The Norv Turner Echo Chamber

[sonnyboy]

I guess I know why Phillips make sense.
He'd certainly fix the defense. He'd allow Garrett to handle the offense.
Problem is with trust. I think he'd feel like an outsider. Knowing that Garrett is the coach to be.

With Turner, I think you'd have more trust. He knows Jerry. I believe he will trust him.
He and Garrrett will be working together on the offensive side. He'll be in a much better position to mentor Garrett.

 

[LatinMind]

Ryan and Rivera have proven track records. We know they can produce at the coordinator position. They're both obvious HC candidates, whereas Garrett is a question mark even at the coordinator position. If we don't get one of them this year, someone will next.

Most likely Garrett isn't a wonderkid. Planning the future of the franchise around that big "if" is nonsense.

Phillips over Turner is an easy one. He's had success at HC where Turner hasn't. He's been more successful as a coordinator than Turner has been as well. Outside of Dallas, Turner hasn't produced either at the OC or HC positions.

rivera and ryan are successful, yes, but werent these teams already great defenses before either of them were even involved? thats not a track record thats being there at the right place at the right time.

 

[LatinMind]

:bang2:

lol notice what i did to qualified

 

[theogt]

like who? and why are they better because u say so? everybody has their own opinion, but only jerry knows what he wants and who u feels is the best person for the job. and alot of "qualified" media people feel the same way about norv.

People are unhappy because they believe there are better candidates.

Really, did you even need to post what you said? There are idiots out there that think that Quincy Carter is better than Romo.

 

[theogt]

rivera and ryan are successful, yes, but werent these teams already great defenses before either of them were even involved? thats not a track record thats being there at the right place at the right time.

The Bears defense wasn't great before Rivera. The Ravens defense has been good since Ryan was on staff, and has improved since he's become DC.

Both have obvious track records.

 

[LatinMind]

People are unhappy because they believe there are better candidates.

Really, did you even need to post what you said? There are idiots out there that think that Quincy Carter is better than Romo.

lol im a quincy guy, but i woudnt even say that. i respect peoples opinions on norv and they have reason to think because he had failure, well he could have ti here. but i think with jerry norv would have trust, and he could get this offense up and going. i go back to last yr. when the offense was running smooth on gameday, dallas defense ran smooth. it wasnt until dallas OL started getting wore down late in the yr that dallas defense started to fall. why? because dallas had so many 3 and outs. that saints gae was a prime example.

 

[theogt]

lol im a quincy guy, but i woudnt even say that. i respect peoples opinions on norv and they have reason to think because he had failure, well he could have ti here. but i think with jerry norv would have trust, and he could get this offense up and going. i go back to last yr. when the offense was running smooth on gameday, dallas defense ran smooth. it wasnt until dallas OL started getting wore down late in the yr that dallas defense started to fall. why? because dallas had so many 3 and outs. that saints gae was a prime example.

Intersting thought on the O-line. It was Parcells's opinion that the O-line played better as the year wore on. I don't really have an opinion on the subject, but I know they weren't spectacular all season, regardless of whether they were improving or regressing.

 

[sonnyboy]

Ryan and Rivera have proven track records. We know they can produce at the coordinator position. They're both obvious HC candidates, whereas Garrett is a question mark even at the coordinator position. If we don't get one of them this year, someone will next.

Most likely Garrett isn't a wonderkid. Planning the future of the franchise around that big "if" is nonsense.

Phillips over Turner is an easy one. He's had success at HC where Turner hasn't. He's been more successful as a coordinator than Turner has been as well. Outside of Dallas, Turner hasn't produced either at the OC or HC positions.

Proven records at coordinator are no clear indicator of success at HC. I'm not up on Ryan's bio, but I know Rivera been DC for only three years. LB coach in Philly for three years before that.

This is all speculation, but Garrett's grown on me. There's a good history with career back-up QB's succeeding in coaching.
I'm not talking about the marginal starter that bounces around looking and competing for a starting job.
I'm talking about the career back-up. This guy has a whole different mind set. He is a coach on the field. It has been a great training ground for future coaches.

Not so sure Turner and Philips careers can be so easily compared.
Philips had a couple of interim positions and he took over two established playoff teams. Hence his good record.
Turner took two total rebuilding projects. And failed.

 

[LatinMind]

Intersting thought on the O-line. It was Parcells's opinion that the O-line played better as the year wore on. I don't really have an opinion on the subject, but I know they weren't spectacular all season, regardless of whether they were improving or regressing.

i'd like to see proof parcells said that lol. that would be amazing to me. but this Ol stunk at the end of the yr. flo was getting beat every time fasano wasnt there to babysit him, rivera was bad all yr, gurode was being push back because of the lack of capable guards. kosier was decent, but he's not strong enough. he's more suited for a zone blocking scheme. maybe thats something dallas will look into. me i think the only thing consistent this yr was the progress of colombo. so consistent that by the end of the yr fasano was playing most of the time on the left side. his best game IMO was when he destroyed mathis from the colts one on one basically the whole game.

me personally i'd like to see a whole new left side of the Ol and move kosier over to the right side

 

[InmanRoshi]

Its not even worth the effort. He'll be fired after next year anyway.

 

[theogt]

Proven records at coordinator are no clear indicator of success at HC. I'm not up on Ryan's bio, but I know Rivera been DC for only three years. LB coach in Philly for three years before that.

This is all speculation, but Garrett's grown on me. There's a good history with career back-up QB's succeeding in coaching.
I'm not talking about the marginal starter that bounces around looking and competing for a starting job.
I'm talking about the career back-up. This guy has a whole different mind set. He is a coach on the field. It has been a great training ground for future coaches.

