The NFL will become MLB

[Cajuncowboy]

Just another league of overpriced, watered-down players who only care about the dollar. It will also go the way of baseball where there is no connection with the fan and the interest will kill it.

Really sad, because Pro football is a great sport.

I really gonna start watching Arena football to see guys play for the love of the game.

 

[ajk23az]

I totally agree with you, but im not gonna stop watching.

That is why a lot of people like college basketball/football better than Pros.

 

[smarta5150]

Thats why high school and college football are in ways much better than the NFL.

A lot more emotion and drive from guys who are trying to get to the next level.

And there are also the 50+ year old rivals and the 100,000 capacity stadiums with 20,000 students.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Just another league of overpriced, watered-down players who only care about the dollar. It will also go the way of baseball where there is no connection with the fan and the interest will kill it.

Really sad, because Pro football is a great sport.

I really gonna start watching Arena football to see guys play for the love of the game.

Sweet , hopefully ticket prices will go down now that you converted.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

I totally agree with you, but im not gonna stop watching.

That is why a lot of people like college basketball/football better than Pros.

I didn't say I would stop watching the game, just that I will focus on Arena as well. I am so sick of watching them water down this league.

You can't touch the QB.
You can't touch the WR.
You can't play agressivly any more.

When they say that the greats of the game like Decon Jones and Bob Lilly and Ray Nitchke couldn't play with todays players they are right. These guys today would get killed. The league is a Marketing freight train and that is what keeps it afloat. But sooner or later, it will catch up to them.

They have watered down the talent with too much Expansion.

They have made dynasties a thing of the past with the salary cap.

They have taken away the fans ability to root for any one player for any length of time because eventually he will be on another team.

And now these sky rocketing salaries for, IMO, very average players will make it more difficult for the average fan to buy a ticket.

I am going to my first Cowboys game this year in Dallas. Been to several away games but never to Texas Stadium. I am going as much for the nostagia of what has passed than what is there today.

Eventually, even that will be taken away. The fan has no voice and in the end is the one who takes it in the back-side.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

How is the game different? Using the same logic, you could have stopped watching the game 10 years ago comparing what the guys of the 90s made versus what the guys in the 60s made.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

How is the game different? Using the same logic, you could have stopped watching the game 10 years ago comparing what the guys of the 90s made versus what the guys in the 60s made.

Not true. Look at what Gaurds got on the market just two years ago, then look what ahappened last year with Hutchinson and this year. There is a HUGE gap in the dollars. Plus the guys this year are very average. Just because the cap went up, doesn't mean the guys are worth it. It insane.

 

[parchy]

I didn't say I would stop watching the game, just that I will focus on Arena as well. I am so sick of watching them water down this league.

You can't touch the QB.
You can't touch the WR.
You can't play agressivly any more.

When they say that the greats of the game like Decon Jones and Bob Lilly and Ray Nitchke couldn't play with todays players they are right. These guys today would get killed. The league is a Marketing freight train and that is what keeps it afloat. But sooner or later, it will catch up to them.

They have watered down the talent with too much Expansion.

They have made dynasties a thing of the past with the salary cap.

They have taken away the fans ability to root for any one player for any length of time because eventually he will be on another team.

And now these sky rocketing salaries for, IMO, very average players will make it more difficult for the average fan to buy a ticket.

I am going to my first Cowboys game this year in Dallas. Been to several away games but never to Texas Stadium. I am going as much for the nostagia of what has passed than what is there today.

Eventually, even that will be taken away. The fan has no voice and in the end is the one who takes it in the back-side.

Oh stop being so dramatic. It's not that bad.

About that old time "nostalgic" crap... if you really think a guy like Bob Lilly in his prime had the same amount of athleticism as, say, a guy like Dwight Freeney or another top d-lineman, you're nuts. The league is different, but just because you can't step on somebody's head after the play is over doesn't make the league watered down.

I think that's the root of the issue with the quarterback rules. The players today are so frighteningly athletic that you have to institute some kind of protection to keep those guys on the field.

