The NYG free agency model

[MRV52]

$200 Million to get a A-SS whooping from the Packers.

 

[JoeKing]

Yes they could and it's been shown exactly how in multiple threads. The Giants only spent 10 million more on defense last year than the Cowboys did. They would be in an even better place the following year after signing players like the Giants did because they won't be paying a 25 million per year contract to their QB. Stop spreading false narratives around to people. If you want to argue the Cowboys won't, then fine. Nobody can really argue otherwise. Stop telling people they can't do something that has been proven over and over.

Total Cap Allocations $165 million
Cowboys 2017 Offense Expenditures
Quarterbacks $25,800,848
Wide Receivers $23,703,334
Running Backs $8,274,395
Tight Ends $16,820,683
Offensive Line $28,257,808

The Cowboy's offense alone takes up way more than half of their salary cap. You can not fit the Giants defense expenditures under the remaining cap space.

 

[AzorAhai]

Total Cap Allocations $165 million
Cowboys 2017 Offense Expenditures
Quarterbacks $25,800,848
Wide Receivers $23,703,334
Running Backs $8,274,395
Tight Ends $16,820,683
Offensive Line $28,257,808

The Cowboy's offense alone takes up way more than half of their salary cap. You can not fit the Giants defense expenditures under the remaining cap space.

Yes, because you typing out what their current obligations are makes what you say true. Those numbers can all be adjusted and I know you're aware of it. Last week the OL was a lot higher, but that doesn't suit this narrative of yours does it? I'm not going to debate you on a well proven point. You're wrong. You can't be anymore wrong. And you're never going to admit you are wrong. Hopefully the posters here see through this sham of knowledge you portray yourself as having.

 

[Nightman]

they timed their spending spree with the additions of Landon Collins, JPP, Eli Apple and DRC

If DAL adds CJones/MIngram, EBerry, Obouye to youngins Jaylon Smith, Byron Jones, Arthur Brown, DIrving and MCollins and vets like SLee, TCrawford and DLaw we might improve bigly like NYG

 

[jujoboys]

What if Dallas improved to 3.06 points per drive (where No. 1 Atlanta was this season). Wouldn't that be lights out, too?

That would be great, too. However, I still want the defense to get better because if the defense decreases points per a drive it probably means the other offense is not taking as much time off the clock so we get more drives on offense. In that scenario our points per drive on offense could stay the same but we would still be scoring more points because we get more opportunities. We need our defense to get better because their will be times when our offense struggles and the defense needs to keep us in the game. Example: The first quarter and a half of the playoff game against GB. We are down 21-3. If our defense would have been better then it may not have taken the entire game to dig out of the hole.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

That would be great, too. However, I still want the defense to get better because if the defense decreases points per a drive it probably means the other offense is not taking as much time off the clock so we get more drives on offense. In that scenario our points per drive on offense could stay the same but we would still be scoring more points because we get more opportunities. We need our defense to get better because their will be times when our offense struggles and the defense needs to keep us in the game. Example: The first quarter and a half of the playoff game against GB. We are down 21-3. If our defense would have been better then it may not have taken the entire game to dig out of the hole.

I agree with you, I want to see the defense improve. But to play devil's advocate, if the offense is better they don't go down 21-3. There's a chance it's 21-10 or maybe a drive lasts longer resulting in a score and it's actually 14-10. Then Dallas wins that game.

 

[JoeKing]

Yes, because you typing out what their current obligations are makes what you say true. Those numbers can all be adjusted and I know you're aware of it. Last week the OL was a lot higher, but that doesn't suit this narrative of yours does it? I'm not going to debate you on a well proven point. You're wrong. You can't be anymore wrong. And you're never going to admit you are wrong. Hopefully the posters here see through this sham of knowledge you portray yourself as having.

LOL, adjust away straw man. You'll never get all that talent to agree to a salary under the cap.

 

[percyhoward]

What if Dallas improved to 3.06 points per drive (where No. 1 Atlanta was this season). Wouldn't that be lights out, too?

It got them all the way to the Super Bowl, where they scored 21 points -- 13 below their average -- against the NFL's #1 defense in points allowed per drive. Atlanta, New Orleans, Green Bay, and Dallas all averaged more points per drive than the Super Bowl champs. What separated the Patriots from those other teams was their defense.

points per drive
Atl off 1 def 27
NO off 2 def 32
GB off 3 def 28
Dal off 4 def 13
NE off 5 def 1

In theory, your offense could be so elite that it wouldn't matter how bad your defense was. In practice, no team with an elite offense ever won a Super Bowl playing bad defense.

 

[JoeKing]

they timed their spending spree with the additions of Landon Collins, JPP, Eli Apple and DRC

If DAL adds CJones/MIngram, EBerry, Obouye to youngins Jaylon Smith, Byron Jones, Arthur Brown, DIrving and MCollins and vets like SLee, TCrawford and DLaw we might improve bigly like NYG

I like it. Bigly!

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

LOL, adjust away straw man. You'll never get all that talent to agree to a salary under the cap.