I understand that proven records at coordinator are no clear indicator of success, but you asked why Ryan and Rivera were better HC candidates than Garrett and I told you why.

Don't get me wrong about Garrett. I think he's a wonderful hire as OC. Can't wait to see how his mind works on the field.

Not so sure Turner and Philips careers can be so easily compared.
Philips had a couple of interim positions and he took over two established playoff teams. Hence his good record.
Turner took two total rebuilding projects. And failed.

Turner and Phillips's careers are strikingly similar, actually. If you're going to compare two HC candidates, that's as close to comparing apples with apples as you're going to get.

 

[StylisticS]

i proudly join the wagon.

 

[MarkBrunell]

Garrett does not lack moxie or leadership abilities, so I doubt that Norv would be tasked to bring him along in those areas, but instead to round out where he is inexperienced. Norv has always been great at teaching to intelligent people. His offenses can be downright scary when the right personnel is in place (TO/Glenn/Witten will fit his scheme perfectly and he can possibly revive Julius after Parcells ruined him). He is great with Quarterbacks and will help Romo to the next level. He is perfect to round out Garrett's inexperience.

Isn't it somewhat ironic that someone named Mark Brunell is preaching about complete failures?

I get your point. Makes sense. Do you consider grooming a HC (Garrett in this instance) worth one or two possibly bad seasons?

and btw Mark Brunell enjoyed a very good NFL career. Don't see how hes a failure when he only had 1 bad season in his entire career which was due to physical limitations.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I get your point. Makes sense. Do you consider grooming a HC (Garrett in this instance) worth one or two possibly bad seasons?

and btw Mark Brunell enjoyed a very good NFL career. Don't see how hes a failure when he only had 1 bad season in his entire career which was due to physical limitations.

you didn't think '04 was a bad year? Norv Turner does

'yeah, I agree w/ summerisfunner! he so smart, me so dumb'

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I think it's safe to say if Jerry was floating a trial balloon on this Norv idea, it crashed pretty quickly as it floated above Cowboy Nation.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

I get your point. Makes sense. Do you consider grooming a HC (Garrett in this instance) worth one or two possibly bad seasons?

and btw Mark Brunell enjoyed a very good NFL career. Don't see how hes a failure when he only had 1 bad season in his entire career which was due to physical limitations.

The Garrett move appears to be a done deal, so I am just hoping for the best person to round out his skill set. I think Norv is better for that than Phillips. I don't belive we will be bad in 07, just possibly the same as last year. If we get a good Defensive Coordinator, then we could do better.

Brunell was okay in 2005 and stunk in 2006. The only time they consistantly won with him was when they asked him not to lose games, ran the football and freed up Moss for an occassional long ball. Injury aside, he was pretty bad in his last years in J-Ville and was shown the door for it. Didn't like the way Gibbs did Ramsey, so I was pretty happy to see it (not that I care about Commander QB success, but Ramsey got a raw deal). They should have gone to Campbell sooner, but for some reason Gibbs just stubbornly stuck with a guy who had just lost it. Yes, I admit that Brunell was good in his first five years in J-Ville, so I will give you that.

 

[sonnyboy]

i'd like to see proof parcells said that lol. that would be amazing to me. but this Ol stunk at the end of the yr. flo was getting beat every time fasano wasnt there to babysit him, rivera was bad all yr, gurode was being push back because of the lack of capable guards. kosier was decent, but he's not strong enough. he's more suited for a zone blocking scheme. maybe thats something dallas will look into. me i think the only thing consistent this yr was the progress of colombo. so consistent that by the end of the yr fasano was playing most of the time on the left side. his best game IMO was when he destroyed mathis from the colts one on one basically the whole game.

me personally i'd like to see a whole new left side of the Ol and move kosier over to the right side

What I believe Parcells actually said was that the OL played better as the year went on because of Romo's mobility and overall superior play then Bledsoe.

I'm convinced that OL is our weakest link. I am happy with Adams and Columbo. I do think they got better over the year.
There is a logical reason to believe that both players can and should improve in 2007.
The knee was obviously a problem for Adams. It should not be next year. He has his flaws but at times has been an excellent player. I want him at left OT next year.
Columbo progess was severly hampered by a serious injury for 2-3 years. It's why this former 1st rd pk was availible. Parcels said he is now fully recovered and can really hit the weight room this off season for the first time in 3-4 years. I feel good with him at right OT next year.

I think the run blocking was the real weak spot. OG's fule the run game. We really need two new starters here.
Down the stretch it appeared to me that teams were more committed to stoping Romo and our passing game.
Seattle game is a perfect example. Our run game let us down.

Upgrading at OG is the single best thing we can do to help the run game. It will also upgrade Romo's protection. Improved run game will also take pressure off Romo.

 

[Alexander]

:bang2:

Galloway endorses Turner.

If that doesn't make anyone go in the complete opposition direction, nothing will.

 

[theogt]

i'd like to see proof parcells said that lol. that would be amazing to me. but this Ol stunk at the end of the yr. flo was getting beat every time fasano wasnt there to babysit him, rivera was bad all yr, gurode was being push back because of the lack of capable guards. kosier was decent, but he's not strong enough. he's more suited for a zone blocking scheme. maybe thats something dallas will look into. me i think the only thing consistent this yr was the progress of colombo. so consistent that by the end of the yr fasano was playing most of the time on the left side. his best game IMO was when he destroyed mathis from the colts one on one basically the whole game.

me personally i'd like to see a whole new left side of the Ol and move kosier over to the right side

It was in his interview with WFAN I believe.

 

[DLCassidy]

Galloway endorses Turner.

If that doesn't make anyone go in the complete opposition direction, nothing will.