The NFL QB Rating

[CowboyRoy]

like it or not QBs are judged by winning and losing. So no he can’t carry a team.

Only people that dont understand football judge only on team success.

He is 100% carrying the team. That's EXACTLY what he does.

 

[RomoplusDezEquals7]

Over and over again he has proven. The team still has yet to prove they are a top tier team.

Some of you seem to have a real problem separating the two. Or you just have a troll agenda.

many agrument contains facts. He’s 6-12 in his last 18 games. If that’s carrying a team then I guess Tyrol Taylor does as well.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yeah I don't know how anybody who watched this team score 33 ppg with Dak at the helm and then drop to around 20 ppg without him argue that he does not elevate and carry this team. The dude was basically worth TWO TOUCHDOWNS more for the Cowboys last season. And the gap was even larger until the defense handed the offense a bunch of easy scores against Minnesota, Cincinnati and the 49ers and they had a mini scoring explosion. If not for those games the Cowboys offense would have averaged under 14 ppg without Dak..

Dak is carrying the Cowboys. Its the text definition of carrying a team.

 

[CowboyRoy]

many agrument contains facts. He’s 6-12 in his last 18 games. If that’s carrying a team then I guess Tyrol Taylor does as well.

QB's dont have records. Sorry, that angle doenst fly.

How come you dont want to talk about the first 3 years of Dak's career? Because that win angle doesnt suit your agenda?

 

[RomoplusDezEquals7]

Over and over again he has proven. The team still has yet to prove they are a top tier team.

Some of you seem to have a real problem separating the two. Or you just have a troll agenda.

many agrument contains facts. He’s 6-12 in his last 18 games. If that’s carrying a team then I guess Tyrol Taylor does as well.

Only people that dont understand football judge only on team success.

He is 100% carrying the team. That's EXACTLY what he does.

Which is why I’m saying he’s a good QB not a top tier QB. I must have forgotten all those recent winning streaks he’s gone on to carry this team. He makes 40 million a year, it will be tough to build a great team around him, so he he’s going to have to.

Only people that dont understand football judge only on team success.

He is 100% carrying the team. That's EXACTLY what he does.

 

[terra]

Since his rookie year when he was on a team that was at its peak, Dak's WINNING RECORD is barely over .500

So needless to day anyone claiming he is now carrying this team is a total football idiot.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

First I’m a member from the ranch report, which is now gone. I’ve followed this forum for years and thought I’d create an account. I’ve never been banned from any website, or this one.

second, I’ve said multiple times Dak is a good QB. But, he’s the leader of this team and we all know his recent record and the NFL is a what have you done lately league as we all know. If I’m a hater because I’m willing to say he’s good, but not perfect then I guess I’m a hater. Not sure when this turned into the Dallas Prescott’s.

If the team elevates Dak, how come they couldn't elevate Cassell, Weeden, Moore, Dalton, Gilbert, DiNucci and every other QB not named Romo or Dak?

 

[RonnieT24]

and by quick look at rating I find many he was under 80 which is pretty mundane in today’s NFL. I think he’s a good QB, I just don’t think of him as highly as you guys on the football field. Off the field he is amazing from what I can tell. He very well may prove all us “haters” wrong though.

Define "many." He has 16 games below 80 in his entire career. Just over 1/5 of his career starts. 9 of those occurred in his first two seasons. Meanwhile he has 31 games above 100.. So double what would be considered to be great games vs poor ones. He has another 11 games above 90 which most would consider to be at least "good." The offense dropped off nearly 2 TDs per game after he went down so I have to reject your argument that he doesn't elevate this team. That's some pretty good elevating IMHO. I came into 2020 feeling a lot like you.. That Dak was "good but not great." But as I watched him work under very challenging circumstances in those first 5 games I began to change my mind.. This guy took several steps forward in that stretch to me. Thursday looked like a continuation of that and if anything an improvement because he was under duress all night and still delivered dimes time after time. Even his INT was a dime where Lamb let him down. Stat sheet watchers will say "but he still had a turnover." Football watchers with a brain will know that Dak had nothing to do with that interception. As he goes on if he continues to perform at this level we are going to have to acknowledge that he has become a truly great QB. Think about this.. if the defense had been able to hold Seattle after he got the lead or the Bucs after he got the lead or the Browns after he cut it to a 3 point game we might be sitting here talking about a guy who was 4-1 before he got hurt last year and 1-0 right now with 400 yards passing in 4 of his last 6 games. And that would be without Dak doing anything different.. Just the defense showing up late in games.. That's why the whole QB record thing will always be the domain of softheads to me.

 

[CowboyFrog]

many agrument contains facts. He’s 6-12 in his last 18 games. If that’s carrying a team then I guess Tyrol Taylor does as well.

The team is 6-12...man again if he sucks so does the rest of that offense...this argument is hollow sorry man.

 

[USArmyVet]

Only people that dont understand football judge only on team success.

He is 100% carrying the team. That's EXACTLY what he does.