The Giants paid $71.5 million in 2016 to their defense. By restructuring Dez, we could afford to pay our defense that much in 2017.

 

[JoeKing]

The Giants paid $71.5 million in 2016 to their defense. By restructuring Dez, we could afford to pay our defense that much in 2017.

After taking a look at the Giants expenses, I can see the validity in your statement. Thank you.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

It got them all the way to the Super Bowl, where they scored 21 points -- 13 below their average -- against the NFL's #1 defense in points allowed per drive. Atlanta, New Orleans, Green Bay, and Dallas all averaged more points per drive than the Super Bowl champs. What separated the Patriots from those other teams was their defense.

points per drive
Atl off 1 def 27
NO off 2 def 32
GB off 3 def 28
Dal off 4 def 13
NE off 5 def 1

In theory, your offense could be so elite that it wouldn't matter how bad your defense was. In practice, no team with an elite offense ever won a Super Bowl playing bad defense.

Ever? That's not true. The 2012 Baltimore defense was just as mediocre as Dallas this season (17th in yards allowed, 12th in points allowed). The 2006 Colts had a bad defense (23rd in points allowed, 21st in yards allowed). The 2014 Patriots defense was statistically similar to Dallas this season. And let's not pretend the defense was the reason they beat Atlanta this season. Coaching was the difference in that game.

 

[DandyDon52]

This is like comparing apples to oranges. Dallas' defense was helped immensely by the offense and the running game. The Giants' offense was pretty bad all year long. Our offense basically saved our defenses bacon. Our offense scored 26.3 points per game while NY's offense only scored 19.4 points per game. NY"s defense carried their team while Dallas' offense carried their team. A better stat to look at would be points per drive. Dallas' defense ranked #12 giving up 1.89 points per drive while NYG's defense ranked #2 giving up 1.43 points per drive (only 2nd to NE's 1.42 points per drive). Offensively Dallas ranked #4 in points per drive scoring 2.54 points per drive while the NYG's offense ranked #27 in points per drive scoring 1.56 points per drive.

The NYG's opponents had 194 offensive drives/chances to score points while Dallas' opponents only had 166 offensive drives/ chances to score points. If Dallas can do something to really improve their defense this year then it could be lights out on our opponents. We have a chance to do something special if we can do whatever it takes (within reason) to improve our defense.

Good stats to look at , I like the bolded one best, this was the result of long time consuming drives and keeping the clock moving.
Less chances to score for both dallas and other teams. shorten the game, that way your defense wont get tired out late in game.

 

[percyhoward]

Ever? That's not true. The 2012 Baltimore defense was just as mediocre as Dallas this season (17th in yards allowed, 12th in points allowed). The 2006 Colts had a bad defense (23rd in points allowed, 21st in yards allowed). The 2014 Patriots defense was statistically similar to Dallas this season. And let's not pretend the defense was the reason they beat Atlanta this season. Coaching was the difference in that game.

Let's not pretend coaching doesn't affect the quality of your defense. The Patriots' #1 ranking doesn't mean they had the most defensive talent in 2016, it just means that they played the best defense.

And neither the '12 Ravens, '06 Colts, nor the '14 Patriots are examples of teams with elite offenses that won Super Bowls playing bad defense.

Postseason Defense, PPG allowed (NFL reg season avg)
'06 Colts 11.0 (20.7)
'12 Ravens 18.5 (22.8)
'14 Patriots 20.7 (22.6)

A team can get through the regular season with a bad defense. Surviving in the playoffs is another matter.

 

[cowboy_ron]

success in free agency to the magnatude they experienced last year is more the exception than the rule.

If you want to see consistant free agency failure just look at the eagles and the Skins.

Trying to build a team with free agents is like trying to build a house from the roof down.

 

[gimmesix]

The Giants defense and the Cowboys offense probably results in a SB berth.

I would think so, but I didn't want to take it that far since the Packers were able to beat up on the Giants defense, too. Of course, again the Giants' offense made it tough on that defense to hold up.

 

[DandyDon52]

FA is about getting the right guys at the right time, and also for the near future.
If a team gets the wrong players, or positions at wrong times, it wont help.

 

[DandyDon52]

the giants expected their offense to be better than it was, but since McAdoo arrived the giants offense has been erratic and overall
not very good.

 

[jterrell]

Obviously you are going to have to show me more than year 1 when cap hits are most marginalized to indicate what NYG even worked at all.

Obviously Dallas replied on the draft and has arguably the best young offense in football.
Call me crazy but I'd like to see us do the same on defense.

The salary cap prevents you from getting everything you want. And letting guys walk in free agency grants you even more draft picks making the hitting on draftees even more important.

 

[jterrell]

the giants expected their offense to be better than it was, but since McAdoo arrived the giants offense has been erratic and overall
not very good.

And therein lies the biggest rub with FA commitments.
You are making large financial commitments based on assumptions both about the player and the team.
There's a reason that method fails about 90% of the time.