The NFL will become MLB

[DallasEast]

I don't remember Walter Payton doing any of that stuff.

True, but then again, Payton was as 'old school' as one could get. I really miss him. Guys like him, who had the utmost respect for the game, continued to be excellent examples for the newer generation. Now, he's gone and what inspiration remains for today's players is often something they wish to copy from some television sitcom, music video or video game like NFL Blitz.

 

[cstanton1987]

God forbid that the players take money from the ultra rich owners. Better they should get paid crap and "play for the love of the game" - you do know that is just a euphemism for getting exploited, right?

Exactamundo, Football period is a multi-billion dollar business including college and high school. The only difference in the NFL is that pro players actually get to see some of the cash they bring in. Everybody doesnt play for the "love of the game" that's true from pop warner to the pros.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Exactamundo, Football period is a multi-billion dollar business including college and high school. The only difference in the NFL is that pro players actually get to see some of the cash they bring in. Everybody doesnt play for the "love of the game" that's true from pop warner to the pros.

I think many of you are missing the point here. Just because the money is there doesn't mean they deserve it.

For example, when you watch a game are most fans apt to say "I can't wait to see Brett Favre play today" or "I can't wait to see Marc Columbo play today"?

These guys getting this rediculous money are NOT the ones bringing in the cash. As I said, more power to 'em if they get it, but they are not worth that money.

And what exactally is wrong with "Playing for the love of the game."?

 

[cstanton1987]

I think many of you are missing the point here. Just because the money is there doesn't mean they deserve it.

For example, when you watch a game are most fans apt to say "I can't wait to see Brett Favre play today" or "I can't wait to see Marc Columbo play today"?

These guys getting this rediculous money are NOT the ones bringing in the cash. As I said, more power to 'em if they get it, but they are not worth that money.

And what exactally is wrong with "Playing for the love of the game."?

And who allows Brett Favre to be Brett Favre? Football is a team game. Superstars can't be superstars without role players. And there's nothing wrong with playing "for the love of the game" but to expect everyone who puts on a uniform to do the same would be naive and unrealistic. I knew players in pop warner who were sick of playing football but they kept doing it for their parents. I knew players in high school who were sick of playing football but they did it to get to college. I know players in College who are sick of playing football but the have to get to the league. Ask yourself this if you have been doing the same thing since you been six day in day out since you've been six years old would you not get tired of it at least a little?

 

[AbeBeta]

And what exactally is wrong with "Playing for the love of the game."?

There is nothing wrong with playing because you love the game. There is something borderline ******** about not getting paid what you are worth. What you are worth, from an economic standpoint is what teams will pay.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

And who allows Brett Favre to be Brett Favre? Football is a team game. Superstars can't be superstars without role players. And there's nothing wrong with playing "for the love of the game" but to expect everyone who puts on a uniform to do the same would be naive and unrealistic. I knew players in pop warner who were sick of playing football but they kept doing it for their parents. I knew players in high school who were sick of playing football but they did it to get to college. I know players in College who are sick of playing football but the have to get to the league. Ask yourself this if you have been doing the same thing since you been six day in day out since you've been six years old would you not get tired of it at least a little?

And there you have it. Superstars and Role Players. My point is that right now, Role Players are getting superstar money.

Thanks for making my point.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

There is nothing wrong with playing because you love the game. There is something borderline ******** about not getting paid what you are worth. What you are worth, from an economic standpoint is what teams will pay.

Well that's just not true. Is Randy Moss worth what he is getting paid? Just because someone pays it doesn't mean you are worth it. That's just bad business which is what this thread is all about, that this league has made bad business dicisions regarding, rules, player saleries, etc.

 

[AbeBeta]

Well that's just not true. Is Randy Moss worth what he is getting paid? Just because someone pays it doesn't mean you are worth it. That's just bad business which is what this thread is all about, that this league has made bad business dicisions regarding, rules, player saleries, etc.

In the NFL you can cut guys and have no further obligation to pay them. This is the only major US sport that you can do that. So if he isn't worth it, the Raiders can cut him. Clearly they DO think he's worth the $ whether that is because of his performance or what he can gain them in a trade.

 

[cstanton1987]

And there you have it. Superstars and Role Players. My point is that right now, Role Players are getting superstar money.

Thanks for making my point.

If that role player is allowing the star player to make star plays why shouldn't he get more money? Everyone isn't going to be a media darling doesn't mean his contribution is any less than the star.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

In the NFL you can cut guys and have no further obligation to pay them. This is the only major US sport that you can do that. So if he isn't worth it, the Raiders can cut him. Clearly they DO think he's worth the $ whether that is because of his performance or what he can gain them in a trade.

Not really. They CAN in theory "Cut" him but you know the ramifications of doing that with the cap rules. Again, just another example of how the new NFL has really hamstrung the teams. They pay a guy big dollars and all of a sudden he becomes a a cancer on and off the field and they are stuck.