He may be carrying a fantasy football team.

 

[USArmyVet]

QB's dont have records. Sorry, that angle doenst fly.

How come you dont want to talk about the first 3 years of Dak's career? Because that win angle doesnt suit your agenda?

Because Zeke carried the team and not Dak.

Zeke 2016-2018

40 of 48 games 868 carries 4,048 yards 4.66 ypc 28 TD's 135 catches 1,199 yards 8.88 ypc 6 TD's 4 fumbles lost

Average Game: 21.7 carries 101.2 yards .7 TD's 3.4 catches 30 yards

Dak 2016-2018

48 of 48 games 975 of 1,475 66.1% Comp % 10,876 yards 7.37 ypa 67 TD's 25 INT's 189 rushes 944 yards 4.99 ypc 18 TD's 11 fumbles lost

Average Game: 20 of 31 227 yards 1.4 TD's .52 INT's 3.94 rushes 19.67 yards

 

[CowboyFrog]

He may be carrying a fantasy football team.

So when the other team is scoring 30+..tell me what is he suppsoe to do? "Dak throw the ball we need points" Dak "nope coach thats just padding my stats when I throw it"

 

[Irvin88_4life]

many agrument contains facts. He’s 6-12 in his last 18 games. If that’s carrying a team then I guess Tyrol Taylor does as well.


Which is why I’m saying he’s a good QB not a top tier QB. I must have forgotten all those recent winning streaks he’s gone on to carry this team. He makes 40 million a year, it will be tough to build a great team around him, so he he’s going to have to.

You are wrong on multiple fronts. First off Dak isn't making 40 million a year, his cap hit is almost half of that.

Next, Dak absolutely carries the offense. You can't name a single QB that won consistently with a defense giving up 30-45 points per game.

Only ones still saying Dak isn't a top tier QB is the ones we call haters. He is a top 5 QB in the league and top 7 at worst. Doesn't mean he is the best or greatest of all time or even perfect but he is without a doubt a franchise QB and in the elite status.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Because Zeke carried the team and not Dak.

Jesus man..go look at total resources by team to O-line compare where we are now to where we were in 2016....it is not even close to the same team.

 

[RonnieT24]

many agrument contains facts. He’s 6-12 in his last 18 games. If that’s carrying a team then I guess Tyrol Taylor does as well.


Which is why I’m saying he’s a good QB not a top tier QB. I must have forgotten all those recent winning streaks he’s gone on to carry this team. He makes 40 million a year, it will be tough to build a great team around him, so he he’s going to have to.

Dak will go on some massive win streaks as soon as the defense can figure out how to not give up 30+ points a game. Or if they can just hold the leads he gives them late in games.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Dak will go on some massive win streaks as soon as the defense can figure out how to not give up 30+ points a game. Or if they can just hold the leads he gives them late in games.

They never mention that its like 5 plustime over his last 10 games he has handed the lead to the D to watch it burn....Again I seriously doubt Dak wants to throw the ball 58 times and watch the defense give up 30+ a game..some here are just so dug in on their stance common sense is out the window.

 

[RomoplusDezEquals7]

Dak will go on some massive win streaks as soon as the defense can figure out how to not give up 30+ points a game. Or if they can just hold the leads he gives them late in games.

Hope you're right man.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Dak will go on some massive win streaks as soon as the defense can figure out how to not give up 30+ points a game. Or if they can just hold the leads he gives them late in games.

Bingo but it's just easier to say stupid stuff like "Dak doesn't carry the offense, the team carries him" but yet the offense went right down the drain when Dak got hurt. Could the team not carry Dalton? I mean the same guys saying this crap said Dalton was a real QB...... offense suffered when he step in for Dak and Trubisky looked better than real QB Dalton in Chicago

 

[RomoplusDezEquals7]

You are wrong on multiple fronts. First off Dak isn't making 40 million a year, his cap hit is almost half of that.

Next, Dak absolutely carries the offense. You can't name a single QB that won consistently with a defense giving up 30-45 points per game.

Only ones still saying Dak isn't a top tier QB is the ones we call haters. He is a top 5 QB in the league and top 7 at worst. Doesn't mean he is the best or greatest of all time or even perfect but he is without a doubt a franchise QB and in the elite status.

Yes because the contract is backloaded. It averages I believe 39 million a season. Which is why he will only have to carry the team even more after this season. This defense is bad, but they don't consistently give up 45 points a game. And counter argument, why in 2019 when the defense held a team to 12, 13, 17, 20 did they lose all of those? One with the division on the line. As I've stated probably 20 times in this thread Dak is a good QB. I guess elite would depend on the metric. In my mind there are only a handful of those and he's not there yet. Maybe he will though.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Hope you're right man.

Just curious. Do you think this offense can average 30 points a game?

If the defense, let's say gives up an average of 28 points does Dallas win more games or less?

Now take the score from Tampa and Dallas game. If Dallas defense gives up an average of 31 points a game and Dallas offense averages 29 points a game, do they win more games?