I don't know if you saw the Texas-Texas A&M game in '06, but the last hit of the game on Colt McCoy is basically what you're begging for. "Take the kitten gloves off the QB and let them play." Making Kellen Heard's hit on McCoy legal would be the next logical step, wouldn't it? Now when an official makes a bad call on a QB interference, everybody (including the announcers) notice it and call it out. That doesn't make it a rule in the NFL - that makes it an exception.

 

[Big Dakota]

Just another league of overpriced, watered-down players who only care about the dollar. It will also go the way of baseball where there is no connection with the fan and the interest will kill it.

Really sad, because Pro football is a great sport.

I really gonna start watching Arena football to see guys play for the love of the game.

It started in the early 90's with FA. I know FA is good for the men that play the game and their fams, who they need to support, but for us fans, it's not so good. I come from a day(the 70's-80's) when the owners truely oWNED the players. I have mixed feelings. I want the players to get what they deserve, but i don't want to see by beloved NFL go to the dogs. I guess i'll just have to live with the fact this isn't the NFL of my youth any longer.

 

[parchy]

And seriously, watch a football player get out of bed on Monday morning and tell me the game "isn't aggressive anymore."

That's so bogus it's funny.

 

[dmq]

I used to watch MLB and the NBA, but don't anymore because I don't support paying guys this kind of money when thety seem to care less about being a team or playing for the fans. Football is a little different. I like the game mucch more and these guy literally put their body on the lines to play. They deserve what they get.

 

[AbeBeta]

Just another league of overpriced, watered-down players who only care about the dollar.

God forbid that the players take money from the ultra rich owners. Better they should get paid crap and "play for the love of the game" - you do know that is just a euphemism for getting exploited, right?

 

[Big Dakota]

God forbid that the players take money from the ultra rich owners. Better they should get paid crap and "play for the love of the game" - you do know that is just a euphemism for getting exploited, right?

I have to agree. As a selfish fan i didn't mind when we drafted a guy back in the day and owned him for his career, but it's not fair. I feared the day FA came to the NFL when i saw what was happening to the NBA and MLB in the late 80's early 90's, but it's only fair.

 

[speedkilz88]

I hate free agency as a fan, but it isn't going to go like baseball. The owners share tv revenue and have a salary cap based of percentages of the money pie. So there isn't going to be small town clubs that can't compete.

I just wish Tags wouldn't have screwed up the cap by letting the 49ers spread the bonus out making it a soft cap instead of a hard one. Jerry warned him but he let them anyway and the 49ers even cheated under the table to boot.

I really wish the nfl would have tried to just give the same percentage of revenues to the nflpa and let them dole out the money to players in lieu of free agency. That way the players would have gotten their money but still would have stayed with their original club. The nflpa then would have the headache of figuring out who got what.

 

[BLT]

when i 1st read the title.. i was like **** the nfl is going to start to suck?

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Oh stop being so dramatic. It's not that bad.

About that old time "nostalgic" crap... if you really think a guy like Bob Lilly in his prime had the same amount of athleticism as, say, a guy like Dwight Freeney or another top d-lineman, you're nuts. The league is different, but just because you can't step on somebody's head after the play is over doesn't make the league watered down.

I think that's the root of the issue with the quarterback rules. The players today are so frighteningly athletic that you have to institute some kind of protection to keep those guys on the field.

I don't know if you saw the Texas-Texas A&M game in '06, but the last hit of the game on Colt McCoy is basically what you're begging for. "Take the kitten gloves off the QB and let them play." Making Kellen Heard's hit on McCoy legal would be the next logical step, wouldn't it? Now when an official makes a bad call on a QB interference, everybody (including the announcers) notice it and call it out. That doesn't make it a rule in the NFL - that makes it an exception.

This proves you know little to nothing about the game. IT's not about being an "Athlete". It's about the GAME. Which is the part you don't seem to get.

Renaldo Nehemia is an Athlete. He sucked playing football. For those of us who actually understand the game, played the game and also coached the game, we know there is more to it than being an "Athlete".