I would say he is not worth what they are paying him and most people outside of the Moss family belive that as well.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

If that role player is allowing the star player to make star plays why shouldn't he get more money? Everyone isn't going to be a media darling doesn't mean his contribution is any less than the star.

OK let's take this argument to another level.

In the regular work place. A guy who ships a product out off the loading dock gets paid 10.00 per hour.

The guy who made the deal to sell the product gets paid 25.00 per hour.

The guy who manages and directs the guy who made the deal gets 50.00 per hour.

The product never gets to the customer without the shipping guy. Does he deserve as much money as the manager or the salesman?

 

[AbeBeta]

Not really. They CAN in theory "Cut" him but you know the ramifications of doing that with the cap rules. Again, just another example of how the new NFL has really hamstrung the teams. They pay a guy big dollars and all of a sudden he becomes a a cancer on and off the field and they are stuck.

I would say he is not worth what they are paying him and most people outside of the Moss family belive that as well.

You seem to be complaining about the cap in conflicting ways -- first the cap is too lax, meaning that teams can shell out too much money to mediocre players. Now the cap leaves teams hamstrung and forces them to pay players who aren't producing? So which is it?

 

[Rampage]

Just another league of overpriced, watered-down players who only care about the dollar. It will also go the way of baseball where there is no connection with the fan and the interest will kill it.

Really sad, because Pro football is a great sport.

I really gonna start watching Arena football to see guys play for the love of the game.

but atleast the nfl players are in shape and run during there sport.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

You seem to be complaining about the cap in conflicting ways -- first the cap is too lax, meaning that teams can shell out too much money to mediocre players. Now the cap leaves teams hamstrung and forces them to pay players who aren't producing? So which is it?

That cap itself is the problem. That is what I've been trying to say. The fact that a team pays insane money to mediocre players puts them in a position that when that player does something Moss like, they are stuck. You can't trade them. You can't cut them. You can't do anything with them. At which point they are not worth the money they are being paid.

 

[AbeBeta]

That cap itself is the problem. That is what I've been trying to say. The fact that a team pays insane money to mediocre players puts them in a position that when that player does something Moss like, they are stuck. You can't trade them. You can't cut them. You can't do anything with them. At which point they are not worth the money they are being paid.

But if there was no cap, we'd have a situation like in MLB which has a half-a'ed luxury tax - the rich can spend as much as they want, they just have to pay extra to do it. Mediocre players then would be getting much much more money.

So you are saying that the NFL should be like the MLB?

 

[Cajuncowboy]

But if there was no cap, we'd have a situation like in MLB which has a half-a'ed luxury tax - the rich can spend as much as they want, they just have to pay extra to do it. Mediocre players then would be getting much much more money.

So you are saying that the NFL should be like the MLB?

No that's not what would happen because MLB doesn't have revenue sharing like the NFL.

What would happen is that teams that really wanted to win like the Patriots, Dallas etc, would spend big dollars on great players and teams that wanted to only make a profit like Cleveland would only field a team. Then their fan base would get upset and force them to spend money.

See it's called capitalism.

 

[AbeBeta]

No that's not what would happen because MLB doesn't have revenue sharing like the NFL.

What would happen is that teams that really wanted to win like the Patriots, Dallas etc, would spend big dollars on great players and teams that wanted to only make a profit like Cleveland would only field a team. Then their fan base would get upset and force them to spend money.

See it's called capitalism.

Actually they do have revenue sharing through luxury taxes.

And without a cap the TV revenues would suffer because, like before, there would be a handful of dominant franchises and most of the country would stop giving a damn because their teams were always out of it.

 

[jimmy40]

Just another league of overpriced, watered-down players who only care about the dollar. It will also go the way of baseball where there is no connection with the fan and the interest will kill it.

Really sad, because Pro football is a great sport.

I really gonna start watching Arena football to see guys play for the love of the game.

What makes you think some of these guys that are too stupid to get a decent job aren't playing arena league for the money?

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Actually they do have revenue sharing through luxury taxes.

And without a cap the TV revenues would suffer because, like before, there would be a handful of dominant franchises and most of the country would stop giving a damn because their teams were always out of it.

You are comparing the revenue sharing in MLB to the NFL?????

Also, the TV revenue would not suffer due to the restriction already in place regarding black outs. And if the teams that were alsways out of it got some heat from their fans, maybe they would change.

Again, capitalism.

 

[StevenOtero]

Just another league of overpriced, watered-down players who only care about the dollar. It will also go the way of baseball where there is no connection with the fan and the interest will kill it.

Really sad, because Pro football is a great sport.

I really gonna start watching Arena football to see guys play for the love of the game.

I agree with you. I will not stop watching.. but yeah. Just ridiculous salaries the these guys are making. They all need to give most of it away.