter BS

You don't think Romo being injured in 2015 had anything to do with that record as to may knowledge Romo never had a losing season.

And yes the O-line, Zeke and a opportunistic defense were the catalyst of that season. Dak played his part. Not sure what's so bad to say about that.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Yes it will be a 40 million cap hit. Actually in the later years it's 45. It's backloaded. If your point is the cap will go up, yes I agree.

Okay you don't want to go off his 2019 performance. He's 6-12 in his last 18 games. However you look at it, I don't agree he's great. I agree he's good.

Guess you don't understand what restructures and fake extensions do.

No Zeke is 6-12 since he was the one carrying the team. Right. In your words the team carries Dak so how can you then put the record on Dak. Wouldn't that be Zeke and the team record. Dak don't do anything from what you guys say, therefore he can't get any blame for not winning.

 

[RomoplusDezEquals7]

When did Dallas consistanly give up 30-45 points a game other than Dak's last 6? What about 2016-2019?????

My point exactly. This defense in Dak's first 5 games of last season was crap. But, that's not the defense he had in 2019. It's also not the defense he has this year as they forced 4 turnovers and we still lost.

 

[RomoplusDezEquals7]

Guess you don't understand what restructures and fake extensions do.

No Zeke is 6-12 since he was the one carrying the team. Right. In your words the team carries Dak so how can you then put the record on Dak. Wouldn't that be Zeke and the team record. Dak don't do anything from what you guys say, therefore he can't get any blame for not winning.

Without cutting Dak they will eventually have to pay his contract. They can keep pushing it down the line with restructures, but it will be paid. What I am not understanding?

Zeke hasn't been performing, I agree with you. With that said if Dak is elite and the QB is he not the leader of this team? is passing the ball 58 times saying here Zeke you win this, or is it saying here Dak you win this?

 

[USArmyVet]

When in 2018 and 2019...I mean what about the times those years we scored 25 and the other team scored 30+ again your going to cherry pick I know that but that just proves everyone p[oint that you refuse to see the whole picture because it does not say what you want it to.

Average Dallas defensive points given up per year of Dak's career in Dallas:

2016: 19.125 points per game
2017: 20.75 points per game
2018: 20.25 points per game
2019: 20.06 points per game
2020: 29.56 points per game
2021: 31 points per game (1 game played)

So again, other than Dak's last 6 games when is this 30-45 points a game thing you speak of?

 

[Irvin88_4life]

You don't think Romo being injured in 2015 had anything to do with that record as to may knowledge Romo never had a losing season.

And yes the O-line, Zeke and a opportunistic defense were the catalyst of that season. Dak played his part. Not sure what's so bad to say about that.

Doesn't matter if Romo played or not because he didn't play in 2016.

My point is the only thing that changed from a 4-12 team to a 13-3 team was Dak and Zeke. You're saying it was all Zeke and not Dak. Therefore, you are saying Zeke is the reason that team got 9 more wins...... that's horse crap

Also what's bad about what you said is because it's false

 

[CowboyFrog]

My point exactly. This defense in Dak's first 5 games of last season was crap. But, that's not the defense he had in 2019. It's also not the defense he has this year as they forced 4 turnovers and we still lost.

Im sorry but getting 3 TO and a punt equiv in the last seconds of the half BUT STILL GIVING UP 30+ points doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies...to be honest its hard to do...if you want to call that a win for the defense I will show you the % teams that give up 30+ points have.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Without cutting Dak they will eventually have to pay his contract. They can keep pushing it down the line with restructures, but it will be paid. What I am not understanding?

Zeke hasn't been performing, I agree with you. With that said if Dak is elite and the QB is he not the leader of this team? is passing the ball 58 times saying here Zeke you win this, or is it saying here Dak you win this?

Go do some research and come back. I said other things besides just restructures.

 

[HungryLion]

The bigger point is can only compare with the eras.

Staubach for example often led his era in the 80 ratings . But doesn’t stack up in this era.

Look at some of the names in top 25 this era. A few of those QB’s are crap like Shaub, Carr and Pennington.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

Yes agreed. Same with Troy.

both Staubach and Aikman would eviscerate modern defenses. But if you look back at their passer rating from decades ago. They are paltry in comparison.