Hitting the QB is part of the game. These pansy rules cost the Giants a game at Tennessee.

As for the "Ultra-Rich" owners, just because they have the money doesn't mean the players should get what they are getting. It has to do with what's happening with the salary cap. It causes a team to be in debt to a player who is not really worth what he is being paid and therefore has prevented teams from putting the very best on the field that they can.

With respect thought to the comparing of Lilly and Freeny, I would say that Lilly was much more important to his team than freeny is, simply because in that era, the guys were much tougher and there were fewer teams and the player pool, was for the most part, a more talent rich pool. (Notice I didn't say "Athletic") You need to understand the difference.

But if you like a watered down, everyone 8-8 league, well, you got it. If you like pansy Qbs and WRs who can't be touched, well, you got it. If you want a one sided type of football where the scores are always in the 30's and 40's, well enjoy. Because you got it.

But before you start thinking that this game is better now than it was in the 70's and before, you need to get educated on football history a bit.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

God forbid that the players take money from the ultra rich owners. Better they should get paid crap and "play for the love of the game" - you do know that is just a euphemism for getting exploited, right?

Honestly, that is why I have a problem. I don't mind players getting paid a fair amount of money and if they get over paid, that's good for them. It's capitalism and I love capitalism. But where i have a problem is the total cumlitive effect that the high (NOT DESERVED) salaries these guys get, the expansion of the league, the total disregard for the fan and the fact that the NFL has changed from a pure sport to one which is designed to satisfy the QBs and WRs, the darlings of the NFL, is having on the game.

I don't mind seeing a guy like Peyton Manning get paid what he's worth, but do you really think that if he played under the same rules that Roger Staubach or Terry Bradshaw or Johhny Unitas played under he would be even in their class?
No way.

And when you say that playing for the love of the game is being exploited, once again you fail to understand what real football players understand. That the game is bigger than the team, and the team is bigger than the player.

We have ego maniacle players who think they have to celebrate a first down with some stupid dance. And guys like Chad Johnson HAS to have some new dance ready for the end zone.

These guys are not players, they are showboats. They want their 20 second clip on ESPN.

Whatever, if you like what we have right now, fine, enjoy it. But I'm telling you from someone who watched the game evolve from the late 60's to now, it's a much worse game.

A better spectacle, but a worse game.

 

[DallasEast]

You can't touch the QB.
You can't touch the WR.
You can't play agressivly any more.

They have watered down the talent with too much Expansion.

They have made dynasties a thing of the past with the salary cap.

I don't agree 100% with everything you've said, but this I do. Preach it.

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[DallasEast]

We have ego maniacle players who think they have to celebrate a first down with some stupid dance. And guys like Chad Johnson HAS to have some new dance ready for the end zone.

You do realize that there will be fans, probably younger ones, who will misconstrue Irvin's first down chop with the "mini-video dance sequences" of today, don't you?

Yet, the game must change in order to survive. I just wish that the newer generation of players respected it more. The act of celebration in pro football isn't a bad thing. When players take their celebration to the depths of what one sees during pro wrestling matches ('pro' wrestling, now THERE'S a misnomer ), it's not a sign of respect for the game or its legacy. It's a literal indictment of apathy for what it means to play for this great institution we call the NFL.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

You do realize that there will be fans, probably younger ones, who will misconstrue Irvin's first down chop with the "mini-video dance sequences" of today, don't you?

Yet, the game must change in order to survive. I just wish that the newer generation of players respected it more. The act of celebration in pro football isn't a bad thing. When players take their celebration to the depths of what one sees during pro wrestling matches ('pro' wrestling, now THERE'S a misnomer ), it's not a sign of respect for the game or its legacy. It's a literal indictment of apathy for what it means to play for this great institution we call the NFL.

You are right. The thing with Irvin was he didn't do it EVERY time he made a first down. But that said, I don't mind the emotion at all and I like a "Little" celebration but as you said the depth of that celebration is what bothers me.

I don't remember Walter Payton doing any of that stuff.